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Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I play Kings of War and Deadzone regularly. I played Advanced Squad Leader once and never again. I am picking up Test of Honor this week and foresee lots of games of that in the future. I semi-irregularly play Dragon Rampant, but we're going to try out the fantasy version of Brink of Battle once Scrappers (same core rules) is released.

If you stretch it out further than 6 months, I've played Saga, Frostgrave, and Bolt Action as well.

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Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Ugleb posted:

I skipped 18 pages because the previous 20 were low on content and high on defensive rhetoric. Sadly I can't find time to read this all so I'll get to my point.

40k diehards want to know why death thread participants won't admit GW is awesome now, right?

I was a big GW fan through the 90's and dropped out of the wargaming hobby around 2000 when I went to uni, which happens to be about the time most people consider GW to have gone into decline. I played and tried to collect for pretty much every game GW was putting out up to then.

I came back to wargaming 2 years or so ago a bit before AoS landed. I took a look at what GW was doing and it was depressing, most the things I liked about GW seemed long gone or in sorry state. Since then I have noted improvement, or at least the attempt to improve.

AoS launched poorly but GW seem to be attempting course correction and revision of the game to address short comings.

GW have begun reaching out to their communities again. Like a modern company.

GW appear more willing to admit that they have competition and that maybe their games should be better to play. AoS was I think an ambitious experiment and 40k 8th edition is being touted as a significant attempt to fix the game rather than just flog some books.

GW are reviving fan favourite licences that should never have been dropped. Blood Bowl. Necromunda (kinda). Epic (maybe, kinda).

These are all signs that GW is trying to right the ship.

But I am still not going to be won back, and that is because they aren't hitting the right notes for me.

Their modern aesthetic isn't my bag. I find the poses generally awkward and most models are over wrought with excessive details. They are not clean and dynamic, I find them clunky and muddled. I gather they are produced to a high standard, but I just don't find them all that attractive. This is of course subjective and you may disagree.

While I think AoS was a bold attempt to innovate, it did come at the cost of losing the most established fantasy mass battles game in the industry and the butchering of its lore (as Tolkien derivative as it might have been). GW could have launched AoS as a wholly new property pitched at whatever scale AoS is meant to be played at and moved WFB over to specialist games status. I think we all agree this transition could have been done better.

40k is seemingly rolling the clock back to 2nd edition. This isn't moving forwards.

Necromunda appealed to me for its setting and aesthetic. It's rules I feel have been surpassed by other games in the past 20 years. The new title drops everything I liked about Necromunda but reportedly retains those old rules apparently unchanged.

I have recently been throwing out my old GW rule books as I felt they just are not games that I would choose to play over cleaner and more polished modern rule sets. And yet GW are heading right back to them. If that was what I wanted, I could have played it at any time in the last 20 years, so how is this moving forwards?
Agreed GW shouldn't be praised for making very timid steps toward be better, just like EA shouldn't be praised if their newer games are technically less bad than Dungeon Keeper Mobile.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

spectralent posted:

Aww jeez :(

What's the prognosis on FIV?

Many cats live long and basically healthy lives with FIV+. It is less serious for a cat, than HIV+ is for a human. However, eventually it will get them. Their ability to fight infections and stuff can be boosted with medication and supplements etc. etc. but at some point they'll get sick with something and not beat it.

It's transmitted by deep bite wounds - saliva to blood contact, basically. So outdoor intact males are the ones most likely to both have it and spread it, since their hormones drive them to fight one another for access to food, mates, and territory. Crash, of course, was an outdoor intact male cat, so...


Moola posted:

Stay safe kitty

still locked in the bathroom or ?

Yeah he's gonna be in there for at least a week or two. Bare minimum, he needs to heal enough to have the wound above his balls be at a point where the vet can stitch him up, and have his strength up enough to not be super vulnerable to more infections etc. Based on experience, he's going to be sick of being stuck in a bathroom within a few more days, and as he gets stronger, he'll protest about it more. We're thinking about setting up some kind of kennel to house him in the garage or on the patio once he's well enough. Mixing with our cats is not going to be an option since he's FIV+. Once he's fixed, his drive to fight other males should go down, but I don't think we're going to be confident enough that it's safe that we're willing to put our own cats at risk.

Cats with FIV+ picked up by local animal control are usually destroyed. But they can make good pets, provided the owner is aware of the possible issues and keeps up with medical care. We're still hopeful we can find a good home for him in a month or two, when he's doing better. His jaw will be healed up enough to remove the wiring in 7-8 weeks, and at that point, he should be good to go.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Any shitposts I've made in the 40k thread are sincere and made in good faith because shitposting is my natural state

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

Terrible Opinions posted:

Agreed GW shouldn't be praised for making very timid steps toward be better, just like EA shouldn't be praised if their newer games are technically less bad than Dungeon Keeper Mobile.

ea just released the steaming pile of dogshit known as mass effect andromeda so maybe hold your horses there chief!

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

Imagine posting anything other than unironic opinions in this or any other thread.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

ea just released the steaming pile of dogshit known as mass effect andromeda so maybe hold your horses there chief!
It's bad but less bad than Dungeon Keeper. Same way that everything GW releases is still bad but not purposely bad legacy armies for AoS bad, or latest Tyranid codex bad.

Hixson
Mar 27, 2009

Terrible Opinions posted:

It's bad but less bad than Dungeon Keeper. Same way that everything GW releases is still bad but not purposely bad legacy armies for AoS bad, or latest Tyranid codex bad.

I play eldar; they're pretty good!

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

But your face is an ork

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

ea just released the steaming pile of dogshit known as mass effect andromeda so maybe hold your horses there chief!

I like ME:A and think most of the criticisms are people just piling on.

The animations are not great. Fine. The game is good and the Multiplayer is top notch.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

I think the animations and bugs are pretty funny, but the ME franchise never really clicked for me.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

TKIY posted:

I like ME:A and think most of the criticisms are people just piling on.

The animations are not great. Fine. The game is good and the Multiplayer is top notch.

:catstare:

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

TKIY posted:

I like ME:A and think most of the criticisms are people just piling on.

The animations are not great. Fine. The game is good and the Multiplayer is top notch.

drat you got ownzored by bioware

LordAba
Oct 22, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Terrible Opinions posted:

Agreed GW shouldn't be praised for making very timid steps toward be better, just like EA shouldn't be praised if their newer games are technically less bad than Dungeon Keeper Mobile.

It's like GW is EA and the other games are Yoko Taro being all like "why do they keep giving me money" and putting out gems like Nier.

I've been playing Nier is what I'm saying.

Its Rinaldo
Aug 13, 2010

CODS BINCH

TKIY posted:

I like ME:A and think most of the criticisms are people just piling on.

The animations are not great. Fine. The game is good and the Multiplayer is top notch.

I am enjoying Andromeda but it is weird not having your hand held like usual in AAA level games. Like you can build your character with pretty much any power set.

Moola posted:

its really and fun and cool

especially with the App!

How does the app make it better? I'm wary of gimmicks

Ultiville
Jan 14, 2005

The law protects no one unless it binds everyone, binds no one unless it protects everyone.

Bad Moon posted:

I am enjoying Andromeda but it is weird not having your hand held like usual in AAA level games. Like you can build your character with pretty much any power set.

Yeah but it seems like you'd have to really try to make a build that just outright sucks, which already puts it leaps and bounds ahead of GW in terms of game design.

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.
I feel the whole thing where you make a ton of character build choices before you have the slightest idea what they actually mean in practice should've been retired from games ages ago, but even otherwise good games keep on doing it

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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spectralent posted:

I don't think anyone's really concerned about Monsanto's profit margins except Monsanto and people they have in pocket in the legislature. You talk about "recruiting more farmers" as if that's a trivial thing, and you're also talking about this as if it's a solely American concern. Where are all these people going to come from that aren't in other industries? Will thousands of people find subsistence farming viable? "Just work more" looks like a really grim future, and I'm not sure it's tenable at all. World population by 2024 is projected to be 8 billion, 9 billion by 2040. This is very near future stuff and we have serious environmental challenges on top of that. Forget more labour; we might well have less land, and less viable crops. You're right that it's simpler to ban GMOs (from human consumption, presumably?) than it is to build state run hydroponic farms, but that's not the alternative; the alternative is "Ban GMOs and totally reorient the entire global economy back to farming while simultaneously preventing significant losses in arable land from climate change and also creating an international supply mechanism for food distribution that's more effective than any we've previously had except perhaps war-time ration convoying".

In a sense it's correct to say corporate monopoly on GMOs is a bigger issue here, but this is more of a general problem with the concept of intellectual property having grown malignant and parasitic than it is about GMO food itself, which is largely blameless.

Even if 'just recruit more farmers' was a doable thing, where the gently caress are they supposed to farm? I live out in the middle of the grain belt, and farmland is absurdly expensive and has spent the last three decades being consolidated by big commercial farming operations. The 'family farm' where a nuclear family had a hundred acres or so under cultivation is a dead concept for the most part because farming is not a great job. Most family farms that do still exist are worth millions on paper, but that's all tied up in land and equipment to the point that they go into debt on seed and chemicals.

NTRabbit posted:

What's there to be excited about? It's a rerelease of an extremely dated 20 year old rule set that wasn't even a good game when it was released, just with different teams to encourage people to invest more money. Massive case of nostalgia over reality, especially when so many actually good skirmish games have been released in recent years. It's an almost pavlovian response to everything they release now.

What's it like to be so bitter that even the idea of someone having fun with something makes you hiss and hide your face like Bela Lugosi seeing sunlight?

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Apr 5, 2017

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Liquid Communism posted:

What's it like to be so bitter that even the idea of someone having fun with something makes you hiss and hide your face like Bela Lugosi seeing sunlight?

I don't know, what's it like to be so deeply in love with a corporate entity that legitimate criticism of it by others is seen as the bitter, baseless barbs of an ex-lover?

PrinnySquadron
Dec 8, 2009

Bad Moon posted:


How does the app make it better? I'm wary of gimmicks

It automates how enemies work, so you don't need an "Overlord" player. It also tracks what you've spent XP on, and what Items you have bought. It also randomizes the side missions you have available.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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NTRabbit posted:

I don't know, what's it like to be so deeply in love with a corporate entity that legitimate criticism of it by others is seen as the bitter, baseless barbs of an ex-lover?

Dunno, you'll have to ask the 'why does everybody hate GW, they're good' shitposters for that one.

I'm just looking forward to having other people interested in something Necromunda-like that I can play with models I've mostly got lying around in a box somewhere already from years ago.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Liquid Communism posted:

Dunno, you'll have to ask the 'why does everybody hate GW, they're good' shitposters for that one.

I'm just looking forward to having other people interested in something Necromunda-like that I can play with models I've mostly got lying around in a box somewhere already from years ago.

Scrappers from Osprey is coming out in a couple weeks.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Liquid Communism posted:

Dunno, you'll have to ask the 'why does everybody hate GW, they're good' shitposters for that one.

I'm just looking forward to having other people interested in something Necromunda-like that I can play with models I've mostly got lying around in a box somewhere already from years ago.

I think what he's getting at is that it's disingenuous to say that Shadow Wars is fully compatible with Necromunda when the Necromunda gangs are likely to get totally mauled by the new lists. I don't buy into the thematic defense just because it makes for boring, predictable gameplay. Gangs lose, marines win.

What would be neat is if the game wasn't just 2e 40k but rather was a game with modern mechanics, and if Necromunda gangs could play with those too, wouldn't that be awesome?

Like imagine that Shadow Wars is a new game with new mechanics, but the new Necromunda was based on that and wasn't just a rehash. Instead, we get "Notcromunda" and the old gangs are outgunned from the start in a game with seriously dated gameplay.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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Atlas Hugged posted:

I think what he's getting at is that it's disingenuous to say that Shadow Wars is fully compatible with Necromunda when the Necromunda gangs are likely to get totally mauled by the new lists. I don't buy into the thematic defense just because it makes for boring, predictable gameplay. Gangs lose, marines win.

What would be neat is if the game wasn't just 2e 40k but rather was a game with modern mechanics, and if Necromunda gangs could play with those too, wouldn't that be awesome?

Like imagine that Shadow Wars is a new game with new mechanics, but the new Necromunda was based on that and wasn't just a rehash. Instead, we get "Notcromunda" and the old gangs are outgunned from the start in a game with seriously dated gameplay.

Yeah, that could be solidly awesome. I don't mind the gameplay in principal, though, as it doesn't look much more clunky than most of the other stuff I've played. The 40k setting's something of a guilty pleasure, and at least it doesn't need a car trunk full of thousands of bucks in resin to spend six hours playing two turns. I've got a lot of local buddies who were 40k players 10-15 years ago and probably have minis lying around somewhere and could be persuaded to maybe come out and push them around a table now and then if it didn't take so much of a commitment.

I also, noting the thread we're in, am fairly sure that GW trying to write new mechanics for this would gently caress it up worse than just reusing Necromunda's with the numbers rubbed off. That said, where are people getting the 'compatible with Necromunda' from? I haven't ever seen anything from GW suggesting that SWA is an expansion for Necro, or compatible with it, just people saying the rules are mostly the same.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Apr 5, 2017

by.a.teammate
Jun 27, 2007
theres nothing wrong with the word panties
Is shadow wars literally the necromunda rules? Like if i have my old necromunda books I'd have the same rules or has there being a community living document like blood bowl they've turned into book form?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Can't say for sure how much of a copy paste job it is as I haven't read it, but the rules of the game are the same as 2e 40k, yes, and the campaign system is basically Necromunda's. It uses points instead of credits though.

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

TKIY posted:

I like ME:A and think most of the criticisms are people just piling on.

The animations are not great. Fine. The game is good and the Multiplayer is top notch.

Nah the criticisms are legit and it's a pretty bad game

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

In the last six months I've been playing guild ball (with Lego teams!) and star wars armada. Most of my table top gaming is board and card games. Current regulars are star wars destiny, mechs and minions, and the Arkham horror LCG. All great.

It seems like I do have common ground with most of the shitposters, as none of us play 40k or AoS...

Lord Hypnostache
Nov 6, 2009

OATHBREAKER
I play Kings of War semi-regularly, the national KoW community is very small but all of the players are really nice people, who play to have fun. I've had more fun at our KoW tournaments than I've ever had at local 40k tournaments. Part of it is the rules, but I'll admit most of it is due to the community. The local 40k community is super competitive and my playstyle and personality don't quite match it.

I've also played a lot of board games, my friends have finally come around on the idea of playing board games regularly. Last weekend we started playing Gloomhaven, it's great.

Although mostly I just paint stuff, since that is the part of the hobby I enjoy the most. I've started painting historical minis from Gripping Beast and Perry. It's been refreshing to paint some realistically scaled dudes after a decade of heroic scale. I do still paint heroic scale stuff, mostly skellingtons, but I mix up regularly to avoid color exhaustion.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Reading the more in-depth complaints about all of Mass Effect Andromeda's weaknesses, it sounds like it's a somewhat worse Dragon Age Inquisition.

Which itself was considered a pretty decent game until Witcher 3 came along and blew it, and Fallout 4, out of the water.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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It really wasn't hard to blow Fallout 4 out of the water. It was crippled by being written by Bethesda. :P

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

Xarbala posted:

it sounds like it's a somewhat worse Dragon Age Inquisition.

Yeah pretty much

Even if the game had no animation, voice acting or lighting issues... it's still just extremely mediocre and boring

Irate Tree
Mar 12, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I haven't played any games lately, because I am a slow painter and don't have a place to frequent, since the Tin Soldier/Hall of Heroes in Penrith died. Not that I have anyone to play with, anyway. Yay misanthropy! :v:

However, I would like to thank the British Isles for tanking their own currency. If this keeps up, it'll be like the days when Maelstrom was still alive and solvent. Cheap mans for all (below the equator)!

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

ea just released the steaming pile of dogshit known as mass effect andromeda so maybe hold your horses there chief!

ME:A has been a ton of fun. I guess it is not some weird platonic ideal of a perfect game though?

Playing games is really fun though guys! I would recommend it for all of us!

Moola
Aug 16, 2006
the garbage tier attempted trolling in this thread really has to stop :smith:

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Lord_Hambrose posted:

ME:A has been a ton of fun. I guess it is not a weapon to surpass Witcher 3, though?

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Though I suppose if such a game were to exist, it would probably be NieR Automata.

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Xarbala posted:

Witcher 3

Fair.

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
Metal Gear Rising remains the best game of the decade.

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Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


spectralent posted:

Metal Gear Rising remains the best game of the decade.
RULES OF NATURE!

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