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And in any case, they all sprang from the Kievan Rus, and thus Russian and Belorussian are mere dialects of Ukrainian.
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Truga posted:I'm from Slovenia and we have like 30 dialects. Many are close to vanilla slovenian, some are entirely different and will share only a word or two with the base language for the same sentence, sometimes even with different grammar. The one people across the Mura river speak is *completely* bonkers, influenced by Magyar. I know a guy finishing a PhD in Slovene linguistics and literature who did a lot of work during his masters with cataloging dialects. Despite all of this he still misses half of what people are saying in those weird Prekmurja dialects. My aunt married a guy from Primorska near the Italian border. We didn't have a problem understanding him when he spoke "clean" Slovenian to my aunt or us, but when he was with friends from the region and they fell back into their local dialect peppered with Italian loan words, forget it.
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i love my dead gay peninsula
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mobby_6kl posted:That's crazy stuff, next you're going to tell me Belorussian and Ukrainian and just dialects of Russian! They're so much not the same Ukraine has to fine it's radio stations for broadcasting in Russian too much https://www.facebook.com/Nacrada/photos/a.587783271335276.1073741828.587761121337491/1211518648961732/?type=3&theater
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A Pale Horse posted:How can such a tiny country with only 7 million people have such radically different dialects? I mean that sincerely, I want to know. It seems strange to me. Poland has nearly 40 million people and is at least 4 times the land size of Serbia (don't feel like looking it up, so I'm guessing) and there's nary a person I couldn't communicate with despite having some regional accents (Gorale, Kashubians, Silesians) and loan words (mostly from German in silesia). I mean, maybe I'd have trouble with a drunken Goral but even that I'm pretty sure I could handle. Is it an artifact of history, were the population separated from each other in some way? I know almost nothing of the history of the Balkans (shamefully) but I'd like to know. I think Poland is more the anomaly here, possibly due to its relative cultural & linguistic stability over a long time, imperialistic partitionings notwithstanding. Even my tiny country has sections that just straight up don't understand each other, with one area (Frisia) being so weird that their dialect is officially a different language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_dialects
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rear end struggle posted:Slovenians are hill Germans who eat horse and makadonians are some illyrians who got trapped and started speaking some proto language that just happens to sound slavic joke is on you, all of that is actually a compliment
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During the short-lived Kingdom of Yugoslavia, there had been an attempt to smush Slovenian into Serbo-Croat. I have no idea how far this project had ever come along in any concrete sense.
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Apr 12, 2017 16:36
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The hill Germans and illyrians were intended as compliments
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Hill Germans doesn't make sense, Slovenia and Germany don't even share a border. A colorful local insult is "Vienna stable boys", used for both Slovenes and Croats. The implication is that they were servants in the Austro-Hungarian empire.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Hill Germans doesn't make sense, Slovenia and Germany don't even share a border. As you can see here, the Slovenes are clearly labeled as part of the Slavic Germans group. Science has spoken.  Also, this is the one true guide to understanding the subtleties of Yugoslav ethnicities. 
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I want to learn more about the Ice Cream Slavs.
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Cat Mattress posted:I want to learn more about the Ice Cream Slavs. Albanians have a strong tradition of owning jewelries, cake shops and bakeries. They used to own the vast majority of them in Yugoslavia. These days it's less pronounced but still if you buy ice cream in a cake shop chances are it will be from Albanians. They are not Slavs by the way.
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SaltyJesus posted:As you can see here, the Slovenes are clearly labeled as part of the Slavic Germans group. Science has spoken. Thank you for reposting this, I've lost this picture and couldn't find it anywhere. I would also like for you to update it to also include Irish into Northern Slav category, for that was a gross error on my part and it must be amended post haste! EDIT: Come to think of it, I think you can also remove Welsh from that group, I think they've suffered enough. fuck off Batman fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Doctor Malaver posted:Hill Germans doesn't make sense, Slovenia and Germany don't even share a border. 
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So in Novi Sad there's been a bit of a split in the left-wing camp between the communists and the liberals. One of the communist leaders gave a little speech that went a little something like this: "While those who live from their own labor and without whom this society wouldn't work are fighting for survival, criminals called foreign investors are living large, growing fat on state subventions and tax cuts. While education is becoming less accessible to an ever large number of people, some sorts are buying their doctorates. While foreign looters are colonizing our country, our people flee to where they can actually earn enough for a living. Such a system has its name, and it's called capitalism. Capitalism is when a sick worker is asked if they've been insured, but a tycoon is not asked how they gained their first million" (Note: Foreign looters are USA, EU, UAE, Russia, and China) On an unrelated note, my dad is now receiving offers for membership in Marxist Facebook groups, which is loving hilarious because he's saying things like "hey maybe we should listen to the workers instead of freaking out when someone makes a speech about their plight and calls out capitalism for being poo poo" and that translates into full communism in the minds of some. Dusty Baker 2 fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:"While those who live from their own labor and without whom this society wouldn't work are fighting for survival, criminals called foreign investors are living large, growing fat on state subventions and tax cuts." For the record, this isn't exaggeration. Foreign "investors" sign shady contracts for prices lower than just the cost of the land they're buying/leasing and then workers in those factories work in conditions worse than in any US "at-will employment" / "right-to-work" states. Disaster capitalism was a great success here.  "Harry Potter and the Ethnic Relations of Serbs With Other Peoples and Ethnic Communities" gently caress off Batman posted:Thank you for reposting this, I've lost this picture and couldn't find it anywhere. I would also like for you to update it to also include Irish into Northern Slav category, for that was a gross error on my part and it must be amended post haste! I've been thinking, it's high time the Portuguese got recognized in a formal capacity. What would you suggest for the nomenclature? Sadness Slavs Spanish Slavs Ocean Slavs something totally different? SaltyJesus fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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SaltyJesus posted:I've been thinking, it's high time the Portuguese got recognized in a formal capacity. What would you suggest for the nomenclature? Moorish Slavs.
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SaltyJesus posted:Sadness Slavs Isn't that redundant?
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Cat Mattress posted:Isn't that redundant? Extra Sadness Slavs
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also there is a ever growing number of slavs by marriage, which recently included the entire United States of America
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TheWeepingHorse posted:During the short-lived Kingdom of Yugoslavia, there had been an attempt to smush Slovenian into Serbo-Croat. it worked, am slovene and i loving love čevapčiče
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It's all descendants of Great Lechia anyway.
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Lechistan posted:It's all descendants of Great Lechia anyway. this
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is that where we South Slavs got the appetite for partitioning from? 
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So stepping away from ethnic stuff for a moment: the European Court of Human Rights has held Russia responsible for not doing enough to prevent events at Beslan: quote:In today’s Chamber judgment in the case of Tagayeva and Others v. Russia (application http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/app/conve...20attack%20.pdf
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That snip makes it sound like they were criticized for letting the siege happen, but they were also criticized for using tanks and flamethrowers in what was supposed to be a hostage rescue.
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Apparently Kazakhstan is going to switch to Latin script (from Cyrillic) within the next couple of years.
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Those are mountain Nazis. Slovenians have the essential oils of hill nemets big diff This is all very offensive to me
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Jesus Christ, at least learn the proper slurs if you are going to troll. Austrians are the cliff shitters.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Apparently Kazakhstan is going to switch to Latin script (from Cyrillic) within the next couple of years. Wow, really? Source on that?
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COOL CORN posted:Wow, really? Source on that?
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Welp. I guess the rights of Russian minorities in northern Kazakhstan will have to protected from this blatant cosying up to the west right about now.
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Heh, Erdogan and our wannabe great leader wore the same outfit to election, awkwaaaaaarrddd. . .
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SaltyJesus posted:I've been thinking, it's high time the Portuguese got recognized in a formal capacity. What would you suggest for the nomenclature? Brazilian Slavs
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I thought I'll ask itt, since there are a lot of actually smart and knowledgeable people reading. Can someone recommend a good book on the economy of the USSR during the Brezhnev years? Especially on the economic decay and food insecurity. Preferably something pop-sciency(not exactly academic level, but also slightly above "Everyone poops")
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Apparently Kazakhstan is going to switch to Latin script (from Cyrillic) within the next couple of years. good and cool
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I thought I'll ask itt, since there are a lot of actually smart and knowledgeable people reading. Can someone recommend a good book on the economy of the USSR during the Brezhnev years? Especially on the economic decay and food insecurity. Preferably something pop-sciency(not exactly academic level, but also slightly above "Everyone poops") Probably not 100% what you're looking for but "Towards a New Socialism" has it's first chapters about why the soviet economy didn't work and was pretty much doomed to stagnate and fail even without the big bad west antagonizing it. Here's a key bit "What can be learnt from the failure of Soviet socialism? The crisis of Soviet socialism appears to stem from two sources. On the one hand there is popular revulsion against the undemocratic and authoritarian practices of old-style Soviet politics, and on the other hand there is a widespread sense that the basic economic mechanisms in operation since the 1930s have outlived their usefulness, and that to retain these mechanisms would condemn the peoples of the (erstwhile) USSR to stagnant standards of living and chronic shortages of consumer goods. Compared with the evident continuing vi- tality of the advanced capitalist economies, such conditions became increasingly intolerable to the people. To some extent these two issues are linked. As the USSR moved from the era of Stalin to that of Brezhnev, the earlier system of terror and compulsion was mitigated. At the same time, however, the pioneering spirit that had animated broad layers of the Soviet population during the early years of socialist construction, and also during the resistance to fascism, eroded. In other words, both pillars of the Soviet mode of extraction of a surplus product (in a planned yet undemocratic system) were undermined. It should also be noted that Stalin was not averse to using substantial wage differentials as a means of stimulating work effort, while Brezhnev moved towards a more egalitarian policy. Socialists can applaud egalitarianism, of course, but if individualistic monetary incentives are undermined there is nonetheless a need to promote other kinds of incentives—for instance those stemming from a sense of democratic participation in a common endeavour. And if good work is not to be rewarded by much higher pay, it still must be rewarded (and be seen to be rewarded) by opportunities for promotion and advancement. Such alternative incentives were almost completely absent in the corrupt and cynical political culture of the Brezhnev period. Apathy became widespread. While an earlier generation had known socialism as a noble ideal— imperfectly realised or perhaps even gravely distorted in the Soviet Union, but still worth upholding—an entire generation grew up under Brezhnev for whom the Soviet Union and socialism were simply equated, as in the system’s, as in the system’s own propaganda. If they hated the Soviet system, then they hated socialism." With family who grew up during that period they all say the same thing. Life was... ok but no one had any drive. No one was energized and there was no reward, material or social or emotional, for doing a good job or going above and beyond. It was total emotional stagnation, people had nothing to believe in and were stuck in a system where being lazy and cutting corners wasn't really punished and working hard or giving a poo poo wasn't rewarded. The only ways to get ahead were through corruption, black markets, and cronyism so that's what people focused on if they wanted more in life.
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Having lived in Ukraine 6 months now, I'm convinced nobody remembers anything correctly. That might also have to do with the high levels of alcoholism, because my walks to school in the morning and afternoon are like scenes from The Walking Dead.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Having lived in Ukraine 6 months now, I'm convinced nobody remembers anything correctly. That might also have to do with the high levels of alcoholism, because my walks to school in the morning and afternoon are like scenes from The Walking Dead. Baloogan High
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