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Colonel Whitey posted:I have to think that Griffin will at least restore SOME of Merle's abilities for the final showdown.
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Mikey Purp posted:Through the lens of pure storytelling I don't think it was that lovely because it puts the character through a crisis of faith and also plays into some of the things about Merle that Clint talked about in TTAZZ i.e. being insecure about his place and value to the group. From a DMing perspective, I think that you have to take into account your players before making decisions like this and I imagine that Griffin feels pretty comfortable with how Clint will adapt. Also I have no doubt that this is all going to culminate into a situation which somehow catapults Merle into a position of very high importance where he's the only one who can save the world or some such. That is a very careful balancing act, and while I trust Griffin to pull it off in a mostly satisfactory way, it is plain old bad GMing to take away the character's core abilities for long stretches of the game. Putting them into a tight spot where they have to work outside of their comfort zone? Sure, that's cool. That is sorta what Griffin did with Magnus and his mannequin body. But what's been going on with Merle has been happening for a while.
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Just let go of the presumption that this is in any way a D&D game. It's a story being told with some improvisational bits with a dash of dice-roll decision making.
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If it was a standard D&D game it's definitely worth worrying about, but it's mainly a vehicle for storytelling now -- and even if it wasn't, the boys and their dad trust each other a lot to not gently caress each other over cruelly for no reason. Trust goes a long way.
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iajanus posted:Any idea how long it normally takes for donor rewards to ship? The bandanas took a while last year, i seem to remember getting mine in like June. Not sure if that will change for the pins.
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Ariong posted:Okay, got another one for ya. Merle has been a Pannite since he was a kid, having come from a religious family. However, now we know that that family does not come from this world. Did the last planar system also have a Pan? Forgive me if I'm misremembering because I've only listened through the series once, but didn't Merle switch deities to Pan very early on? I thought he was affiliated with someone else and only switched to Pan at their first level-up on the moonbase after Gerblins? I know they messed with this because the first Maxfun TAZ bonus prequel where they first took on the quest has Merle trying to preach the good word sans Xtreme Teen Bible, but I didn't know if they retconned it entirely.
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Kenny Logins posted:It would be cool if Merle got some wicked sick magic-arm and/or eye upgrades to help him just kick all kinds of rear end. Like putting the Phoenix Fire Gauntlet on the end of his arm and his eyepatch trades out for the Oculus, since they've been drained they could have more balanced powers now. Yeah I'm fully expecting something like this or Merle becomes the ultimate Pokemon Master as every god still in existence starts channeling their power through him and he just summons SHITLOADS of angels/demons/etc. to fight the Hunger
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They retconned it so he's always worshipped Pan, yeah.
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CronoGamer posted:Forgive me if I'm misremembering because I've only listened through the series once, but didn't Merle switch deities to Pan very early on? I thought he was affiliated with someone else and only switched to Pan at their first level-up on the moonbase after Gerblins? I know they messed with this because the first Maxfun TAZ bonus prequel where they first took on the quest has Merle trying to preach the good word sans Xtreme Teen Bible, but I didn't know if they retconned it entirely. Yeah, it's a straight up and down retcon. Just pretend that Merle has been worshipping Pan his whole life, especially since he didn't really call on his old god during Gerblins at all, and also doesn't even remember his name 
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ALFbrot posted:Just let go of the presumption that this is in any way a D&D game. It's a story being told with some improvisational bits with a dash of dice-roll decision making. Oh no doubt. The only reason it's not totally lovely is that this is a podcast where presumably everyone is trusting Griffin to not just gently caress them over. If this was sprung on me in a normal game though I would not be happy.
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Serf posted:Oh no doubt. The only reason it's not totally lovely is that this is a podcast where presumably everyone is trusting Griffin to not just gently caress them over. If this was sprung on me in a normal game though I would not be happy.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'm pretty sure there's some backchanneling going on; it's a tight-knit family, and if Clint were unhappy with where Merle is going, he could just tell Griffin that. You can do quick offline "Are you good with where we are right now?" without spoiling the ongoing plot. Yeah, that's another important thing to consider. You're not hearing the whole DnD game, just the parts you're supposed to hear.
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also Clint doesnt seem to give a poo poo about DnD he just want to hang out and goof with his sons, which he does through Merle.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'm pretty sure there's some backchanneling going on; it's a tight-knit family, and if Clint were unhappy with where Merle is going, he could just tell Griffin that. You can do quick offline "Are you good with where we are right now?" without spoiling the ongoing plot. Definitely. I often check in with my players before and after doing stuff. And I also believe it when Griffin said in TTAZZ 2 that he doesn't just tell them what to do or what is going to happen. But I also know that pulling what he's done to Merle isn't something I would do to a player without asking, and if it happened to me with no checking in I'd be pretty unhappy. That said if the player in question were my dad it would probably be okay. If your dad is playing D&D with you he's most likely gonna be chill.
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timp posted:Yeah, it's a straight up and down retcon. Just pretend that Merle has been worshipping Pan his whole life, especially since he didn't really call on his old god during Gerblins at all, and also doesn't even remember his name Edit: Wait I just realised this plays into the "Taako is a Mexican elf" thing, haha
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TACD posted:I was listening to the first episode again not long ago where the boys are setting up their characters. Did you remember that Taako worships Olmec? Nope, and I've listened to the first episode a couple times. ...Do you think Justin remembers?
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I thought it was Ogma. EDIT: And I've always been hoping that Griffin would find an excuse to grill Justin on that, because I want to hear him struggle to remember which god he worships in character as Taako.
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Oghma is the Forgotten Realms deity that Justin said he worshiped in a joke that he forgot within 10 minutes.
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Ariong posted:I thought it was Ogma.
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timp posted:Yeah, it's a straight up and down retcon. Just pretend that Merle has been worshipping Pan his whole life, especially since he didn't really call on his old god during Gerblins at all, and also doesn't even remember his name And I can't remember which episode, might have been one of the TTAZZ eps, but Griffin asked Clint if he only switched gods because Pan was shorter and easier to remember, and Clint slyly said "Maybe". He made Clint without really giving a poo poo at first, and then made something that was more a character he'd want to play once it got serious. I also remember someone saying that Merle and Taako were just renamed beginner characters from the box. Can't blame them for changing poo poo and not remembering.
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Yeah, only Magnus is 100% homegrown PC, Merle and Taako are modified versions of characters that came pre-rolled in the starter kit. I think Merle's vanilla god was Marthammor Duin, something like that? All I remember is that one of the first pieces of fan-art was a red-haired, stockier Merle with a hammer that said 'In it to Duin It' E: found Merle's old god's name
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Ariong posted:259: birthday surprise hole? That is a phenomenal episode, one of two (Streaks on the China) that I have saved for relistens
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timp posted:Which MBMBAM bonus episode is the one where they ask each other for advice? Donor's ep for 2013 is one of those
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Ariong posted:259: birthday surprise hole? Holy poo poo...I've been working my way backwards through the show and I'm on 261 right now. 260 is a Best Of, so 259 literally would have been my next episode in the list. Not sure why I was under the impression it was a bonus episode, but I've been looking forward to it every since somebody mentioned it in this thread. Anyway, thanks! EDIT: El Padrino posted:Donor's ep for 2013 is one of those Well that explains it! Thanks to you too!
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Is anyone else having trouble accessing the donor bonus content? I entered the password from the email they sent but it says it's wrong. Did they change it to a new one after/during the fund drive?
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El Padrino posted:Donor's ep for 2013 is one of those They do the same in 2012 as well.
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dantheman650 posted:Is anyone else having trouble accessing the donor bonus content? I entered the password from the email they sent but it says it's wrong. Did they change it to a new one after/during the fund drive? Still works for me.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Can someone more gossipy than me with an ear to the streets explain this Red Bubble thing, Justin's tweeting about? They seem to have used the McElroy's IP without their permission but I want deetz. redbubble is a place where fans/artists/fanartists can sell stuff they've made to other people, and in this case there's apparently a good amount of McElroy stuff on the site (specifically stuff for The Adventure Zone). It's a bit messy, since, yknow, would you want to start issuing takedowns to your fans for the stuff they've made?
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flatluigi posted:redbubble is a place where fans/artists/fanartists can sell stuff they've made to other people, and in this case there's apparently a good amount of McElroy stuff on the site (specifically stuff for The Adventure Zone). It's a bit messy, since, yknow, would you want to start issuing takedowns to your fans for the stuff they've made? On, like, tumblr? No. But click through some (read: all) of the products brazenly tagged "McElroy." This isn't fan art, it's making money* off something they created. *Probably not many people are buying these things.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Can someone more gossipy than me with an ear to the streets explain this Red Bubble thing, Justin's tweeting about? They seem to have used the McElroy's IP without their permission but I want deetz. people are still pretending in 2017 that they don't know it's illegal/rude-as-hell to set up store fronts selling work around someone else's intellectual property i don't think there's a specific incident behind this tweet? it's just like, a continuing issue because they can't exactly afford a fulltime lawyer team to protect their ip rights e: wow double-beaten
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Redbubble is one of those print-on-demand websites where you can turn your art into t-shirts and posters and make money! Except there's like no fact-checking whatsoever so it consists of 40% stolen fanart, 50% regular copyright infringement, and 10% legitimate art. Anyway they have a whole bunch of MBMBaM and TAZ stuff up right now.
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