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Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

Like normally at this point I'd make fun of your position with something like "man I remember when MLK's black followers were like 'boy I hate letting black people vote, but I love the 15th Amendment" but I can't even say that. Kansas' position on this shitshow is too absurd for me to even parody properly.

Bah okay. Look.

Dems should focus on getting other red states to flip. I have no argument here. But Kansas was always going to be a close race, and I'm not losing sleep that Perez didn't throw money to save them from themselves. Dem strategy should be to shore up as much power as possible and then use Kansas as a cautionary tale of what happens when you blindly pull R and use that while convincing other red states to vote D.

Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Apr 13, 2017

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# ? May 9, 2024 22:32

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009; Inverted Offensive Battle: Acupuncture Attacks Convert To 3D Penetration Tactics Taking Advantage of Deep Battle Opportunities

SSNeoman posted:

We're not talking about people who lack equal rights due to racism, we're talking about people who took the rights they had and hosed them.

We're talking about people whose lives were ruined by free trade, deregulation, and the unraveling of the social safety net. They didn't face discrimination based on race, but they still were dealt some pretty terrible injustices. Some of that took place under Democratic administrations. One doesn't have to excuse their bad votes, to understand the role that third way Democrats played in alienating those voters.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 01:29

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

SSNeoman posted:

I'm far from a moderate my dude. You need to try harder than this weak poo poo.

You're not gonna compare my disdain for southern conservatives with racist whites of MLK's day. But go on and try. I can use a laugh.

Seriously, it's worth a reread. He's explicitly not calling out the racist whites of his day in that section. He is calling out the people who say "no, seriously, I'm on your side," but whose support mysteriously evaporates the second they are asked to do anything to make equality happen.

Much like yourself, whose ostensible support for Southern minorities is instantly and effortlessly outweighed by your desire to punish Southerners for daring to elect Republicans.

Let the minorities of Kansas be punished by a Republican party desperate for scapegoats. Let every protest be crushed by militarized police, let every black person thrown in jail's life be destroyed, let every prison be privatized and let everyone vaguely latin-looking be threatened with deportation. Let conversion therapy become official practice, and let any transgender person fear for their life when forced to choose a bathroom. Let abortion be criminalized alongside addiction, and replace any treatment programs with evangelical prayer sessions. Let the schools collapse into utter uselessness, so that every child foolish enough to be born to parents who can't afford private schools will pay as well.

Let all the weak, the poor, of Kansas suffer in agony.

Because SSNeoman thinks helping them would be ~haaaard~.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 01:40

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

SSNeoman posted:

Like normally at this point I'd make fun of your position with something like "man I remember when MLK's black followers were like 'boy I hate letting black people vote, but I love the 15th Amendment" but I can't even say that. Kansas' position on this shitshow is too absurd for me to even parody properly.

Bah okay. Look.

Dems should focus on getting other red states to flip. I have no argument here. But Kansas was always going to be a close race, and I'm not losing sleep that Perez didn't throw money to save them from themselves. Dem strategy should be to shore up as much power as possible and then use Kansas as a cautionary tale of what happens when you blindly pull R and use that while convincing other red states to vote D.

Oh, come on, the sociopathic monologue on the subject of how the weak deserve to suffer for the crime of being outvoted in a race you refused to support was great, why edit it away.

You so rarely see the Pragmatic Centrist's opinions of the filthy untermenschen expressed so openly.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 01:44

Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

I'm liking this rendition of "The Real Slim Shady" though "Would the real Pragmatic Centrist please stand up" loses a little something.

Ze Pollack posted:

Oh, come on, the sociopathic monologue on the subject of how the weak deserve to suffer for the crime of being outvoted in a race you refused to support was great, why edit it away.

You so rarely see the Pragmatic Centrist's opinions of the filthy untermenschen expressed so openly.

My monologue was how tired I was of these odious people. They willingly walk into the meat grinder. They willingly sell their rights if it means sticking to the party line and screwing over immigrants. They willingly walk into the gently caress barrel
We're not talking about simple gerrymandering here. We're talking about people who, by popular demand, chose all this:

Ze Pollack posted:

Let the minorities of Kansas be punished by a Republican party desperate for scapegoats. Let every protest be crushed by militarized police, let every black person thrown in jail's life be destroyed, let every prison be privatized and let everyone vaguely latin-looking be threatened with deportation. Let conversion therapy become official practice, and let any transgender person fear for their life when forced to choose a bathroom. Let abortion be criminalized alongside addiction, and replace any treatment programs with evangelical prayer sessions. Let the schools collapse into utter uselessness, so that every child foolish enough to be born to parents who can't afford private schools will pay as well.

Even in the blue district, the tally was 41k blue to 39k red. The one place which should know better than any of the other tiny rear end divisions still voted red in almost equal measures to blue. You're not gonna guilt me into feeling sorry for these people, let alone making me feel like I'm somehow complicit in their misery. Those are all your precious white southerners in action.

My other point in my monologue is that all this is a moot point anyway. Dems do need to press other red states, and if Kansas wants to be a teacher of what tea party politics look like, well there's nothing we can do now anyway. They need more power and we need to take it from the Republicans by any means necessary.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 02:00

Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

sudo rm -rf posted:

For someone who's only speaking for themselves you sure do know a lot about the desires and motivations of people who aren't you.

In my experience when people say "centrists" esp as a pejorative they're referring mainly to centrists in the Democratic party leadership. Maybe sometimes they just mean any old moderate Democrat? YMMV :shrug:

# ? Apr 13, 2017 02:02

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009; Inverted Offensive Battle: Acupuncture Attacks Convert To 3D Penetration Tactics Taking Advantage of Deep Battle Opportunities

SSNeoman posted:

My monologue was how tired I was of these odious people. They willingly walk into the meat grinder. They willingly sell their rights if it means sticking to the party line and screwing over immigrants. They willingly walk into the gently caress barrel

Do they? Or are they simply normal people who don't have the time, energy, or mental bandwidth to pay attention to politics?

I think you're making a mistake in assuming that they are as aware of the odiousness of the Republican Party as you or I are.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 02:04

Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

SSNeoman posted:

They need more power and we need to take it from the Republicans by any means necessary.

...except in KS-04, because it's too drat expensive and those fuckers deserve it anyway.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 02:05

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

SSNeoman posted:

My monologue was how tired I was of these odious people. They willingly walk into the meat grinder. They willingly sell their rights if it means sticking to the party line and screwing over immigrants. They willingly walk into the gently caress barrel
We're not talking about simple gerrymandering here. We're talking about people who, by popular demand, chose all this:

Even in the blue district, the tally was 41k blue to 39k red. The one place which should know better than any of the other tiny rear end divisions still voted red in almost equal measures to blue. You're not gonna guilt me into feeling sorry for these people, let alone making me feel like I'm somehow complicit in their misery. Those are all your precious white southerners in action.

My other point in my monologue is that all this is a moot point anyway. Dems do need to press other red states, and if Kansas wants to be a teacher of what tea party politics look like, well there's nothing we can do now anyway. They need more power and we need to take it from the Republicans by any means necessary.

"who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will."

Perhaps, some day, the convenient season will come, and on that day you will be willing to lift a finger to aid all those filthy, odious minorities who deserve to be punished for being outvoted by republicans.

For some reason MLK doubted you when you said it, though.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 02:08

Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

Man if we got to take back power from Republicans by any means necessary and "any means necessary" doesn't seem to include "try to win winnable elections" then I don't know what the gently caress we're going to do :confused:

# ? Apr 13, 2017 02:12

Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

Majorian posted:

Do they? Or are they simply normal people who don't have the time, energy, or mental bandwidth to pay attention to politics?

I think you're making a mistake in assuming that they are as aware of the odiousness of the Republican Party as you or I are.

Racism still plays a big part in it, but I can take your point here. That's an uphill battle though. Getting them aware of politics was a hard task before, but now they are completely distrustful of mainstream media and prefer to live in their bubbles of Fox and Breitbart. CNN et al have not helped matters either, preferring to press the both sides equally bad narrative.
There is definitely a contingent who will listen to democrats, and I do agree Dems need to do more for these people, but there is a cultural wall they need to break.

At the same time though, this isn't rocket science. I don't care how apolitical you are, there must be a sense of self-preservation in you. I cannot believe that a white guy looks at the Kansas, looks at his government, looks at recent history and cannot connect the dots. I get it when people vote for stop-and-frisk, it's absolutely possible to be unaware how racially abusive the practice is. I cannot believe people do not connect the actions of the government to their state's huge problems. When schools start closing, that should be a wake-up call. If it's not, you're either willfully ignorant or actively malicious.

If you wrote that about any other red state, I'd agree with you completely. But I cannot do this for Kansas. To vote for R in this cycle is to be politically comatose.

Ze Pollack posted:

"who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will."

Perhaps, some day, the convenient season will come, and on that day you will be willing to lift a finger to aid all those filthy, odious minorities who deserve to be punished for being outvoted by republicans.

For some reason MLK doubted you when you said it, though.

oh my loving god what a post.

im sort of in awe. like drat i wish i could shitpost like this. It's got a little of everything; mlk, assuming I'm talking down to southern minorities instead of southern whites and ending with a parting shot that equates the plight of white southern conservatives and blacks.

good poo poo. I changed my mind this thread is :five:

worthy now.

Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Apr 13, 2017

# ? Apr 13, 2017 02:24

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

SSNeoman posted:

im sort of in awe. like drat i wish i could shitpost like this. It's got a little of everything; mlk, assuming I'm talking down to southern minorities instead of southern whites and ending with a parting shot that equates the plight of white southern conservatives and blacks.

A whole lot of woke lords don't give a poo poo about helping minorities, they're just in it to poo poo on some white people. Nevermind that dismantling systemic oppression takes buy in from everyone, they'd sooner let minorities suffer if it meant loving over enough white people.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 04:23

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

SSNeoman posted:

Like normally at this point I'd make fun of your position with something like "man I remember when MLK's black followers were like 'boy I hate letting black people vote, but I love the 15th Amendment" but I can't even say that. Kansas' position on this shitshow is too absurd for me to even parody properly.

Bah okay. Look.

Dems should focus on getting other red states to flip. I have no argument here. But Kansas was always going to be a close race, and I'm not losing sleep that Perez didn't throw money to save them from themselves. Dem strategy should be to shore up as much power as possible and then use Kansas as a cautionary tale of what happens when you blindly pull R and use that while convincing other red states to vote D.

why do you want repubs to have uncontested power in kansas? why are you blaming red state voters for voting republican when the dems have drat near no presence in the state and are afraid of even being seen?

# ? Apr 13, 2017 05:22

Polygynous: Dec 13, 2006; welp

Condiv posted:

why do you want repubs to have uncontested power in kansas? why are you blaming red state voters for voting republican when the dems have drat near no presence in the state and are afraid of even being seen?

what, you mean I can stop punching myself? that's crazy talk.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 05:25

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

SSNeoman posted:

This isn't an Electorial College. The majority chose this. They can live out the consequences. I'm done having pity for these people.

Or are you suddenly gonna play the part of the good liberal where we need to give folks a chance?

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/kansas-house-special-election-district-4 look at this. Look at this stupid poo poo. 63,000 people looked at post-Brownback Kansas and decided "I mean you know what, why break with tradition/the emails/Islam/MSM/LIEBERALS/ehatever the gently caress" and pulled the red lever

You see those pretty little red squares with like less than 500 people? Those are the people who will get hit the hardest by this decision. This is the much-fabled "base". Let em ride it out.

my family's voted dem in every election back to my grandpa. but they live in a red state. guess they get to get punished too so you can teach them a lesson

# ? Apr 13, 2017 05:26

Grognan: Jan 23, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

After watching sincere posts by people in this thread in another thread declaring they would rather have 20 years of complete republican rule rather than admit they were wrong, I am not really surprised the same people are poo poo posting.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 05:28

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

sudo rm -rf posted:

It's possible to be a dyed-in-the-wool socialist and still think third-party voters are dumb as hell.

he attacked third party voters in blood red states where dems don't have a snowballs chance in hell. that's tilting at windmills, cause while a third-party can't win there, neither can a dem thanks to the national dems abandoning these states.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 05:31

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

If someone chooses to suffere, how does me not stopping them make it my fault?

I like the idea of not treating whole populations like they have to be coddled for making their own decisions. If you make the best arguments you can to them, and they still choose to suffer, welp...

This is not the same as saying the person is voting against their own self interest therefore they should be educated kind of poo poo either. Let these people choose their own government, and let them continue to wonder why Kansas isn't economically successful.

why not coddle this guy, who gets little to no funds from the DNC?

Oklahoma Democratic Party Chairman posted:

2016 was a Trump tornado and some very good Democratic candidates were its casualties. This cycle shows that Oklahoma, as well as the nation, is ready for a change. The establishment elite and political power brokers have failed us all.

What I fear Oklahomans have not yet realized is that in Oklahoma, the establishment and the political power brokers the Republican Party.

The question Oklahomans should ask is: Will the Republican Party heed the winds of change and go in a new direction? Will the Republicans stop favoring the elite and start taking care of grassroots people and their needs?

The Democratic Party has paid attention. We are going to be the voice of change for the people. And that voice will make the 2018 election picture very different.

it sure would be nice if his party wasn't emaciated from no funds because everything that comes in gets hoovered up by the national party to throw at terrible outreach like this:

https://vimeo.com/185625717

# ? Apr 13, 2017 05:41

Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

Condiv posted:

actually you do

your conduct wrt third party voters is proof enough of that

Oh! NOW I remember you! You were in that dumb as poo poo third-party voter thread ahahahaha. Did you give me my custom title this time too?

Ahahaha so what, you voted for The Johnson? Or you know someone who did? what was their excuse, RAISING AWARENESS?

# ? Apr 13, 2017 05:49

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

SSNeoman posted:

Oh! NOW I remember you! You were in that dumb as poo poo third-party voter thread ahahahaha. Did you give me my custom title this time too?

Ahahaha so what, you voted for The Johnson? Or you know someone who did? what was their excuse, RAISING AWARENESS?

nah i voted gloria la riva. and no i didn't give you your red text you baby. i haven't even gotten around to buying an avatar again after hillary lost, so why do you think i have $10 to waste on giving you a title?

# ? Apr 13, 2017 05:52

Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

Condiv posted:

nah i voted gloria la riva. and no i didn't give you your red text you baby. i haven't even gotten around to buying an avatar again after hillary lost, so why do you think i have $10 to waste on giving you a title?

something to be said about supporting lost causes so ardently

# ? Apr 13, 2017 05:57

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

SSNeoman posted:

something to be said about supporting lost causes so ardently

i've supported the dems all my life, so yeah i've been supporting a lost cause pretty ardently

or at least you would have it be a lost cause since you're against helping red states elect democrats

# ? Apr 13, 2017 06:00

Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

Condiv posted:

i've supported the dems all my life, so yeah i've been supporting a lost cause pretty ardently

or at least you would have it be a lost cause since you're against helping red states elect democrats

Shame she's not a dem tho

# ? Apr 13, 2017 06:03

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

SSNeoman posted:

Shame she's not a dem tho

a dem didn't run for the presidency. a corporate stooge did. i'd have still voted for her if i lived in a purple state, but i don't. i don't because dems have left my states and others like kansas uncontested for so long. and now you're arguing that we should just leave them red forever to teach people a lesson

the craziest part of this is you're arguing that for kansas now, when kansas just showed it's winnable if we gave some effort. the guy who ran was a pretty typical democrat, not some out there crazy lefty. it would've been good if we'd got that seat and it was a huge misstep for the national party not to step in and support him like the repubs did their candidate.

Condiv fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Apr 13, 2017

# ? Apr 13, 2017 06:07

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

the government here is basically letting businesses regulate themselves wrt workers compensation. they also let the companies set timeframes for treatment, where if you aren't better by time the window closes, too bad. sure would be nice if we had a stronger dem party that could help fight back against such abuses, but the dems have left the state party with practically no funding for a long time. now we have situations where not one county goes blue in elections anymore

by letting the republicans be the only voice you let extremism (see: trump's fascism) grow, and enable extremist psycho republican senators and house members at the same time! seems like a bad idea, thankfully perez has thought up this thing called a 50-state strategy, where we fight in every state at every level

# ? Apr 13, 2017 06:18

Name Change: Oct 9, 2005

I dunno, like, whatever man. If loving Kansas swung 20 points blue with no money from the DNC, well, if that happened across the U.S. it would be the end of congressional Republicans for a long-rear end while.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 06:45

Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

dont even fink about it posted:

I dunno, like, whatever man. If loving Kansas swung 20 points blue with no money from the DNC, well, if that happened across the U.S. it would be the end of congressional Republicans for a long-rear end while.

Just ignore him, the sort of guy who proably yells WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! into people's faces. He still hasn't figured out FPtP in half a year

# ? Apr 13, 2017 06:56

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

Gonna be real funny when Dems take the House in 2018

# ? Apr 13, 2017 07:35

Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

ooo good one

I like the way you think

# ? Apr 13, 2017 08:00

Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Gonna be real funny when Dems take the House in 2018

Condiv makes a good point about extremism though. When you leave entire states to twist in the wind and become a one-party GOP government, they become a crucible for all sorts of wickedness which is then exported elsewhere. We should try to keep fascists completely shut out of the national government, and not just be satisfied if there aren't enough of them to form a ruling coalition.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 08:21

Name Change: Oct 9, 2005

Kilroy posted:

Condiv makes a good point about extremism though. When you leave entire states to twist in the wind and become a one-party GOP government, they become a crucible for all sorts of wickedness which is then exported elsewhere. We should try to keep fascists completely shut out of the national government, and not just be satisfied if there aren't enough of them to form a ruling coalition.

Good luck persecuting them man, but if you want to win in the marketplace of ideas all you have to do is market.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 08:25

Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

dont even fink about it posted:

Good luck persecuting them man, but if you want to win in the marketplace of ideas all you have to do is market.

Too bad the DNC can't even be bothered to do that in places like Kansas.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 08:36

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

dont even fink about it posted:

Good luck persecuting them man, but if you want to win in the marketplace of ideas all you have to do is market.

that's what i'm advocating for. dems don't market in red states right now at all. the dnc has left those state level parties high and dry

# ? Apr 13, 2017 08:58

Mormon Star Wars: Aug 13, 2005; It's a minotaur race...

Majorian posted:

This is...kind of a ghoulish viewpoint. People deserve health care and a living wage not because they deserve it, but because these are human rights. The fact that a bunch of low-information voters whose quality of life has plummeted got bamboozled by a conman shouldn't strip them of those rights.

"Am I my brother's keeper?" -Democratic poster boy Cain.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 09:18

Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

dont even fink about it posted:

I dunno, like, whatever man. If loving Kansas swung 20 points blue with no money from the DNC, well, if that happened across the U.S. it would be the end of congressional Republicans for a long-rear end while.

Like dude, Condiv voted for a party in 2016 which had a record high of 70k votes. 60k from California. Now if next election they get 20 times that number, they'll finally be able to take the Green party's spot on the bench of irrelevancy.

effective as gently caress leftism itt

# ? Apr 13, 2017 10:46

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

SSNeoman posted:

Like dude, Condiv voted for a party in 2016 which had a record high of 70k votes. 60k from California. Now if next election they get 20 times that number, they'll finally be able to take the Green party's spot on the bench of irrelevancy.

effective as gently caress leftism itt

as effective as voting for a dem in a state dems weren't going to win actually. are you sure you understand how the EC works? or do you actually think oklahoma was gonna swing blue in 2016?

# ? Apr 13, 2017 11:08

Hail Mr. Satan!: Oct 3, 2009; by zen death robot

It's nice to see Dems applying the theory of saving "political capital for no actual gain" to actual monetary capital

# ? Apr 13, 2017 11:20

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

SSNeoman posted:

Like dude, Condiv voted for a party in 2016 which had a record high of 70k votes. 60k from California. Now if next election they get 20 times that number, they'll finally be able to take the Green party's spot on the bench of irrelevancy.

effective as gently caress leftism itt

If you live somewhere the Dems have abandoned a third party candidate is about as politically relevant as Hillary, except your vote might help push a third party to greater visibility. The popular vote is meaningless trash and running up the score doesn't mean anything if you're not going to flip EVs.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 11:20

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

Condiv posted:

as effective as voting for a dem in a state dems weren't going to win actually. are you sure you understand how the EC works? or do you actually think oklahoma was gonna swing blue in 2016?

When we lived in Oklahoma last year my wife registered as a Republican so she could at least pick the least bad Republican running for local offices in their primary, since that was the only vote that really mattered. I bet there's a lot of would be Democrats in red states that the Dems have abandoned who do the same thing.

# ? Apr 13, 2017 11:23

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# ? May 9, 2024 22:32

Seraphic Neoman: Jul 19, 2011

Not a Step posted:

If you live somewhere the Dems have abandoned a third party candidate is about as politically relevant as Hillary, except your vote might help push a third party to greater visibility. The popular vote is meaningless trash and running up the score doesn't mean anything if you're not going to flip EVs.

Oh good, another person with no fuckin clue how FPtP works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

# ? Apr 13, 2017 11:31

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