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Ragingsheep
Nov 7, 2009

Magna Kaser posted:

Does it have updated routes for subways and other public transport? Google maps in Chengdu is generally awful for that, but there's probably a lot less emphasis on here than in Shanghai. They don't add subway lines for months after they open up and buses are a complete non-starter with how often their routes change.

Maps.me seems to work much better as an alternate program if you wanna stay away from baidu/tencent/etc maps and is generally the one I recommend to android users since apple maps works OK-ish for iphone.


I was there 12 months ago and my background is Chinese so I was visiting a lot of family and friends in all parts of Shanghai and Google Maps gave better public transport directions than them. I think the riding the metro without any apps is fine in Shanghai if you know which station you need to get on and off at because there's English and Pingyin. As someone who can't read Chinese or speak Chinese very well, my biggest issue when I was previously visiting Shanghai was with catching the bus (where to get on and off) but I'm pretty confident I can get to wherever I want now.

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Def get a hep-B vaccine if you haven't, it's very common in China and spread by sharing food which you will be doing frequently. Japanese encephalitis is the other vaccine that's usually recommended in Asia.

a7m2
Jul 9, 2012


You absolutely don't need alipay. You can do weekend trips, just stay inside mainland China (not HK/Macau).

French Canadian
Feb 23, 2004

Fluffy cat sensory experience
I am looking at WeChat Pay and all that jazz and I guess I need to apply or something? Or is it supposed to be as simple as linking a credit card to PayPal for example? I do have WeChat app but I get the feeling that WeChat Pay is a separate app...

Ultimately I would want to link my business card and still be able to photo the receipts for expense filling. Does this sound reasonable or should I accept my fate and only eat at MacDonald's or wherever they take CCs?

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

French Canadian posted:

I am looking at WeChat Pay and all that jazz and I guess I need to apply or something? Or is it supposed to be as simple as linking a credit card to PayPal for example? I do have WeChat app but I get the feeling that WeChat Pay is a separate app...

Ultimately I would want to link my business card and still be able to photo the receipts for expense filling. Does this sound reasonable or should I accept my fate and only eat at MacDonald's or wherever they take CCs?

Wechat wallet is almost scary easy to set up. You need to have online/cell phone banking enabled for your account (same for alipay) and you just input your info, including your whole name as it appears on the bank info, and they send you a text to authenticate and then it just works. It's the same app, you click on "Me" in the bottom right then there's a "wallet" option you set it up in.

One thing is you need to enter your name exactly as it is in the bank info which means the order of things might be weird.

If your company is doing things the Chinese way then they need the for real fa piaos and those you need to physically get and it's a huge hassle. Getting one from Didi, for example, takes like 2 weeks and they actually ship it to you and this is a big reason why I still mostly take cabs.

Ragingsheep posted:

I was there 12 months ago and my background is Chinese so I was visiting a lot of family and friends in all parts of Shanghai and Google Maps gave better public transport directions than them. I think the riding the metro without any apps is fine in Shanghai if you know which station you need to get on and off at because there's English and Pingyin. As someone who can't read Chinese or speak Chinese very well, my biggest issue when I was previously visiting Shanghai was with catching the bus (where to get on and off) but I'm pretty confident I can get to wherever I want now.

That's good to know. In Chengdu it's real bad, looking right now it's missing 2 entire subway lines... one of which is over a year old.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
There's actually a 5 hour express bullet train from Shanghai to Beijing, it's always on time and runs 3 times a day. I did it last time to avoid the risk of bad aqi-related flight delays. Funny enough, the air was super nice on that day and Beijing had the lowest AQI in China. Oh well

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

TheReverend posted:

Hello China thread, I was told on Thursday they're gonna try to send me to Shanghai for 90 days in August.

It could be Shenzen, but I'm pretty sure it's Shanghai.

I have some questions I didn't see in the OP.

Do I need any special vaccines or anything?

Should I get an iPhone if I have a Google branded Android phone?

Is it possible to take a lot of weekend trips? I kinda want to go to HK/ Macau. (I like casinos).

I don't know poo poo about Shanghai so what's like the top 5 - 10 things I gotta go see my first week there? I'm a big dummy and all I can think to go see in China is the wall and the forbidden City. Obviously, there's more.

Also I hope there is a lot of duck and it's cheap! (Neither of which is true where I am from).

Oh welcome! August in Shanghai is really miserable and the weather can get up to mid 40's Celsius.

Banking:

For electronic payment services, you need:
Chinese ATM card - so no you can't use any VISA or bank card, I had to go to Shenzhen to set things up
A Chinese telephone number
Official ID like Passport / Resident Card

If you are only in China for 90 days, I'm not sure if it's really worth the hassle of setting up a bank account. I guess you can do it on a Saturday or weekend if you really wanted do. Once you have a bank account and bank card, it's really easy to set up Alipay/Wechat.

Stuff to do in Shanghai:

Shanghai is super flat and a rapidly urbanized city. There's a lot of western food to eat and enclaves of Japanese/Korean/French stuff. As for things to see, there's the usual Bund and lots of 1900's stone buildings still in place. I recommend going to the Martyr's museum and the tobacco museum. Unfortunately, there's not too much greenery in Shanghai and going outdoors takes a while. But at the very least you can take weekend trips to other cities easily, whether it's Japan, the lakes and marshes around Suzhou, a trip to Hong Kong, or to Beijing.

I'm a really big food and bar person. Definitely hit up the 4 seasons in Jing An, and try the Chinese restaurant there. Oddly enough the braised pork ribs there are pretty drat good compared to the usual dining places.

Oh and there's this guide and it's a good primer - http://www.sugarednspiced.com/ Most are hits

Jimmy Little Balls
Aug 23, 2009

Magna Kaser posted:

Wechat wallet is almost scary easy to set up. You need to have online/cell phone banking enabled for your account (same for alipay) and you just input your info, including your whole name as it appears on the bank info, and they send you a text to authenticate and then it just works. It's the same app, you click on "Me" in the bottom right then there's a "wallet" option you set it up in.

One thing is you need to enter your name exactly as it is in the bank info which means the order of things might be weird.

I had to do surname in all caps, first name all lowercase and then middle name starting with a capital letter, like:

LASTNAME firstname Middlename

That was a fun day trying to figure that poo poo out.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Magna Kaser posted:

That's good to know. In Chengdu it's real bad, looking right now it's missing 2 entire subway lines... one of which is over a year old.

Online maps of the Beijing system when I was there tended to be out of date; maps in stations tended to be current everywhere I went. (I only ever noticed a few stations being wrong, not whole new lines) The solution is to photograph or save to your phone the most accurate map you can find.

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

Thank you for your help, China goons.

Trammel
Dec 31, 2007
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caberham posted:

If you are only in China for 90 days, I'm not sure if it's really worth the hassle of setting up a bank account. I guess you can do it on a Saturday or weekend if you really wanted do.

If you get lucky with the bank teller and find one who speaks reasonable English, and go at a quiet time, with your passport & ideally a mobile number, you can get an account opened and a card issued on the spot, within about 30 minutes.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

TheReverend posted:

Thank you for your help, China goons.

i'm not sure i've ever seen these words organized in this way before

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

fart simpson posted:

Mods, please probate or ban this poster. We don't want people to think it's OK to come into this thread and crap it up with a lack of capitalization and grammar.

The Great Autismo! posted:

you don't have platinum loool

my how the tables have turned

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Speaking of things we said that we no longer believe, do you still feel the same about this?

The Great Autismo! posted:

I do hope that TWM does not, in fact, get hit by a bus and slowly die in the street.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
i love TWM and would never hope for his slow and painful death

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

Trammel posted:

If you get lucky with the bank teller and find one who speaks reasonable English, and go at a quiet time, with your passport & ideally a mobile number, you can get an account opened and a card issued on the spot, within about 30 minutes.

Yeah, there was a CCB right by the Hong Kong border and the whole process to setup my card was only 30 minutes. The counter didn't even accept cash and I had to walk to the atm to deposit 100 rmb to pay for the 20 rmb handling charge.

There were a few times when I was at a restaurant and forgot to bring my credit card, the restaurants don't take alipay and my bank card didn't have much money left. I had to beg fart for money through alipay account and deposited the money into my bank card. And from my bank card I paid the bill.

Thanks fart. And I love you gooooooons

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
I wish blood nose is around]

and simple fish and

lady galaga and the hk gang

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
i wish caberham wasn't blind and oblivious

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


your wish is granted, whats up?

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible
i have never in my life been in a situation where i consumed a service/product without being able to pay for it

Tom Smykowski
Jan 27, 2005

What the hell is wrong with you people?
That's because youre boring

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

What restaurant were you at? You asked for like 4000 RMB.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


He was eating cheap that day, even he has to save money sometimes.

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

LentThem posted:

i have never in my life been in a situation where i consumed a service/product without being able to pay for it

in high school once I went to dennys with some friends and thought I had money when I didn't but my good bud helped me out and paid for my grand slam so it was all good.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

Magna Kaser posted:

in high school once I went to dennys with some friends and thought I had money when I didn't but my good bud helped me out and paid for my grand slam so it was all good.

Dan lent me a dollar once in high school and charged me interest. He a fucker sometimes.

I should note that Dan is not a goon.

angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart
edit: i'm retarded

angel opportunity fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Mar 30, 2017

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

fart simpson posted:

What restaurant were you at? You asked for like 4000 RMB.

I was in beijing and wanted to pay for3 hotel rooms

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug

angel opportunity posted:

I got my wife to play 2-player FCM tonight. I made it a learning game by intentionally giving up the first to train and first to hire 3 people in one turn milestone. I opened with marketing trainee and then intentionally didn't take trainer on turn 2 while telling her to make sure she got trainer and RG turn 2. Once she had secured those milestones I held her hand a little bit longer until she understood how food sales worked, then somewhere around turn 6 I stopped helping her almost entirely and tried to win however I could.

She played a bit too well for me to really have had any chance to win. I think the game ended with her at over $300 and me at around $50 or so. The opening I did is completely non-viable in a 2p game, but it was a pretty fun way to teach the game 2-player and give the person you're teaching to a first game where they still have to try to win but won't just get crushed after just a few turns.

board game more like bored games

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

angel opportunity posted:

I got my wife to play 2-player FCM tonight. I made it a learning game by intentionally giving up the first to train and first to hire 3 people in one turn milestone. I opened with marketing trainee and then intentionally didn't take trainer on turn 2 while telling her to make sure she got trainer and RG turn 2. Once she had secured those milestones I held her hand a little bit longer until she understood how food sales worked, then somewhere around turn 6 I stopped helping her almost entirely and tried to win however I could.

She played a bit too well for me to really have had any chance to win. I think the game ended with her at over $300 and me at around $50 or so. The opening I did is completely non-viable in a 2p game, but it was a pretty fun way to teach the game 2-player and give the person you're teaching to a first game where they still have to try to win but won't just get crushed after just a few turns.

i did not understand one single sentence in this entire post

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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The Great Autismo! posted:

i did not understand one single sentence in this entire post

angel opportunity posted:

She played a bit too well for me to really have had any chance to win.

Odd, I figured you'd have used this one yourself quite a bit.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Stringent posted:

Odd, I figured you'd have used this one yourself quite a bit.

bro i bat 100%

angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart
lollll i was like really really mad that you guys quoted me from another thread, then I realized I accidentally posted that not in the board game thread...sorry!

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

angel opportunity posted:

lollll i was like really really mad that you guys quoted me from another thread, then I realized I accidentally posted that not in the board game thread...sorry!

I appreciated it. I learned about a new board game.

Lately my group has been into Rhodes which is p fun.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.
hey what up I made a thing

ASK us about working in a Chinese high school

:china:

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded
Nerds I'm moving to Wuhan in 2 weeks if any of you are near there I will happily buy you beer whilst you tell me things.

Trammel
Dec 31, 2007
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Vitamin P posted:

Nerds I'm moving to Wuhan in 2 weeks if any of you are near there I will happily buy you beer whilst you tell me things.

My advice is to try and learn Chinese in the next 2 weeks.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!
Interviewed with a company an alumni friend recommended for TESOL work in Beijing. Any quick tips for what I should expect for the Fall?

TheReverend
Jun 21, 2005

China goons, is the OP up to date regarding VPNs to us?. Which VPN is good now?! Heard some conflicting things about StrongVPN.

Trammel
Dec 31, 2007
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TheReverend posted:

China goons, is the OP up to date regarding VPNs to us?. Which VPN is good now?! Heard some conflicting things about StrongVPN.

OP posted:

SB35 hosed around with this message at Feb 20, 2015 around 16:15

The only VPNs I'd recommend are ExpressVPN (link contains referral code) and VyprVPN, with ExpressVPN for me being more expensive, faster & more reliable generally.

I could run the ExpressVPN linux client on a gateway box, to keep a GFW free WiFi at home in Xi'an 24/7. Alternatively, PureVPN offers SSTP (Windows only), which generally is left untouched by the GFW, but was much slower. VyprVPN android client seemed to work great on China Unicom (in Xi'an).

At one point I was paying for 3 VPN services + a cheap-rear end shadowsocks proxy. I think the GFW won.

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Express is often slow but reliable. Rumor is they have a deal with the government that lets them spy on the traffic in exchange for not being hosed with. Like everything with the GFW no one knows if it's true but China probably doesn't give a poo poo about whitey getting on Facebook so it shouldn't matter. I assume it's insecure.

Vypr is garbage for me, I regret buying it and wouldn't recommend. However the GFW is not consistent at all so it may be fine for you. If you get Vypr be sure to install it BEFORE you come, because it has a dumb installer program that is blocked by the firewall and also turns off any other running VPN so it cannot be installed inside China. I got it on my home laptop but can't put it on my work one.

NordVPN does not work inside China.

Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Apr 10, 2017

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