Wastrel_ posted:

Nasty recurring crash going around. For anyone suffering repeated crashes, this might be helpful.

Also, ridiculously, Mayhem Heat Street seems more difficult than DW Heat Street. We failed because there were 50 cops in the map when the assault banner on Wolfhud said Fade, which is stupid and ridiculous.

OVERKILL_Jules;135513901701278252 posted:

Hi,

So went through the suggestions. Picked up a couple of my favorites.

Overemployment:
Assaults last an additional 10% longer
Cloaker Toxin: When downed cloakers will drop a tear gas grenade, only shows at a much later crimespree around 150 maybe

Phalanx rush:
Shields use wider shields (Captain shields)

Sniper Rush:
Snipers can now spawn on the field.
Sacrifice: 10% chance for Medics to heal all law enforcers within a 7m radius upon death.

ZAP:
Chance for tasers to electrify nearby heisters on death for a short duration.

Bullzerker:
All bulldozers get a movement speed and damage buff when their face is exposed.
Heavy Artillery: Now when Bulldozers break your armor by shooting you, any excess damage will carry over to your health.

D.O.O.M Tactics:
Cops no longer have to reload their weapons. (does not include SWAT van turrets)
Cease To Feel Pain: Attacking unalerted guards no longer results in a 100% chance to kill them, but it does deal 2x more damage than normal.

Then some suggestions are just pure evil or genius… not sure.
What Keter, i don't see any ♥♥♥♥ing Keter:
There is a super heavy loot bag hidden somewhere on the map.
It is worth nothing. If a player looks directly at it, it has to be saved.

I also like to mention two elements we are trying to avoid in mutators:

• Mutators that enforce the player to obtain something to counter it. Like how a “players take explosion damage every 5 second” would force you to take the gage boost that cancel explosion damage.
  
• Mutators that take away or cancel player abilities. Like how a “player cannot use medic bag” would make the medic bag completely useless to the player.
  

Discendo Vox posted:

Doctor Shitfaced posted:

What would you suggest for additional modifiers Vox? Not a snarky question, I'm serious. I'm surprised you haven't already dropped a bunch of ideas.

TheObserver posted:

So it looks like the Team AI bots are getting an upgrade.

Gort posted:

Interested in this. Would be good if they could at least carry bags autonomously.

maswastaken posted:

Is throwing a bag directly into Hoxtonbot's spine not good enough?

TheObserver posted:

Hopefully that will work when you're stealthing a mission and accidentally fall off a building.

Tempest_56 posted:

Holy poo poo, bots are now 100% officially better than pubbies. There's no way they can go through with this, right? Three bots running around with rocket launchers, who have Inspire, who increase my ammo pickup and nearly double my interact speed? There's no possible way they can be serious about this.

TheObserver posted:

There's an open beta if you want to see the dev's original vision. Meanwhile on the Steam forums, you have people complaining that this will be the end of four-player games, due to hosts wanting at least one bot on their team. It's amusing, at least.

Tempest_56 posted:

Holy poo poo, bots are now 100% officially better than pubbies. There's no way they can go through with this, right? Three bots running around with rocket launchers, who have Inspire, who increase my ammo pickup and nearly double my interact speed? There's no possible way they can be serious about this.

UnknownMercenary posted:

Positives:
Bots move faster, they seem more resilient and harder to interrupt when doing manual revives. Inspire comes with a pretty long cooldown (even with 3 bots), and it's already an existing player ability so it doesn't feel OP.
Bot pathing seems to be improved, but I only tested it on one map (Golden Grin).
Not sure how they calculate bot damage now but they seem better at holding their own, at least on Deathwish. It's not going to be comparable to a player with a properly kitted gun and skill build, but I'll let it pass since bots have infinite ammo.

Negatives:
Bots still can't do objectives. They are still pretty useless with bag carrying.
I don't think bots should grant you extra abilities like they do now. The extra move/interact/reload speed etc feels pretty powerful. Extra ammo pickup with bots also feels a bit OP; yes bots don't get deployables but pickup is a thing that should just be revised in general.

Overall I don't think they will replace human players at all, but I do think they should reconsider some of those bot boosts, unless they are the same boosts that were planned as player boosts from Infamy 3.0. I didn't try it on a map with SWAT turrets yet, but if they haven't fixed the stunlocking issue, then bots are still a liability on maps where those will spawn.

Kammat posted:

If the beta is working on pathing it might have broken the police. Had a safe house raid I did solo with bots, and I ended up with half the wave standing in the parking lot by the windows going HURRHURR HURR

Tempest_56 posted:

Nah, that's been for a while. I've had it happen 2-3 times prior to today's update/the beta. Sometimes cops are just extra-dumb.

Discendo Vox posted:

They are removing the effect that reduces the number of police proportionately to the number of players. That's also what's causing the AI problems.