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FuzzySkinner posted:I completely understand if someone who's black, lgbt, or something of that note has objections to the rural white, working class. I can't blame them for them that. This also separates them from ever really seeing the effects of institutional racism and insulating them from having friends that suffer from personal racism. They will also be the first to challenge bringing socially/economically progressive issues to bear. Stuff like enforcing anti-discriminatory employment law, raising the minimum wage, and funding the government institutions that actually help with those things. They will not directly oppose it but simply say it is not feasible because of those nasty racists on the other side (certainly not their own circles, of course. Heaven forbid they integrate schools in my area though. My children need the best future). They can be as lovely as can be because they can lay it all on the bad guys™. For all of this talk about racists would rather die in seething poverty than see someone else get something nice excuses the mechanisms at play. One side encourages it and the other depends on it to avoid doing anything. Also can I get a small fry but just take the top off the frostie and dump those fuckers on there.
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wizard on a water slide posted:honestly I think they'll box themselves out as the boomer politicians who founded their movement continue to retire and die No. Stop. Demographics are not destiny. Do not persist in the notion that by sitting back and doing nothing things will change for the better. Fight for your goals or you'll end up as surprised as you were on Nov 9 over and over again.
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The idea of poor whites all being racist is more of a meme/propaganda than anything. Obviously there's aggressively malicious douchebags, but it's not as if you don't find them in the affluent either. Trump won a lot of very well off people, after all. Besides, poverty isn't simply a case of 'normal but with less money'. It affects everything you do, how you perceive the world. When everything you have in life is guaranteed to you, when you don't have a care in the world, obviously you're not going to get anxious over anything dumb. Basically, take away a woke's trust fund, and you'll find that they're a lot less 'righteous' than they say they are. The only reason white liberals don't treat minorities the same way they do poor whites, is basically nothing but white guilt. The instant they stop feeling guilty, minorities are going to get exactly the same treatment that rednecks get now - indifference.
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rudatron posted:The only reason white liberals don't treat minorities the same way they do poor whites, is basically nothing but white guilt. The instant they stop feeling guilty, minorities are going to get exactly the same treatment that rednecks get now - indifference. its cool when you tell a white hillperson their abuela is poo poo and get a short, gleeful fanfic of how you will deservedly perish in trump's MAGA camps, i tell you hwat
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I think part of the error is how racism, or prejudice in general, is seen, as a kind of moral failing, rather than something more akin to a phobia, or other conditioned responses. If you're an out-and-out racists, you're rationalizing that phobia with stupid excuses, because it's easier to do that than confront the problem - but the root cause is the conditioned response. Like, in the model of prejudice as a moral failing, being 'progressive' is just another rung on the ladder of social respectability. Like conspicuous consumption, by adopting the particular jargon of social justice, you're signalling to others how desirable you are. And who has the free time, and the access to resources, necessary for learning that jargon, more than the already well off? Naturally, you have to keep raising the bar, to keep the riff-raff out, by inventing ever more intricate terms - mansplaining, manspreading, etc etc - but that's not hard. Problem is, that doesn't actually do anything, and in particular it doesn't do anything if that model is wrong. Because if the correct model is of just another conditioned response, not a lack of virtue, the only real way to treat that is exposure ('systematic desensitization'). Living in rich gated communities, or affluent neighborhoods, isn't going to do that, like, ever. It doesn't matter how many PC pamphlets you read, that's not really going to change anything.
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The Brown Menace posted:its cool when you tell a white hillperson their abuela is poo poo and get a short, gleeful fanfic of how you will deservedly perish in trump's MAGA camps, i tell you hwat I mean statistically speaking, Clinton won non-whites, Trump won whites, Sanders lost his primary because he lost non-whites. That's the data. There's a massive racial element during the entire 2016 election that's worse than anything under Obama. But you've got to be careful with data like that, because when it comes to human beings, nothing is ever as simple as a=b.
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I at least partially blame the adoption of the definition of systemic racism (ie. R=P+P) as the definition of racism as such. I mean it's a trope now for some aspiring do-gooder to say "yeah, sure, such-and-such is the real racist  " and well maybe they're not the "real" racist in the sense that their behavior vindicates David Duke but, inasmuch as they're trafficking in the same essentialisms and stereotypes as a white supremacist, then yeah, they're racist. And that's true regardless of their skin color or their intentions.
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mysterious frankie posted:now you're trying to diminish my life experiences lol, I did no such thing, and honestly this could be the weakest burn anyone could make
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Any mods around, please probate me if I keep replying to this jag, or bring up guns on my own in this thread. I'm easy to provoke on this subject, they have a bone to pick apparently and I'm not buying plat to have a private slapfight. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:There is also the prevailing notion of racism and whiteness being akin to the Original Sin, which I whole-heartedly reject, and hopefully that understanding of racism exists only on tumblr/the internet. see thats where i get annoyed. now its a weird evangelical version of social leftism and thats loving stupid. the trump tutelage posted:I at least partially blame the adoption of the definition of systemic racism (ie. R=P+P) as the definition of racism as such. this too. rudatron posted:I think part of the error is how racism, or prejudice in general, is seen, as a kind of moral failing, rather than something more akin to a phobia, or other conditioned responses. well i have always seen alot of it as a lack of education(poor white racism), i have relatives who believe all the awful dumb stuff but when you genuinly explain stuff to them and dont be a weird dick about it, it sinks in. sure it will probaly be lost next time they go watch hannity or rush(which is where alot of the stupid poo poo comes from, along with poverty and lack of education). honestly i just feel bad for them. honestly it often depends how you EXPIRENCE a idea and who is transmiting it rather then the idea it self. like i was turned of leftism for good long while because i had terrible college professor who was literally a steriotype out of a conservative chain e-mail. FuriousxGeorge posted:There are a lot of ways to define a new masculinity. But it's hard within a "woke/sjw" framework because the definition needs to have some explicitly positive, assertive qualities to it to be meaningful but they find it hard to accept defining something as masculine doesn't mean defining the feminine as the opposite. probaly. jon is trapped in his own rhetoric and will be forever. https://twitter.com/SuperNerdMike/status/849043504365830144 this whole thread explains him better though alot of the early life stuff is bullshit, he doesnt own a island, from everything i see, he came from a middle class hard evangelical family and went hard left when 9/11 broke his brain. Dapper_Swindler has issued a correction as of 17:26 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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rudatron posted:The instant they stop feeling guilty, minorities are going to get exactly the same treatment that rednecks get now - indifference. Kind of like how groups of European immigrants used to be discriminated against and now they're just considered white people?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:There is also the prevailing notion of racism and whiteness being akin to the Original Sin, which I whole-heartedly reject, and hopefully that understanding of racism exists only on tumblr/the internet. A lot of these people do come across as former hard core evangelicals that have replaced the christian doctrine with this bizarre cult they're in. I honestly don't understand how people tolerate these crazy rear end white as a ghost assholes trying to kiss up to them, and "white knight" for them. This of course all being done while they do absolutely nothing to assist them economically or in reforming laws for them. Kyle Kulinski uses the phrase "McFeminism" and I'm starting to believe that's growing more so into "McIntersectionalfeminism". ... On a dumb unrelated note? I feel horrible admitting this, but I hope this Russia story winds up with the media looking like dipshits in the end. It's not that I "like" Trump. It's just the people parroting this poo poo up and down he neoliberal/neoconservative pipeline are somehow even worse than Trump. I want to see them fail.
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FuzzySkinner posted:On a dumb unrelated note? I feel horrible admitting this, but I hope this Russia story winds up with the media looking like dipshits in the end. It's not that I "like" Trump. It's just the people parroting this poo poo up and down he neoliberal/neoconservative pipeline are somehow even worse than Trump. I want to see them fail. there's no loving grand russian conspiracy, putin just knows how to massage trump's ego and surprise, massage a bully's ego and it's very easy to get him to do what you want
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FuzzySkinner posted:A lot of these people do come across as former hard core evangelicals that have replaced the christian doctrine with this bizarre cult they're in. I had a friend in high school who was very religious and had "absolutely no sympathy for homosexuals or satanists," (something he once told me, unprovoked). Sometime during junior year he became a gay marxist near-militant furry who literally growled at the TV when Bush was on/mentioned. At no point during his transition was he ever "I'm just some guy with opinions but if yours are different that's cool and also maybe I like dudes but not animals." It was either all one way or the other. And if you ever get tired of hearing about the Russia stuff, just say that the 1980's are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. 
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I don't, i don't believe that trump is some secret GRU agent or some poo poo, but i think he is an idiot who is in deep with the sharks so he put a ton of his money and properties in russia and they probaly have ton of poo poo on him + plus he has a massive boner for putin. and he is surrounded by idiots who openly either worked for putin or are useful idiots to him.
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How is there so many goddamned liberals who get random rear end check marks? (Again, before anyone flips out? Liberals and Leftists are two different things. I identify as a "Lefty") https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/849264907665133574 https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/849271752802811904 my brain hurts. At least someone called him out on his stupidity https://twitter.com/kalenasthom/status/849362337962348545
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FuzzySkinner posted:How is there so many goddamned liberals who get random rear end check marks? (Again, before anyone flips out? Liberals and Leftists are two different things. I identify as a "Lefty") i am amused about the dumb fucks liberals who are clapping over trump giving his salery to the national parks, which he is also gutting by 2 BILLION dollars.
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FuzzySkinner posted:How is there so many goddamned liberals who get random rear end check marks? Anyone can get their account verified these days.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I honestly don't understand how people tolerate these crazy rear end white as a ghost assholes trying to kiss up to them, and "white knight" for them. This of course all being done while they do absolutely nothing to assist them economically or in reforming laws for them. Kyle Kulinski uses the phrase "McFeminism" and I'm starting to believe that's growing more so into "McIntersectionalfeminism". because crazy rear end white as a ghost assholes who "white knight" you and act like weirdos still beat the hell out of all the crazy rear end white as a ghost assholes who call you slurs, don't want you in their communities and spaces, secretly or openly wish violence upon you, etc people who do nothing helpful are a step up from people who do harm, and there's still enough of the latter to go around
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FuzzySkinner posted:How is there so many goddamned liberals who get random rear end check marks? (Again, before anyone flips out? Liberals and Leftists are two different things. I identify as a "Lefty") I've been using lib/neolib/woke/plastic progressive/Democrat in name only/etc interchangeably.
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super sweet best pal posted:I've been using lib/neolib/woke/plastic progressive/Democrat in name only/etc interchangeably. We're the Greenwald Left or "Putin's Personal Invading Army". according to this guy https://twitter.com/historyinflicks/status/849442659882217472 e: The merger of neoliberals and neoconservatives into one lovely political power is now complete. FuzzySkinner has issued a correction as of 03:15 on Apr 5, 2017 |
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MaxxBot posted:JEB! A good post.
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an actual dog posted:Anyone can get their account verified these days. Low-hanging fruit, but Lowtax
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FuzzySkinner posted:We're the Greenwald Left or "Putin's Personal Invading Army". according to this guy At this point with Trump flailing politically, the Democrats can revise 2016.
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an actual dog posted:Anyone can get their account verified these days. Only if you have "correct" opinions.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Only if you have "correct" opinions. This guy is a notorious wrong thinker but he still has his checkmark. Its more about how you present the wrong think and how large your reach is. https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/849226991110938625
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I spent far too long scratching my head on where to post this one, but in the end the rise of the insult 'cuck' won out, that it must be in the mockthread. NSFW. Herein we try and retake 'cuck' from the alt-right trolls, and explain how cuckolding is a wholesome and good fetish!  http://www.ohjoysextoy.com/cuckolding/ 
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Clawtopsy posted:I spent far too long scratching my head on where to post this one, but in the end the rise of the insult 'cuck' won out, that it must be in the mockthread. Lol. People are free to do whatever. But cuckolding always seemed like a really pathetic fetish to me which I guess is the point and gets to make these fools feel like the "ultimate feminist". And they get to be like Anthony burch. But seriously I saw a vice documentary on it and it just looks like it's a murder suicide waiting to happen. http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/what-open-marriage-taught-one-man-about-feminism.html
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What Open Marriage Taught One Man About Being A Pathetic Worm Unfit To Pass Along His Genes
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wizard on a water slide posted:because crazy rear end white as a ghost assholes who "white knight" you and act like weirdos still beat the hell out of all the crazy rear end white as a ghost assholes who call you slurs, don't want you in their communities and spaces, secretly or openly wish violence upon you, etc I'm pretty sure most of the woke twitter warriors aren't "beating" anyone. The other problem is that the worst of these folks think that economic justice is racist and, when you actually poll minorities instead of filtering what they think through white academia speak, they tend to rank economic security higher than some rear end in a top hat putting their coat over a muddy puddle for them
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Frosted Flake posted:Letting someone gently caress your wife is woke now e.g. quote:She didn’t present it as an issue of feminism to me, but after much soul-searching about why the idea of my wife [spending our savings on slot machines] bothered me I came to a few conclusions: [asking her not to] meant I controlled her [financial independence], and, not to get all women’s-studies major about it, patriarchal oppression essentially boils down to a man’s fear that a woman with [financial independence] is a woman he can’t control.
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She didn’t present it as an issue of feminism to me, but after much soul-searching about why the idea of my wife [injecting heroin] bothered me I came to a few conclusions: [sobriety] meant I controlled her [bodily], and, not to get all women’s-studies major about it, patriarchal oppression essentially boils down to a man’s fear that a woman with [bodily autonomy] is a woman he can’t control.
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the trump tutelage posted:The argument he uses could be used to excuse any lovely behavior on her part. Asking anyone to do anything is using power, and power is bad so never stop someone from doing what they want. Jfc
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