|
hog fat posted:No I'm not, human being with a derivative Hitler avatar; I already said that the entire OT can be discarded. Then why even have it? Also, pretty much every Hitler av is going to be derivative because Hitler's dead, champ. hog fat posted:The Gospel is only Christ's words, but you wouldn't know that because you haven't read that which you have the gall to criticize. So, only Jesus' part of the NT counts- you can't take into account his apostles(because Paul and some of the others have many very objectioniable things to say)? Man, this bible really sucks if you have to ignore so much of it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 10:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 19:16 |
|
|
I personally believe as a a Jew (a Jewish rabbi to boot) who mostly hung out with other Jews, Jesus probably considered the Old Testament to be pretty authoritative text. Like as a historical document at the least even if he discarded the laws.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 11:03
|
|
|
Panzeh posted:Then why even have it? Also, pretty much every Hitler av is going to be derivative because Hitler's dead, champ. You do not know what derivative means. Big shock that the guy who hasn't read the single most important book in Western canon fails to comprehend the meaning of a big-boy word. And yes, as Christ does. Otherwise you might as well adhere to tradition above the service of others like the Jews he criticizes who are not the same as contemporary Jews who are all irreproachable people. DarkCrawler posted:I personally believe as a a Jew who mostly hung out with other Jews, Jesus probably considered the Old Testament to be pretty authoritative text. Like as a historical document at the least even if he discarded the laws. Then it's a good thing your personal beliefs hold as much weight as the bowel movements of which they are comprised. hog fat fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Apr 5, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 11:04
|
|
|
hog fat posted:You do not know what derivative means. Big shock that the guy who hasn't read the single most important book in Western canon fails to comprehend the meaning of a big-boy word. I mean, if you discard the OT you would know almost nothing about God. Also, is Christ God, or the son of God(whatever that means)? You seem to have a totally different set of beliefs from practically every christian doctrine. Even the most liberal Christian creeds consider the OT to have historical value, and God's behavior in the OT indicates a morality aligned more closely to Ghenghis Khan than anyone today.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 11:12
|
|
|
I'm not going to read the bible to you because that would be like casting pearls before swine. Everything I have said is explicitly stated in the NT. Every Christian I have ever met understands this. I will continue to refer to my sample as representative as long as you continue to make up the beliefs of people you've never actually met in person Atheists <--- 
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 11:20
|
|
|
"Cast pearls before swine" is such a terrible sentence (also Paul did not ignore the OT, neither did almost literally any christian church, ever)
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 11:26
|
|
|
hog fat posted:I'm not going to read the bible to you because that would be like casting pearls before swine. Everything I have said is explicitly stated in the NT. Every Christian I have ever met understands this. I will continue to refer to my sample as representative as long as you continue to make up the beliefs of people you've never actually met in person I'm not sure who's making up who's beliefs, but I would venture to say that "ditch the whole OT" is a minority opinion in Christianity.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 11:39
|
|
|
Yeah, I am pretty sure they never told me Moses didn't actually exist in Church and I come from the most boring milquetoast Lutheran church in existence.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 11:43
|
|
|
It's not a question of the fact of Moses existence, you ignorant slobs, but rather the teachings of the OT. And yes, they are clearly disavowed in the Gospel. Arguing with cretins who haven't even read the NT is a really productive use of time. God give me the strength to love and pity you fallow-brain morons
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 11:52
|
|
|
hog fat posted:the teachings of the OT... are clearly fulfilled in the Gospel. FTFY
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 11:58
|
|
|
hog fat posted:the single most important book in Western canon I'm sorry but what does George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire saga have to do with the topic at hand?
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:00
|
|
|
hog fat posted:It's not a question of the fact of Moses existence, you ignorant slobs, but rather the teachings of the OT. And yes, they are clearly disavowed in the Gospel. The line about the fulfilment of the law meaning completely ignoring the OT is an extremely radical take that only a few dejudaizing sects would ever consider, now or historically. This whole line of argument is also kinda pointless because it's utterly meaningless from the point of view of "do christian churches have a tendency to lurch very far to the right, in general" to which the answer is broadly yes, with a few exceptions. And not only have I read the NT, I have read the OT including the parts that are only roman catholic canon, seeing how I was in a catholic school
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:00
|
|
|
Bolocko posted:FTFY You cannot love your fellow man and take vengeance, moron. How is this even remotely ambiguous? I know you all think you're really smart because you graduated from community college and watch John Oliver but you lack the capacity to understand rudimentary logic. It's not your fault, God does not give equally, but boy am I glad to be a good seed adrift a sea of rotten ones.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:01
|
|
|
hog fat posted:You cannot love your fellow man and take vengeance, moron. How is this even remotely ambiguous? pot, kettle, etc
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:03
|
|
|
hog fat posted:boy am I glad to be a good seed adrift a sea of rotten ones. Fat does float, after all.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:03
|
|
|
hog fat posted:It's not a question of the fact of Moses existence, you ignorant slobs, but rather the teachings of the OT. And yes, they are clearly disavowed in the Gospel. Maybe instead of insults you might actually answer a question - is the OT a historical document according to Christians or not? I've read the New and Old Testament many times. Don't know if your branch of Christianity had a confirmation school or not, but we basically spent a month doing nothing but reading the Bible, that on top of the times I have read it on my own because I do consider it the most important book in the Western culture I also happen to be a part of. And my particular branch of Christianity certainly thinks that the Old Testament isn't a fable. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Apr 5, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:04
|
|
|
Agnosticnixie posted:The line about the fulfilment of the law meaning completely ignoring the OT is an extremely radical take that only a few dejudaizing sects would ever consider, now or historically. you've narrowly defined religion to mean 'the organized religions practiced by uneducated Southerners' which are not even religions but weird cultural vestiges of Antebellum. Go to any Church in any 'progressive' city and you'll find that my view is the majority one. also, I can name several luminaries who champion the view I've articulated but won't now because I'd like to believe that at least one of you has read a book that isn't a part of a fantasy series. hog fat fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Apr 5, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:07
|
|
|
hog fat posted:Here's one: Tolstoy said literally nothing other than the Gospel matters. The Gospel can be summarized as such: do good to/love your fellow man, suspend judgement and abstain from indulgence. Almost every Christian I have ever met follows in this tradition whether they've read Tolstoy or not. From your posting so far, you seem to fail at every one of these commandments. Perhaps you're full of poo poo?
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:10
|
|
|
hog fat posted:you've narrowly defined religion to mean 'the organized religions practiced by uneducated Southerners' which are not even religions but weird cultural vestiges of Antebellum. Go to any Church in any 'progressive' city and you'll find that my view is the majority one. I have not. This might amaze you but the catholic church has a bit of a history with fascism and there are very few fascist dictatorships they didn't actively provide moral support to, including a few nazi puppet states. Protestant churches also have a history of broadly opposing revolutionary movements and of being largely creatures of the state. Canadian mennonites actually used to publish nazi literature almost all the way to the war. Religion is ultimately an institutional power structure, personal spirituality is a modern phenomenon and even Tolstoy's christian mysticism was opposed by official religious institutions.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:11
|
|
|
Flowers For Algeria posted:From your posting so far, you seem to fail at every one of these commandments. Perhaps you're full of poo poo? if I can rouse even one of you from your slack-jawed atheistic stupor then I have done more good than all of your donations to the SPLC combined hog fat fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Apr 5, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:12
|
|
|
hog fat posted:if I can rouse even one of you from your atheistic, slack-jawed stupor I have done more good than all your donations to the SPLC combined Did you swallow a fedora?
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:13
|
|
|
hog fat posted:if I can rouse even one of you from your slack-jawed atheistic stupor I have done more good than all your donations to the SPLC combined And become an immoral and authoritarian idiot? No thank you. Religion is a disease and Christianity a particularly odious strain of it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:16
|
|
|
Agnosticnixie posted:I have not. This might amaze you but the catholic church has a bit of a history with fascism and there are very few fascist dictatorships they didn't actively provide moral support to, including a few nazi puppet states. Protestant churches also have a history of broadly opposing revolutionary movements and of being largely creatures of the state. Canadian mennonites actually used to publish nazi literature almost all the way to the war. *writes a bunch of poo poo in the same imperious tone as every atheist thinking they're dropping truth bombs on a highly educated white male* oh really? drat, no I didn't know that thing that every university promulgates as a matter of course the second you walk through their wrought-iron gates. please tell me more?
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:16
|
|
|
hog fat posted:*writes a bunch of poo poo in the same imperious tone as every atheist thinking they're dropping truth bombs on a highly educated white male* oh really? drat, no I didn't know that thing that every university promulgates as a matter of course the second you walk through their wrought-iron gates. please tell me more? Says the person who uses the expression "pearls before swine" unironically.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:17
|
|
|
Flowers For Algeria posted:And become an immoral and authoritarian idiot? No thank you. Religion is a disease and Christianity a particularly odious strain of it. couldn't agree more that organized religion is a particularly odious strain. but if you think Christianity is more sinister than Islam then you're an even bigger idiot than I suspect you are.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:18
|
|
|
hog fat posted:couldn't agree more than organized religion is a particularly odious strain. but if you think Christianity is more sinister than Islam then you're an even bigger idiot than I suspect you are. Christianity is the one you are defending, friend. I saw no reason to name any other religion in particular. hog fat posted:*writes a bunch of poo poo in the same imperious tone as every atheist thinking they're dropping truth bombs on a highly educated white male* oh really? drat, no I didn't know that thing that every university promulgates as a matter of course the second you walk through their wrought-iron gates. please tell me more? Maybe, just maybe, it's a matter of course because it's objectively right.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:20
|
|
|
hog fat posted:if I can rouse even one of you from your slack-jawed atheistic stupor then I have done more good than all of your donations to the SPLC combined I guess you are not actually interested in discussing anything, but thanks for providing (another) handy example of a Christian who doesn't give a flying gently caress about the Gospel. In case you still think every one you meet understands and lives by it, look in the mirror. People like you were a big part why I became an atheist, so I guess thanks in a way? 
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:23
|
|
|
Bolocko posted:Fat does float, after all. you can go ahead and take a look at my fitness log. I squat 5x5x205 completely untrained and will progress to a double bodyweight squat from untrained in a matter of months. I also have a photo posted, go ahead and take a look at my sinewy 6'4" 195 frame and prostrate yourself before me, you beta keyboard warrior. boy I wish you were in my dojo right now: I would inflict a world of pain upon you if provoked, as I would never willingly inflict violence on someone other than in self defense. Flowers For Algeria posted:Christianity is the one you are defending, friend. I saw no reason to name any other religion in particular. yes, and maybe just maybe what one sect of Christianity did hundreds of years ago, heck even fifty years ago, in no way represents the beliefs of adherents of Christianity as a whole? I don't see anyone blaming Buddhists for the genocide of the Tamilese, but that's because you cowards are utterly incapable of targeting anything other than Western values like the postmodernist mind-wizards want you to DarkCrawler posted:I guess you are not actually interested in discussing anything, but thanks for providing (another) handy example of a Christian who doesn't give a flying gently caress about the Gospel. In case you still think every one you meet understands and lives by it, look in the mirror. *doesn't believe in God because of the actions of other people* Religious people are so irrational. For science! 
hog fat fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Apr 5, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:27
|
|
|
hog fat posted:you can go ahead and take a look at my fitness log. I squat 5x5x205 completely untrained and will progress to a double bodyweight squat from untrained in a matter of months. I also have a photo posted, go ahead and look at my 6'4" 195 body and prostrate yourself before me, you beta keyboard warrior. boy I wish you were in my dojo right now: I would inflict a world of pain upon you if provoked, as I would never willingly inflict violence on someone other than in self defense. Every time I wake up I open palm slam the old testament into the trashcan
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:28
|
|
|
I gotta admit something, though: there is one thing that is the product of religion that is pretty good (if you ignore the message, but it's not that hard since it's in Latin): Vivaldi's Stabat Mater sung by a counter-tenor. Gregorian chants are also pretty soothing. Of course none of it was produced by Protestants, though, who are utterly unable to create anything moving.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:29
|
|
|
hog fat posted:
Do you also defend neo-Nazis by saying that they're not responsible for what Nazis might have done some sixty years ago, and shouldn't be put in the same bag?
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:33
|
|
|
Flowers For Algeria posted:I gotta admit something, though: there is one thing that is the product of religion that is pretty good (if you ignore the message, but it's not that hard since it's in Latin): Vivaldi's Stabat Mater sung by a counter-tenor. Poulenc and Reger's religious music is also amazing in general (which is kind of ironic as Reger was excommunicated and Poulenc was openly gay)
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:34
|
|
|
Panzeh posted:Every time I wake up I open palm slam the old testament into the trashcan Excellent. You can discard everything but the Gospel, anyways. I'm gonna go meditate because you've all sufficiently riled me from the state of carefully cultivated equanimity that I normally operate at. Keep on having trash beliefs and knocking the only bastion of Western culture remaining. I'll be studying Seneca while you fart-sniffers crack those banal Trump jokes you're so fond of
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:35
|
|
|
Agnosticnixie posted:I have not. This might amaze you but the catholic church has a bit of a history with fascism and there are very few fascist dictatorships they didn't actively provide moral support to, including a few nazi puppet states. Protestant churches also have a history of broadly opposing revolutionary movements and of being largely creatures of the state. Canadian mennonites actually used to publish nazi literature almost all the way to the war. But is it fair to single out religion for this? Hierarchy and Conservatism are just facts of life and have been facts of life forever. Tolstoy existed around the same time as many other Anarchists who were mostly Atheists. Liberalism growing in society effected the religious and the non-religious. Reactionary politics growing more popular effected the religious and the non-religious.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:35
|
|
|
Flowers For Algeria posted:Do you also defend neo-Nazis by saying that they're not responsible for what Nazis might have done some sixty years ago, and shouldn't be put in the same bag? Is that a serious question? Neo-Nazis, despite their abhorrent beliefs, are not responsible for what Nazis did sixty years ago you absolute mongoloid. You're a complete... no. Peace. May God grant you the happiness that I could not.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:36
|
|
|
Flowers For Algeria posted:Of course none of it was produced by Protestants, though, who are utterly unable to create anything moving. No love for J.S. Bach? John Tavener? Thomas Tallis?
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:39
|
|
|
hog fat posted:*doesn't believe in God because of the actions of other people* Religious people are so irrational. For science! Umm, read the post again, I did not say that was the sole reason why I don't believe in God. I am more then willing to expand on that if you would actually be willing to do anything else then shitpost. You, a particular religious person, in this case is very irrational because you get very easily goaded into what seems to be a tearful rage. I don't think religious people are irrational in every, or even most cases. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Apr 5, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:40
|
|
|
DarkCrawler posted:Umm, read the post again, I did not say that was the sole reason why I don't believe in God. I am more then willing to expand on that if you would actually be willing to do anything else then shitpost. there's room for more than just Bolocko in my pain palace, bud. To imply that I could be goaded into anything is absurd. I've been doing vipassana for three-months, metta for one. And congratulations, buddy, you just made it into the latter. hog fat fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Apr 5, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 12:48
|
|
|
hog fat posted:there's room for more than just Bolocko in my pain palace, bud. To imply that I could be goaded into anything is absurd. I've been doing vipassana for three-months, metta for one. And congratulations, buddy, you just made it into the latter. Man, can you at least keep religious mockery on your own faith? Well, claimed faith, since you really just seem to be all preach but no practice.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 13:09
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 19:16 |
|
|
hog fat posted:No I'm not, human being with a derivative Hitler avatar; I already said that the entire OT can be discarded. Christ himself did as much. But you wouldn't know that because you haven't read that which you have the gall to criticize. lol, you're accusing people of not reading the bible when you haven't even read Matthew 5:18.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2017 13:24
|
|
