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Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Breath Ray posted:

I think I prefer pancake day but I do like hot cross buns, the fluffy chicks and the days off

Yeah I like the long weekend and the lack of pressure compared to Christmas.

The worse Christian celebration is easily Harvest Festival. What a none event.

Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Apr 4, 2017

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big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

Easter egg hunts represent the apostles' search for Jesus while he was sulking in a cave after being crucified, and their eventual success after being led to his hidey hole by a rabbit. The chocolate eggs represent Our Lord, his sweet nature and dark, brown skin.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:11

WeAreTheRomans: Feb 23, 2010; by R. Guyovich

Pissflaps posted:

Yeah I like the long weekend and the lack of pressure compared to Christmas.

The worse Christian celebration is easily Harvest Festival. What a none event.

Isn't that a Pagan thing though? Inasmuch as it's a thing at all

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:11

ukle: Nov 28, 2005

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Isn't that a Pagan thing though? Inasmuch as it's a thing at all

Yes, but so are all the Christian festivals. ~~I think pancake day / lent is the only one that isn't a pagan festival rebranded.~~ Nope just checked Lent was another one that was nicked and rebranded to tie in to the bible.

ukle fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Apr 4, 2017

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:15

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

Pissflaps posted:

Yeah I like the long weekend and the lack of pressure compared to Christmas.

The worse Christian celebration is easily Harvest Festival. What a none event.

Pissflaps you must edit a picture of a fat dog into this post.

Also, Easter comes from Ēostre, goddess of dawn, so yes, it's yet another germanic/celtic festival the Christians assimilated. Spring, fertility, etc.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:18

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Pissflaps posted:

I find it fascinating that 'Ole' comes from 'Allah'.

These guys are gonna be pissed off when they find out.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:33

Kassad: Nov 12, 2005; It's about time.

Pochoclo posted:

Also, Easter comes from Ēostre, goddess of dawn, so yes, it's yet another germanic/celtic festival the Christians assimilated. Spring, fertility, etc.

Only for the name (and that's not even true for most of western Europe). The date and symbolism come from Passover.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:35

Zalakwe: Jun 4, 2007; Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters

I can understand why Christians are angry that corporate interests want to co-opt their cultural identity for profit, it is a good thing to get angry about. I wouldn't have picked an Easter egg hunt personally as it is hardly cannon but you work with what you have.

I can also understand people scoffing that previously this was just someone else's cultural identity that Christians have co-opted. However unless you want the next iteration of cultural identity to be purely corporate it is worth reflecting about which side you are on.

Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Apr 4, 2017

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:37

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

Kassad posted:

Only for the name (and that's not even true for most of western Europe). The date and symbolism come from Passover.

Not in Germanic countries. I mean, Passover doesn't have giant fire wheels as far as I know.

Otherwise yeah, "Pascua" comes from "Pesach", for example, the egg, the rosca, etc.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:44

EmptyVessel: Oct 30, 2012

Junior G-man posted:

quote:
The archbishop of York said the decision to omit �Easter� from the egg hunt was �tantamount to spitting on the grave of [John] Cadbury� � the chocolate company�s founder.

John Cadbury was a Quaker, he very likely didn't even celebrate Easter, the Archbishop of York is an idiot.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:45

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Harvest Festival would be good if we actually made it an event. Long weekend for the Harvest Moon, rounds off the end of summer nicely, counterweight to Easter, emphasis on bringing people together and caring for your community and not being a dick, kids could learn about where their food comes from.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:46

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Guavanaut posted:

Harvest Festival would be good if we actually made it an event. Long weekend for the Harvest Moon, rounds off the end of summer nicely, counterweight to Easter, emphasis on bringing people together and caring for your community and not being a dick, kids could learn about where their food comes from.

A weekend to celebrate a farming video game seems a bit much but I'd not complain.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:48

floofyscorp: Feb 12, 2007

forkboy84 posted:

A weekend to celebrate a farming video game seems a bit much but I'd not complain.

I mean, it's a pretty good game.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:53

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

https://www.ft.com/content/8955e48c-1881-11e7-9c35-0dd2cb31823a

quote:

Labour is likely to lose Glasgow city council and about 125 council seats across the UK in local elections in May, according to a new electoral analysis.

Robert Hayward, a Conservative peer and pollster, predicted the worst local election results for an opposition party since 1985, excluding the years when there was also a general election.

But Lord Hayward said that Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, would probably be able to mitigate the embarrassment with victories in the elections for new �metro mayors� in Manchester and Liverpool.

Opinion polls are showing that even people who have voted for Labour in the past now prefer Theresa May, the prime minister, to Mr Corbyn.

In February, the Conservatives won in Copeland, the first time since 1982 that a government has gained a seat at a by-election.

Lord Hayward, also a former Tory MP, predicted that the Conservatives would gain more than 100 seats in the ballot on May 4. Marginal Tory-Labour seats to watch included county councils in the north Midlands, he said.

�The Labour party will be judged by its performance in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and Lancashire, as well as Scotland,� he said. Labour currently controls Derbyshire and is the largest party in the other two counties.

Many Conservative gains are likely to be at the expense of Ukip, which enjoyed a surge the last time these seats were contested in 2012. Any net loss of seats for the anti-EU party will raise more questions about its direction under Paul Nuttall, its new leader, who failed to win a parliamentary by-election in Stoke in February.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Democrats could enjoy a morale boost by retaking control of Somerset and Cornwall from the Tories. Tim Farron�s Europhile party, which previously held both county councils, is clawing back support in the region despite a majority of locals backing Brexit.

Lord Hayward predicted that the Lib Dems could see a net gain of about 100 seats, in line with a recent estimate by fellow psephologists Colin Rallings and Michael Thrasher. �They have a seriously good prospect of winning both Cornwall and Somerset,� he said.

The elections in May will see 2,370 seats contested in 27 county councils, six English unitary authorities, one metropolitan authority and two mayoralties.

There will also be votes for six new �combined authority� mayors in Greater Manchester, the Liverpool City Region, Tees Valley, West Midlands, Cambridgeshire & Peterborough and the West of England.

They [the Lib Dems] have a seriously good prospect of winning both Cornwall and Somerset,
Lord Hayward, Tory peer and pollster
Three former and current Labour MPs are standing in those contests: Andy Burnham in Manchester; Steve Rotheram in Liverpool; and Si�n Simon in the West Midlands. Mr Simon faces a substantial challenge from Andy Street, former managing director of John Lewis, who is standing as the Tory candidate.

Mr Thrasher and Mr Rallings have predicted that Ukip�s equivalent share of the national vote could fall from 22 per cent last time to just 10 per cent. Labour�s share is likely to be far below its previous standing under Ed Miliband, with the Tories up substantially on this point in the last parliament.

nearly choked on my lunch at the first sentence. that can't be right can it? never thought I'd live to see the day.
I don't suppose the greens have stated a position on who they would prop up if Labour did drop to less than 40 seats but still more seats than the SNP?

# ? Apr 4, 2017 12:57

Lobster God: Nov 5, 2008

Pissflaps posted:

I find it fascinating that 'Ole' comes from 'Allah'.

A couple of the recent episodes of the history of the English language podcast talk about Arabic derived words that entered English during the crusades. I'd recommend having a listen, I think you'd enjoy it.

Episodes 90 and 91: http://historyofenglishpodcast.com

# ? Apr 4, 2017 13:03

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

It's been accepted for a while now that the best overall result Labour can hope for in Glasgow is a No Overall Control. 9 incumbent Labour Councillors are stepping down rather than facing re-election. It won't be a complete wipe out or anything because STV is used, and there's 3 or 4 councillors elected from each of the 21 wards. Still. It's not solely related to Labour's Scottish collapse, because Glasgow Labour ended up splitting off before the 2012 local elections, forming a new Glasgow First party. Can't even remember the why of the split. Add that to the general weariness of Labour in Glasgow, and maybe throw in that Glasgow was one of the few areas to actually vote for independence, and Labour loss of the council, while unimaginable 7 years ago, isn't exactly that surprising in the current climate.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 13:12

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

EmptyVessel posted:

John Cadbury was a Quaker, he very likely didn't even celebrate Easter, the Archbishop of York is an idiot.

Indeed.

York Minster is only half a mile from the largest Meeting House in the UK, as well, so it's not like he would've been hard pressed to find one to ask about this non-issue.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 13:16

Communist Bear: Oct 7, 2008

Can only bloody well hope Labour lose Glasgow City Council. They've been running it like a corrupt mafia for ages now. Bastards.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 13:22

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

The "degenerative brain disorder" theory might well be true. Most of us have seen those graphs which point to leaded petrol being behind the US crime wave of the 80's and early 90's that faded to nothing once unleaded became the norm. Maybe the fish in our fish and chips is full of mercury.

It's not like brain scans are routinely done during health checkups. Most of the country having holes in their brain would explain so many things.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 13:23

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

Zalakwe posted:

I can also understand people scoffing that previously this was just someone else's cultural identity that Christians have co-opted. However unless you want the next iteration of cultural identity to be purely corporate it is worth reflecting about which side you are on.

I can see where you're coming from but I'm not too concerned - people will co-opt that corporate identity quickly enough. Coca-Cola might have been a strong influence on the anglophone version of Santa, but that doesn't mean they control Christmas.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 13:28

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

That minimum pricing effortpost, was that in here or the Scotpol thread? Anyone have it saved?

# ? Apr 4, 2017 13:33

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Coohoolin posted:

That minimum pricing effortpost, was that in here or the Scotpol thread? Anyone have it saved?

It was in Scotpol shoot me a PM and I'll hook you up.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 13:36

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

For the sake of heading off a tl;dr was the opinion that it is Good or Bad?

# ? Apr 4, 2017 13:41

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IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.

jBrereton posted:

Indeed.

York Minster is only half a mile from the largest Meeting House in the UK, as well, so it's not like he would've been hard pressed to find one to ask about this non-issue.

Yeah his daughter weighed in on it on BBC:

quote:

Mrs May told ITV News: "I'm not just a vicar'sdaughter - I'm a member of the National Trust as well.

I think the stance they have taken is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know what they are thinking about frankly. Easter's very important... It's a very important festival for the Christian faith for millions across the world.

Whoops I mean:

quote:

Meanwhile, a descendant of John Cadbury pointed out that "as a Quaker, he didn't celebrate Easter".

His great-great-great-great-granddaughter, Esther McConnell, said: "He believed that every day is equally sacred and this was expressed by not marking festivals."

She added: "I am glad to see that Cadbury and the National Trust are welcoming those of 'all faiths and none' to their event regardless of whether they call it Easter or not."

Quakers are members of a faith group with Christian roots, but they do not celebrate Christian festivals such Easter and Christmas.

Paul Parker, recording clerk for Quakers in Britain, explained why Easter - and other traditional festivals - are not celebrated by Quakers.

"Eggs - chocolate or otherwise - remind us of new life and new beginnings. Quaker faith prompts us to seek that of God in each other," he said.

"Rather than keeping traditional church festivals, Quakers say every day is a chance for new beginnings for all of us, for love and forgiveness, restorative justice and joy."

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Apr 4, 2017

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Tigey: Apr 6, 2015

Guavanaut posted:

Harvest Festival would be good if we actually made it an event. Long weekend for the Harvest Moon, rounds off the end of summer nicely, counterweight to Easter, emphasis on bringing people together and caring for your community and not being a dick, kids could learn about where their food comes from.

I can genuinely see it being made a holiday in future - not out of bringing people together - but that without immigrant agricultural workers, we are probably going to have to force schoolkids to work for free in the fields so may as well justify it with flimsy cultural excuses.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 14:02

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Tigey posted:

I can genuinely see it being made a holiday in future - not out of bringing people together - but that without immigrant agricultural workers, we are probably going to have to force schoolkids to work for free in the fields so may as well justify it with flimsy cultural excuses.

So it'll be like what my mam had to do during the Tattie Holidays as a kid then. If it takes us back to the very early 1960s, pretty sure 51% of the country will get behind it.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 14:05

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

We used to do harvest festival at school, or "bring tins for Ethiopians day" which is basically what it was.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 14:06

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Private Speech posted:

Yeah his daughter weighed in on it on BBC

Tess is certainly a daughter of the Church of England.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 14:07

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I find it hard to believe honestly, most vicars I've met have been quite nice.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 14:09

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

OwlFancier posted:

We used to do harvest festival at school, or "bring tins for Ethiopians day" which is basically what it was.

Ditto, except the local church provided a massive loaf of bread, and we got to take a chunk of it about the size of a roll home.

e: and a lot of the time the tins went to families of the kids in school, they had a secretish handover of them afterwards.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 14:18

Breath Ray: Nov 19, 2010

Wonder if the quakers could do reactive comms for labour

# ? Apr 4, 2017 14:18

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

EmptyVessel posted:

John Cadbury was a Quaker, he very likely didn't even celebrate Easter, the Archbishop of York is an idiot.

Zombie Cadbury climbs out of his grave. Looks around. Climbs back in aghast at 2017.

Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Apr 4, 2017

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EAT SHIT

Pochoclo posted:

It would be "�El Pe��n no se toca!" or "�No jodan con Gibraltar, espa�oles putos!", "�Viva el eterno Imperio Brit�nico!"

I was waiting for you to pop up!

EmptyVessel posted:

John Cadbury was a Quaker, he very likely didn't even celebrate Easter, the Archbishop of York is an idiot.

Probably has to rep Yorkies as part of his duties, you can understand the desperation

# ? Apr 4, 2017 14:58

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

I don't eat nestle products.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 15:20

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

Lol, idiot tabloids pushing a BREAKING story of how ARE NAVY BOYS just chased off a Spanish invasion (just a small boat) off Gibraltar ISLAND (yeah they say "island" several times). As if they don't constantly escort spanish/russian/whatever boats along

# ? Apr 4, 2017 15:28

Tigey: Apr 6, 2015

Pissflaps posted:

I don't eat nestle products.

Another boycott?

# ? Apr 4, 2017 15:39

HJB: Feb 16, 2011; I can't get enough of are Dan

Pochoclo posted:

Lol, idiot tabloids pushing a BREAKING story of how ARE NAVY BOYS just chased off a Spanish invasion (just a small boat) off Gibraltar ISLAND (yeah they say "island" several times). As if they don't constantly escort spanish/russian/whatever boats along

This was initially reported by yet another Parody:

https://twitter.com/dparody/status/849221860743151616

# ? Apr 4, 2017 15:43

EmptyVessel: Oct 30, 2012

jBrereton posted:

Indeed.

York Minster is only half a mile from the largest Meeting House in the UK, as well, so it's not like he would've been hard pressed to find one to ask about this non-issue.

Shocking no one the Archbishop of York displays a complete ignorance of any variety of religion that is not his own.

forkboy84 posted:

So it'll be like what my mam had to do during the Tattie Holidays as a kid then. If it takes us back to the very early 1960s, pretty sure 51% of the country will get behind it.

We had this when I was in primary (70s), don't think any of us kids actually picked tatties during it though.

Pissflaps posted:

I don't eat nestle products.

I haven't for over 20 years.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 15:44

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Ditto, except the local church provided a massive loaf of bread, and we got to take a chunk of it about the size of a roll home.

e: and a lot of the time the tins went to families of the kids in school, they had a secretish handover of them afterwards.

I can only assume ours went to a local food bank or something because they were always a bit vague about where they went except that it was usually accompanied by general "there's kids starving in Africa" sentiments.

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Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Tigey posted:

Another boycott?

Yes. Hasn't had the immediate effect that my Pret boycott did, but I didn't organise this one.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 15:49

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