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If you cast Approach of the Second Sun and respond by copying it, the first will resolve gaining you 7 and the second, which was cast from your hand, wins? Or does the copied one not count because when it was "cast" it wasn't Approach?
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Rinkles posted:A dev article said there will not be efficient self mill spells like Grapple or Commune with the Gods in this set, just FYI. I like being able to play 4x Grapple and 4x Vessel of Nascency in my standard deck. The card that was amazing in those decks was Satyr Wayfinder... That card was SO stupid powerful. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Apr 7, 2017 |
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Apr 7, 2017 15:03
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Salvor_Hardin posted:If you cast Approach of the Second Sun and respond by copying it, the first will resolve gaining you 7 and the second, which was cast from your hand, wins? Or does the copied one not count because when it was "cast" it wasn't Approach? It won't work, because the copy wasn't cast. It's the same reason a storm spell doesn't go on forever.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:04
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Salvor_Hardin posted:If you cast Approach of the Second Sun and respond by copying it, the first will resolve gaining you 7 and the second, which was cast from your hand, wins? Or does the copied one not count because when it was "cast" it wasn't Approach? You don't win, the first one you actually cast is the first time it was cast that game. Copied spells are not cast, so the copy and the cast spell will gain you 7 life.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:05
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Now put it under Eye Of The Storm and play stack chicken. Edit: Man I am still incapable of reading the words 'from your hand'
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Apr 7, 2017 15:07
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The token's kinda creepy
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Apr 7, 2017 15:08
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approach of the seven suns -> remand your own approach -> cast it again -> ez wins
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Apr 7, 2017 15:11
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I suppose I can't be mad at people for not RTFCing a card that's not even in English, but drat some of you aren't making it easy.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:19
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JerryLee posted:What makes you think that? It's part of the resolution of the spell just like everything else. I'm reading both potential effects of the card (win/gain life) as checking only to see if the spell is cast, not resolution. I feel like the way this card should read is: If Approach of the Second Sun was cast from your hand and you already cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun in this game, you win the game. Put Approach of the Second Sun in its owner's library seven cards from the top and you gain 7 life. So in this case, the lifegain clause is now independent of the casting check, and just happens as part of the spell resolving. Unless they worded it this way to avoid having a player win the game in the middle of casting a spell. Which is why I was wondering if the translation was off, the wording on the English version might make this cast vs. resolve check more explicit.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:22
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little munchkin posted:approach of the seven suns -> remand your own approach -> cast it again -> ez wins You did it! 2 card combo win on turn 15!
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Apr 7, 2017 15:25
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From Top Level Podcast, according to the link I saw on Tumblr EDIT: I wanna see Cycling-Control stuff. Not many Cycling counterspells, but Complicate exists. And that new Enchantment that makes Drakes Serperoth fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Apr 7, 2017 |
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Apr 7, 2017 15:29
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C-Euro posted:I'm reading both potential effects of the card (win/gain life) as checking only to see if the spell is cast, not resolution. I feel like the way this card should read is: All of the spell happens on resolution. The only thing that happens when you cast it is that the spell goes on the stack.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:31
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St0rmD posted:You did it! 2 card combo win on turn 15! contingency plan makes it in two turns.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:33
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C-Euro posted:I'm reading both potential effects of the card (win/gain life) as checking only to see if the spell is cast, not resolution. I feel like the way this card should read is: Triggered abilities always start with when, whenever or at. This starts with "if" (si). It's not a cast trigger.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:34
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Serperoth posted:From Top Level Podcast, according to the link I saw on Tumblr This is a sweet build-around, though having enough cards in hand on a stable board on turn 6 could be tricky. It's probably not good, but it is pretty sweet.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:34
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lol Gideon is dumb as hell and didn't realize what was going on.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:35
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Apr 7, 2017 15:37
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You are a beautiful, beautiful card.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:37
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YggdrasilTM posted:You are a beautiful, beautiful card. It's bad. Great flavor though.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:38
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I wish you could use the ability like Carpet of Flowers but for precombat main only.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:39
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Apr 7, 2017 15:40
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Modern Playable.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:41
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That river enchantment is sweet but I don't know what deck wants it outside of EDH. I hope one emerges for it. Barry Shitpeas posted:Triggered abilities always start with when, whenever or at. This starts with "if" (si). It's not a cast trigger. OK yeah that's where I'm getting tripped up, thanks.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:41
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mcmagic posted:Modern Playable. In what?
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Apr 7, 2017 15:41
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mcmagic posted:It's bad. Great flavor though. It's exactly the kind of card that I like. Iwill surely brew some U/G deck only to play with this.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:42
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YggdrasilTM posted:It's exactly the kind of card that I like. Iwill surely brew some U/G deck only to play with this. It'll be sweet in limited for sure.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:43
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TheKingofSprings posted:In what? Any green deck depending on what metagame you're expecting. Cycle G is awesome on cards like this.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:44
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Is this your first main phase or the mysterious pre-combat step that you can only get to by saying the correct lingo.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:46
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TheKingofSprings posted:In what? In general niche cards with cycling are pretty drat good. For example, maindeck relic of progenitus as a cantrip that randomly hoses some decks game 1, which was actually a thing when Dredge was huge. I'd expect this to show up maindeck in small numbers (depending on metagame). It's also a potential sideboard option against decks that only have like one artifact you care about (but it's really bad for you) - you have an answer if you need it, and if they don't draw the card you're scared of you can just cycle it for something else. But that second usage probably gets squeezed out due to limited sideboard space.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:48
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Jabor posted:In general niche cards with cycling are pretty drat good. For example, maindeck relic of progenitus as a cantrip that randomly hoses some decks game 1, which was actually a thing when Dredge was huge. In standard I think it depends on how much Magma Spray pushes Scrapheap Scrounger out of the format...
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Apr 7, 2017 15:50
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Jabor posted:In general niche cards with cycling are pretty drat good. For example, maindeck relic of progenitus as a cantrip that randomly hoses some decks game 1, which was actually a thing when Dredge was huge. Flexible sideboard options are generally the things that get squeezed last. I would imagine pros put a high premium on cycling.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:51
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Sickening posted:Flexible sideboard options are generally the things that get squeezed last. I would imagine pros put a high premium on cycling. SB cards that cycle are so frigging sweet since there are lots of games where you draw too many SB cards and they end up doing nothing. It also hedges you against SB'ing decisions your opponent might make like taking out their HoK's if they expect artifact hate.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:52
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Sickening posted:Is this your first main phase or the mysterious pre-combat step that you can only get to by saying the correct lingo. wait, are you serious? e: It's the first main phase. Says it right there on the card.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:53
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TheChirurgeon posted:wait, are you serious? Yes, pre-combat wording seems silly if its just your first main phase.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:55
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Sickening posted:Yes, pre-combat wording seems silly if its just your first main phase. The card explicitly says "precombat main phase".
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Apr 7, 2017 15:56
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This is a cool card that's really awkwardly worded in a way where you have to read it carefully 3 times to make sure you know what it's actually doing. So it does nothing the turn you play it, then on successive turns you alternate drawing a card or getting CGU? And somehow getting additional flood counters on it does nothing?
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Apr 7, 2017 15:57
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Sickening posted:Is this your first main phase or the mysterious pre-combat step that you can only get to by saying the correct lingo. No that's the future revisited Arabian set where Ali Baba must gain access to this mysterious
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Apr 7, 2017 16:02
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Sickening posted:Flexible sideboard options are generally the things that get squeezed last. I would imagine pros put a high premium on cycling. The problem with this is that it's flexible in-game - you get to choose whether you want the effect, or just another random card. That's not the kind of flexibility you're looking for in your sideboard, where you want cards that are high-impact against the specific decks you bring them in for. So generally you want cards that flex to being solid upgrades against a wider variety of decks, or that are just so ridiculously good against a narrow selection of decks that they justify their slots. Compare it to Naturalize, which has a larger selection of decks you'd consider using it against, or Ancient Grudge, which is similarly narrow but much more effective against the decks where it's relevant. The in-game flexibility (and the pretty high floor on usefulness) that you get from cycling is substantially more useful for maindeck cards, where you don't actually know going in whether a card is going to be useful against a particular opponent. That said, in this particular Standard this card is going to be a great sideboard answer to Heart of Kiran, since it answers it cleanly but isn't going to be dead when they don't draw the Heart (or you manage to answer it some other way first). I've definitely had bad experiences with Release the Gremlins being stranded while Gideon beats me down.
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Apr 7, 2017 16:02
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Hey it's the Nile River. Hey it's Naturalize with Upside.
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Entropic posted:This is a cool card that's really awkwardly worded in a way where you have to read it carefully 3 times to make sure you know what it's actually doing. Yep pretty much that's it to me. Cast upkeep: (remove) draw, counter upkeep: (remove) mana upkeep: (remove) draw, counter Etc
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