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Music and such can certainly add to a movie - but if your movie doesn't work as a silent, then you've made a bad movie.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Music and such can certainly add to a movie - but if your movie doesn't work as a silent, then you've made a bad movie.  What
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Apr 11, 2017 02:32
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Leavemywife posted:
These talkies are a fad, I tells ya! A fad!
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Apr 11, 2017 02:36
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I will only watch Singin' in the Rain with the sound off.
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Apr 11, 2017 02:39
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This is actually pretty straightforward, the images in a movie convey the most meaning. There are many movies where very little concrete material was written before shooting started, and they are celebrated or derided independent of that. This has come up before as the "Can you understand the plot without hearing anything in the movie?" test (which most movies pass), but it goes deeper than that.
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Apr 11, 2017 02:40
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Cacator posted:I will only watch Singin' in the Rain with the sound off. Singin' in the Rain totally works as a silent. Bad example!
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dont even fink about it posted:This is actually pretty straightforward, the images in a movie convey the most meaning. There are many movies where very little concrete material was written before shooting started, and they are celebrated or derided independent of that. I don't think most movies do and there really isn't a need too.
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Apr 11, 2017 02:43
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smg isn't saying that it would be the SAME without sound, but pick your favourite movie--it likely would make a decent amount of sense as a narrative without sound like, 'Alien' doesn't need dialogue
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Apr 11, 2017 02:44
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You can also probably listen to the audio tracks of a lot of movies and get the gist--not sure what's being argued here. Define "work."
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This "shoot it as a silent film" idea came back to the attention of many recently during George Miller's interview circuit surrounding Mad Max: Fury Road.George Miller posted:I was very influenced by a book written by the critic Kevin Brownlow called “The Parade’s Gone By.” He said the main part of the parade has gone by the advent of sound in cinema. This new language that we called cinema had mostly evolved in the silent era. What differentiated it from theater were the action pieces, the chase pieces. And I really got interested in that. Hitchcock had this wonderful saying: “I try to make films where they don’t have to read the subtitles in Japan.” And that was what I tried to do in “Mad Max 1,” and I’m still trying to do that three decades later with “Fury Road.” SlashFilm posted:George Miller’s own film education comes back to the earliest language of black and white, and silent films. He explained, I'd certainly like to see the idea explored by more directors. Of course, the "Black and Chrome" version of Fury Road still has the orchestral score and is described by Miller as the “purest and most-stripped down version of Fury Road you can imagine.” 
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Apr 11, 2017 02:52
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:There is nothing outside the pictures (and the usually-superfluous audio track). The crux of the issue is this statement. I would have gladly accepted the conceit that the "visuals are the most important part", but that was not what was said. Saying that there is nothing outside of the pictures, and that audio is superfluous, suggests a deep misunderstanding of film analysis and film-making. Especially considering some films use the synthesis of sound and image in really interesting ways to make whatever point or moment work, take this very famous moment from Cat People where both sound and image are perfectly utilized in order to sell the scare. Saying that sound is meaningless is just utter nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoXo8eeEdo0
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Apr 11, 2017 03:02
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Alehkhs posted:I'd certainly like to see the idea explored by more directors. Of course, the "Black and Chrome" version of Fury Road still has the orchestral score and is described by Miller as the “purest and most-stripped down version of Fury Road you can imagine.” Get that orchestral score out of here, that's a sound, I didn't come to movies for no sound, I came to movies for a long series of hundreds of thousands of images, each of which I look at for five seconds to deeply consider! 
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Apr 11, 2017 03:06
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porfiria posted:You can also probably listen to the audio tracks of a lot of movies and get the gist--not sure what's being argued here. Define "work." not really. take my example of Alien, for instance; yeah the score is brilliant and you'll get tone poem-esque feelings of unease and alien-ness when they're on the derelict ship, but with just visuals you could get very, very close to the actual goings-on in a way you couldn't with just audio i mean we're not debating that film is a primarily visual medium here in the film forum right?
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Waffles Inc. posted:not really. We are debating that audio is completely irrelevant to film. Try and keep up. I assume you can see and forums are primarily a visual medium.
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Apr 11, 2017 03:10
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If you have to resort to posts to make your point you have created a bad message board.
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Apr 11, 2017 03:15
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Waffles Inc. posted:not really. What about hit 1981 comedy-drama My Dinner with Andre? There's a reason they don't make silent films anymore. Movies with audio are just better. Just like pop music is better than poetry.
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Apr 11, 2017 03:25
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Karloff posted:This is incorrect. I've always thought it'd be nice if more posts around here read like my 10th grade English classes' mandatory McGraw-Hill textbook was talking down to me. (specifically a sidebar titled "Movies?" with a nice Wizard of Oz picture for illustration)
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Apr 11, 2017 03:26
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Hat Thoughts posted:I've always thought it'd be nice if more posts around here read like my 10th grade English classes' mandatory McGraw-Hill textbook was talking down to me. If it's down to that or Zizekian continental bullshit I choose The Matrix.
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Apr 11, 2017 03:29
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Hat Thoughts posted:I've always thought it'd be nice if more posts around here read like my 10th grade English classes' mandatory McGraw-Hill textbook was talking down to me. Consider the quality of posts that would inspire such 101-level condescension.
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Apr 11, 2017 03:50
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Thinking about it, John Wick would work pretty well without audio.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:32
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Conversely, and somewhat appropriately, there was a hearing loss awareness commercial/film where the imagery was designed to be as neutral as possible so that youd have to hear the audio to accurately tell if the couple were happy together or falling out of love by the end. Lots of neat tricks to distort dialog or cover mouths to avoid any visual cues or imperfect hearing, although at that point it is arguably a radio play with images.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:35
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CharlestheHammer posted:We are debating that audio is completely irrelevant to film. Jesus, he did say "usually". He didn't say "there has never been a movie with meaningful audio, ever" HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Singin' in the Rain totally works as a silent. Bad example! Maybe better, I'd entertain the idea that the music is a distraction from the dancing as much as a complement
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Apr 11, 2017 05:14
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DeimosRising posted:Jesus, he did say "usually". He didn't say "there has never been a movie with meaningful audio, ever" No he literally said audio was irrelevant. That's a thing he said.
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CharlestheHammer posted:No he literally said audio was irrelevant. Who cares? People enjoy film differently & it's not like that's a particularly explosive take, as you can see on this very page it's one shared by George Miller. At the very least try to explain why you find it fundamentally incorrect instead of gesturing towards a relatively straightforward argument about film like it's WILD, CRAZY AND INSANE and once you've paid for this VHS you WON'T see TEENS LIKE THIS anywhere ELSE
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Apr 11, 2017 07:10
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Hat Thoughts posted:Who cares? People enjoy film differently & it's not like that's a particularly explosive take, as you can see on this very page it's one shared by George Miller. It's an extremely hot take.
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Apr 11, 2017 07:11
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CharlestheHammer posted:It's an extremely hot take. 😝
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Apr 11, 2017 07:22
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Not any hotter than the person who said visuals don't tell the story.
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Apr 11, 2017 07:22
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A movie should "work" without sound just as it should "work" without images - all aspects of a movie should independently serve the "story", and when put together form a more compelling stereo overlay. Images and words are equally unimportant. The only thing that exists is you.
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Apr 11, 2017 07:24
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I just watched Richard Linklater's "Before Sunrise" without any sound and it wasn't very good to be honest
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Apr 11, 2017 07:44
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I watched the first XXX in a language I didn't speak with no subtitles, and I enjoyed it.
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Apr 11, 2017 07:53
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I have my porn transcribed frame by frame onto a series of pieces of toast, which I eat while jerking off.
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Apr 11, 2017 07:56
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I don't bother watching movies any more I just get a photocopy of the lead actor/actress headshot and fill in the blanks myself.
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21 Muns posted:Get that orchestral score out of here, that's a sound, I didn't come to movies for no sound, I came to movies for a long series of hundreds of thousands of images, each of which I look at for five seconds to deeply consider! I love La Jetée, too.
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Apr 11, 2017 09:18
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So anyway I'm excited for Thow Ragnarok. EDIT: Thor
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Apr 11, 2017 09:20
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Jonas Albrecht posted:So anyway I'm excited for Thow Ragnarok. It actually looks like a fun movie which the other two definitely weren't. Why the 'Guardians of the Galaxy' colouring though??
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Apr 11, 2017 09:39
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Olympic Mathlete posted:It actually looks like a fun movie which the other two definitely weren't. Why the 'Guardians of the Galaxy' colouring though?? If I had to hazard a guess, it's to standardize the look of Marvel's Space Stuff.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:If I had to hazard a guess, it's to standardize the look of Marvel's Space Stuff. Gotta love a movie with a nice standardized look
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Hat Thoughts posted:Gotta love a movie with a nice standardized look It's been almost a decade, we gotta come to terms with how bland Marvel's films look.
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Apr 11, 2017 10:02
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Jonas Albrecht posted:I watched the first XXX in a language I didn't speak with no subtitles, and I enjoyed it. To be fair, being aware that I didn't have to listen to the dialogue from XXX would increases my enjoyment of any situation. Having root canal work is an objectively better experience than having root canal work while listening to the audio from XXX.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:To be fair, being aware that I didn't have to listen to the dialogue from XXX would increases my enjoyment of any situation. Welcome to the xander zone! *drills* Doc: I live for this poo poo!
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