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basic hitler posted:Why is this war of injustice taking place, to you, in television and movie casting? There are so many places where class struggle actually matters compared to the creative output of bourgeois american and japanese media enterprises. Also, It would be loving impossible to enjoy movies if i thought like you apparently do every time i queued something on netflix or went to the theater. maybe thats because youre a different person
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basic hitler posted:Why is this war of injustice taking place, to you, in television and movie casting?There are so many places where class struggle actually matters compared to the creative output of bourgeois american and japanese media enterprises. Also, It would be loving impossible to enjoy movies if i thought like you apparently do every time i queued something on netflix or went to the theater. A) You misunderstood his post. Casting in individual movies is fairly unimportant. The question is how you read that casting. The whitewashing meme is deployed as an alternative to literacy. B) We enjoy movies more than you do.
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basic hitler posted:Why is this war of injustice taking place, to you, in television and movie casting? There are so many places where class struggle actually matters compared to the creative output of bourgeois american and japanese media enterprises. I have specifically written against using casting diversity as a barometer of social and economic progress, and that North American and Japanese capitalists are allied against the interests of social justice. The "war of injustice" is not taking place on TV, but everywhere, which is why it's imperative to not succumb to cynical thoughts like how we compartmentalize class struggle to where it "actually matters," or that if I worry too much about ideology I won't enjoy consumption as much.
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parallelodad posted:Got news for you, K Waste, all cultural exchanges are capital exchanges and always have been. That's idiotic. Many past societies didn't even have a concept of market exchange
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K. Waste posted:The problem is that "diversity is good," while true, is not an adequate enough stance against the intersecting forces of injustice. If the Power Rangers are a hodgepodge of different social groups that come together in solidarity, there is still the issue of what the Rangers stand for. Same with the Avengers and Justice League. Same with the Toretto clan. I mean, the Toretto clan stands for "gently caress rich people, let's take their poo poo and drink Coronas and drive fast cars" which is Rad
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AngryBooch posted:This movie is seriously about a troubled genius 11 year old boy dying but leaving his mother detailed plans on a tape recorder and journal about how to assassinate the cop next door who is abusing his step-daughter. That old trope. It's hard to make "Encyclopedia Brown meets Straw Dogs" look boring but somehow it's doing it. I don't know if it's the hackiest Hollywood version of smart kid dialogue possible or the flat super sanitized directing or the fact that so much of the cast is comedians that it already feels like an SNL parody or what.
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K. Waste posted:The problem is that "diversity is good," while true, is not an adequate enough stance against the intersecting forces of injustice. If the Power Rangers are a hodgepodge of different social groups that come together in solidarity, there is still the issue of what the Rangers stand for. Same with the Avengers and Justice League. Same with the Toretto clan. In this particular film it's obviously the power of friendship and learning to accept oneself and each other vs... vs I'm not actually sure what Rita's deal is. Seeking power for it's own sake? Zordon actually literally lays out their ideology in the film as three rules. 1) never use your power for personal gain 2) never escalate a confrontation unless forced to 3) never reveal your identity for any reason (eg don't take credit). So take off that what you will John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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DeimosRising posted:That's idiotic. Many past societies didn't even have a concept of market exchange I don't believe there has ever been any society that hadn't discovered bartering. Even lower primates do it.
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we need an actual, unironic Captain Planet movie. and have all the kids be from third world countries that have been done dirty by American capitalists. With the shock twist that the friendly tech billionaire that has been helping them the whole movie has commodified the Captain Planet image, and there's nothing they can do about it. The film ends on a shot of a wrecked tanker ship, and a mass of floating Captain Planet merchandise.
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Spatula City posted:we need an actual, unironic Captain Planet movie. and have all the kids be from third world countries that have been done dirty by American capitalists. With the shock twist that the friendly tech billionaire that has been helping them the whole movie has commodified the Captain Planet image, and there's nothing they can do about it. The film ends on a shot of a wrecked tanker ship, and a mass of floating Captain Planet merchandise. Yes, a non satiric version of pootie tang would be interesting. Nobody would front the cash to make it though :/ https://youtu.be/WSIS3ZUDzzY parallelodad posted:I don't believe there has ever been any society that hadn't discovered bartering. Even lower primates do it. https://youtu.be/ShTpcEoM4Cs
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Spatula City posted:we need an actual, unironic Captain Planet movie. and have all the kids be from third world countries that have been done dirty by American capitalists. With the shock twist that the friendly tech billionaire that has been helping them the whole movie has commodified the Captain Planet image, and there's nothing they can do about it. The film ends on a shot of a wrecked tanker ship, and a mass of floating Captain Planet merchandise. Legitimately amazing idea. As long as the merch is the same as what will be in stores ala Jurassic Park. edit: actually, keep the American guy but make him a clueless condescending jerk contestants America-splaining everything to all the other members feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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On the "friendly tech billionaire" front, the villain of Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 2 could not more obviously be Steve Jobs unless they used his name.
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Remember that Bond villian that was equal parts Steve Jobs and Rupert Murdoch.
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parallelodad posted:I don't believe there has ever been any society that hadn't discovered bartering. Even lower primates do it. Then it kind of becomes to broad a topic to be worth discussing.
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Snooze Cruise posted:Remember that Bond villian that was equal parts Steve Jobs and Rupert Murdoch. No, that was just a different guy with glasses, a turtleneck and a media empire. No relation.
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Spatula City posted:we need an actual, unironic Captain Planet movie. and have all the kids be from third world countries that have been done dirty by American capitalists. With the shock twist that the friendly tech billionaire that has been helping them the whole movie has commodified the Captain Planet image, and there's nothing they can do about it. The film ends on a shot of a wrecked tanker ship, and a mass of floating Captain Planet merchandise. The final scene of the movie has to be one of those Facebook marketing videos with the sliding text and feel good music talking about how the friendly tech guy discovered Captain Planet and thanks to him the villains were stopped.
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Just from the perspective of studying media, it's been interesting watching Steve Jobs' posthumous... not really fall from grace, but lessening in stature. I mean, the fact that one of the go to villains for an action movie or a thriller is a guy in a black turtleneck seems to make it pretty obvious. And the guy in Tomorrow Never Dies was pure Murdoch all the way.
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Nucleic Acids posted:Just from the perspective of studying media, it's been interesting watching Steve Jobs' posthumous... not really fall from grace, but lessening in stature. I mean, the fact that one of the go to villains for an action movie or a thriller is a guy in a black turtleneck seems to make it pretty obvious. People are finally starting to get that Silicon Valley is full of evil assholes.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:People are finally starting to get that Silicon Valley is full of evil assholes. Tomorrow Never Dies figured this out in the nineties. And A View to a Kill in the 80s.
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Lobok posted:On the "friendly tech billionaire" front, the villain of Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 2 could not more obviously be Steve Jobs unless they used his name. Yeah, that movie wasn't quite as surprisingly well-written or funny as the first but I did love that the way the villain and the evil megacorp satirized flashy feel-good Silicon Valley neoliberalism. Also that the movie was surprisingly subversive in that the entire movie is about how its evil to kill living things just because they are made of food...only it's cute anthropomorphic dishes and not, you know, actual animals so the message probably went over a lot of parents' heads.
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I was pretty surprised halfway through the movie. "Is this big Hollywood movie just one giant ad for... vegetarianism?" Wasn't against it, though.
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I'm sure there have been Richard Branson-esque villains in movies before.
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Smugness is also an easy shorthand for villainy a lot of the time
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Hat Thoughts posted:Smugness is also an easy shorthand for villainy a lot of the time Hmm, or so I'd have you think. 
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'm sure there have been Richard Branson-esque villains in movies before. Are we 10 years away from the next Bond villain being a TechBro? Lex Luthor was already an autistic SV CEO type...
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:A) You misunderstood his post. Casting in individual movies is fairly unimportant. The question is how you read that casting. It's notable because if even the roles that are based on characters that are Asian to start with aren't open to people of Asian decent, what the Hell chance do they have of getting a lead role that wasn't written with a particular race in mind? It's not the most important thing but it's sort of a visible thing- it's the most visible symptom. Basically it's hard enough to prove racial discrimination in employment in other fields which are under more scrutiny, because it's always possible for an HR guy to say "what can I say, they interviewed poorly", but Hollywood has always enjoyed more of an exemption on the grounds of subjectivity and creative integrity and so on. So when you have, in plain view, studios saying "We know this character was non-white originally but minorities just aren't profitable"- well that's a sign. It's not a "barometer of progress" but that doesn't mean nothing should be done about it. Unless you're one of those who believes it's impossible to care about more than one thing at a time.
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I'm doubtful that anyone who isn't already convinced by the overwhelming whiteness of Hollywood productions is going to be unable to find an excuse for Ghost in the Shell. So I doubt there's any particular value in complaining about white washing as a communication strategy.
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Sir Kodiak posted:I'm doubtful that anyone who isn't already convinced by the overwhelming whiteness of Hollywood productions is going to be unable to find an excuse for Ghost in the Shell. So I doubt there's any particular value in complaining about white washing as a communication strategy. Hell there are people in this thread who are buying into the in universe excuse. Some just can't be reached
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CharlestheHammer posted:Hell there are people in this thread who are buying into the in universe excuse. Exactly. Whether or not it's accurate, it's hard to justify hammering on Ghost in the Shell for white washing as being part of some anti-racism strategy.
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parallelodad posted:I don't believe there has ever been any society that hadn't discovered bartering. Even lower primates do it. To quote Engels: "Darwin did not know what a bitter satire he wrote on mankind, and especially on his countrymen, when he showed that free competition, the struggle for existence, which the economists celebrate as the highest historical achievement, is the normal state of the animal kingdom." HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:People are finally starting to get that Silicon Valley is full of evil assholes. But people keep acting like Elon Musk is some visionary and every stoned ramble he makes about nuking Mars or living in the Matrix has to be seriously dissected and analyzed as if there's anything more valid to it than the conspiracy theories of a Coast to Coast AM guest.
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Maxwell Lord posted:It's notable because if even the roles that are based on characters that are Asian to start with aren't open to people of Asian decent, what the Hell chance do they have of getting a lead role that wasn't written with a particular race in mind? It's not the most important thing but it's sort of a visible thing- it's the most visible symptom. Right, so the enemy has been identified as Dreamworks Pictures - which is owned by Amblin Partners and, in turn, co-owned by NBCUniversal, EOne, and several others. And the solution is obvious: we must destroy these companies. Cleanse the Earth of them. Burn them to the ground. At this point the question becomes: what excuse do you have for not doing the obvious?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right, so the enemy has been identified as Dreamworks Pictures - which is owned by Amblin Partners and, in turn, co-owned by NBCUniversal, EOne, and several others. What excuse do you have? I don't see you fighting the power. (Yeah, yeah, bot programmed to speak the truth, we've all got excuses.)
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Maxwell Lord posted:What excuse do you have? I don't see you fighting the power. I think he is trying to make a point using hyperbole. It's just kind of clumsy and nonsensical but what else is new
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Maxwell Lord posted:What excuse do you have? I don't see you fighting the power. You should already know that I have an even better solution: full communism now. You should already know that I have been engaged in ideological critique. I can imagine movies - even 'big-budget' movies - without capitalism. We do not need capitalism to have movies, studios, etc.
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Maxwell Lord posted:What excuse do you have? I don't see you fighting the power. SMG is secretly PissPigGranddad and has spent the last several months killing ISIS fighters in the name of establishing a new socialist democracy in the middle east
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Whitewashing as a cultural imperialistic practice goes back centuries and centuries and has been massively influential on almost all US social and political and religious foundations since the country's inception, what with stuff like "Jesus was white and he spoke English" and Manifest Destiny and all the rest. It's not like we can ask them to go cold turkey now that we've pointed out the practice to them.  parallelodad posted:Some of the seasons are more or less direct translations, like Time ranger and Time Force, Gekiranger and Jungle Fury, Dekaranger and SPD, or Samurai and whatever it was adapted from I forget, but some are so completely different as to not be in any way the same product, like season 2 or RPM or In Space or Lost Galaxy. parallelodad posted:Yes, it's far more than Saban simply buying footage from Toei. Since close to the beginning it has been a collaborative work between both companies, helping each other with design, commissioning new footage, helping promote specific toys either company wants to sell, trading stunt directors and so forth. There's also the broader context that it had been standard practice since almost the invention of TV to licence foreign series and redub & edit them to make them more palatable for domestic audiences. In the early 1960s there were Japanese series like Astro Boy, Prince Planet and Gigantor and French series like The Magic Roundabout which got adapted for foreign audiences, often ending up with wildly different plots after the foreign editors were finished mangling them. The same thing was happening all over the rest of Asia, Europe and the Middle East as well, with shows like Kimba the White Lion being adapted for pretty much any country where TV was available. It'd actually be pretty interesting to go back and examine the (to pick two random examples) Saudi and Iranian versions of Japanese cartoons like Kimba as cross-cultural artifacts. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You should already know that I have an even better solution: full communism now. You should already know that I have been engaged in ideological critique. So what are you doing to bring that about?
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Maxwell Lord posted:So what are you doing to bring that about? I'd do more if the FBI didnt exist :shh:
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