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dmnz posted:Game of Thrones in space is a terrible comparison. I meant in that it's "prestige television about rising and falling political factions and actors in a fantastic setting with a wide variety of characters with conflicting motivations spread across a variety of tangentially related settings". No it's not a perfect comparison, but it's a shorthand way for non-robots to get people quickly up to speed.
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Humanity gently caress Yeah-type belief that humans are somehow unique because we're so hardcore and not logical and do things that must be totally weird to alien races is the galactic equivalent of a shut-in kid believing he's some magical being with powers beyond mortal comprehension. Except met with less cringe and more  -equivalent.
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Pierzak posted:Humanity gently caress Yeah-type belief that humans are somehow unique Except this is true because intelligent alien life doesn't exist.
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Avenging Dentist posted:Except this is true because intelligent alien life doesn't exist. For the Bible tells me so.
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Apr 13, 2017 03:37
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Pierzak posted:Humanity gently caress Yeah-type belief that humans are somehow unique because we're so hardcore and not logical and do things that must be totally weird to alien races is the galactic equivalent of a shut-in kid believing he's some magical being with powers beyond mortal comprehension. Humans are the chuunibyou of the universe. I believe there's an anime about this concept.
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Eh, there's already enough stories in which humans are extraordinarily average relative to every alien species out there, and inevitably end up using alien technology to leapfrog. It's interesting to have ones where we're the unusual ones.
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dmnz posted:Game of Thrones in space is a terrible comparison. Game of Thrones in space exists, it's called Legend of the Galactic Heroes and it's rad. Pyrolocutus posted:Eh, there's already enough stories in which humans are extraordinarily average relative to every alien species out there, and inevitably end up using alien technology to leapfrog. It's interesting to have ones where we're the unusual ones. IIRC there's a series written by some hack, I want to say Turtledove, where humanity is kept in deliberate isolation from other spacefaring races because were too adaptable. All the other ones are all things like evolved deer and such and are really made for a small slice of Biomes. Eventually I think in the setting Humans become the default mercenaries who asskick all around the galaxy working for other races. El Estrago Bonito fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Pyrolocutus posted:Eh, there's already enough stories in which humans are extraordinarily average relative to every alien species out there, and inevitably end up using alien technology to leapfrog. It's interesting to have ones where we're the unusual ones. Right, normally it's the aliens that represent exaggerated aspects of humanity, but it would be neat if humans were just totally their own thing.
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Avenging Dentist posted:Except this is true because intelligent alien life doesn't exist. This seems difficult to support. I'll check out The Expanse if I can get it. I don't really watch anything on real TV these days but presumably I can stream it somewhere, thanks for the tip. What reading this thread has mostly got me thinking about is the specific needs of games, though, and how they make it harder to have really alien aliens. A good example, if not sci-fi, is the Eldrazi from MTG, which I always thought felt were pretty disappointing because they didn't feel all that strange or alien. There's really only so far you can go with "this stuff is weird and doesn't work or think like we expect" when everything needs to have a clear mechanical home and function. You can make it interact weirdly with the rules, or do things that are unique, but at the end of the day, it can't really be meaningfully incomprehensible or unknown because the game needs to resolve. Similarly with things like armies in space minis games, you can set the flavor text around the battle however you want, but it's going to be really hard to make the pieces behave like they aren't human because they're controlled by a human player. Which makes me wonder if you could make a faction that played in a style that's weird enough to seem at least a little inhuman. Something like the synapse creature thing with tyranids but much stranger, so it encourages behavior that's not just a little unusual but actively alien. And whether you could do it in a way that was actually good game design - ie, without being obviously railroading, and while still being enjoyable to play and relatively elegant. Thus far nothing's springing to mind, but it'd be cool if you could pull it off.
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I think you can get around that by giving them comparable mechanics to a human race but by giving them asymmetric objectives that seem counter-intuitive to the player. A human faction needs to hold two of the four quarters on the board to win, but the alien faction needs 40% of their infantry to die. Or something, that was just off the top of my head.
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Alien objectives: -Recover the corpse of a specific, unremarkable line infantryman on the other side, at all costs. -Get everyone in two particular units killed by the enemy -flee off the opponent's edge of the board -get into melee contact with the enemy commander so you can give him your most powerul weapon as a gift, and then have your best warrior fight him... but not to the death, if either combatant dies, you immediately lose -dig a big hole and get all your surviving units into it by the end of turn five. Dudes in the hole are not allowed to fire out of the hole. -just don't show up to the fight at all. Call your opponent on the phone and concede. -your troops don't understand how to fight. They stand around dying passively until your opponent either stops, or kills them all. -One unit charges into melee with your opponent, and then the rest of your army has to kill them before the enemy does. -Capture an enemy commander, and then make him the leader of your army. Your forces loyally do whatever your opponent tells them to do. But if the commander tries to escape, kill him. -Your forces cannot function in this environment. Deploy ordnance from orbit.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Legend of the Galactic Heroes El Estrago Bonito posted:it's rad. This checks out OP
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Fantasy Flight has released a painting guide for the skeletons in Runewars. I feel like if that was GW it'd cost £15. Also army three has been actually officially announced, which is the Latari Elves. I'm sure the Demons will be announced next week. It's a shame they're not all coming out at the same time though.
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All this alien talk makes me wish that poo poo like elves and dwarves in fantasy settings were actually depicted as more alien (i.e. not just tall humans with pointy ears or short humans with beards). Immortality (or even just a very long life-span) should radically change your approach to problem-solving, for instance.
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Apr 13, 2017 11:51
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Leperflesh posted:Alien objectives: I would play this game.
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As a game with secret objectives it would be rad. Do I kill this easy to kill guy, or is that what they want me to do?
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ilmucche posted:As a game with secret objectives it would be rad. Do I kill this easy to kill guy, or is that what they want me to do? As a closed packet campaign it would be even better. After your first loss because you engaged a unit in melee and didn't roll more 3s than 2s you'd second guess every decision you could possibly make.
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Ilor posted:All this alien talk makes me wish that poo poo like elves and dwarves in fantasy settings were actually depicted as more alien (i.e. not just tall humans with pointy ears or short humans with beards). Immortality (or even just a very long life-span) should radically change your approach to problem-solving, for instance. They sort of have a bash at this in some settings. Arcanum did okay with it (the CRPG) where the attitudes of Dwarfs to the idea of an industrial revolution was different because if in 200 years the world is polluted they'd be around to see it.
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Leperflesh posted:-Your forces cannot function in this environment. Deploy ordnance from orbit. Oh yeah this sounds like a blast *Player 1 deploys his forces* "Hey where's your army" *Player 2 has an empty table* "Low orbit, bombing your army"
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Avenging Dentist posted:Except this is true because intelligent alien life doesn't exist. 
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Skeletons aren't aliens, they're inside us all close to our hearts.
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They always have your back.
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TTerrible posted:Skeletons aren't aliens, they're inside us all close to our hearts. Aliens are real and good and cool
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What if aliens have skeletons on the outside and flesh on the inside? Wouldnt that be weird???
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Bistromatic posted:What if aliens have skeletons on the outside and flesh on the inside? Wouldnt that be weird??? whoa
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Atlas Hugged posted:Babylon 5 had to drop the giant puppet bug mantis crime lord after season 1 because it looked terrible and was a fortune to film. Which is ironic because mafia mantis' most memorable line was 'Expensssiveee...'
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Credit where it's due, these are some kicking rad skeletons and I want them.    They're from the upcoming Warhammer Underworlds game which is supposed to be some kind of compact and competitively balanced board game / skirmish game. I am ... a bit excited????
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Ilor posted:All this alien talk makes me wish that poo poo like elves and dwarves in fantasy settings were actually depicted as more alien (i.e. not just tall humans with pointy ears or short humans with beards). Immortality (or even just a very long life-span) should radically change your approach to problem-solving, for instance. I always thought immortality explained why elves are always really into trees and harmony with nature and stuff, at least. Ashcans posted:I always thought transplants could be seriously weird to aliens - they're weird enough to many people after all. It really should be since low genetic diversity is why transplantation is relatively easy in humans 
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Taear posted:Fantasy Flight has released a painting guide for the skeletons in Runewars. I got a set of Runewars for free at Adepticon and immediately sold it. The giant chunky movement trays and pile of rulers and stat cards behind every unit look kind of terrible, to be honest. I did not, however, realize that the models were on individual round bases. I thought they were attached to the bases in a KoW fashion. And yeah, that painting guide would not have been free were it from GW. Der Shovel posted:Credit where it's due, these are some kicking rad skeletons and I want them. EDIT: Also, I loving hate calling skeletons "deathrattles." :inchoate rage: berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Der Shovel posted:Credit where it's due, these are some kicking rad skeletons and I want them. dang these some good skellies
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NTRabbit posted:This checks out OP I got the LOGH mod for Stellaris. 
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Moola posted:dang these some good skellies Holy poo poo Moola.  GIVE GW MONEY?!
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Runewars might be good but i suspect if it fails itll be because hardcore minis guys will thumb their nose at it the way they do x-wing and it being too expensive for other kinds of players.
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Der Shovel posted:Credit where it's due, these are some kicking rad skeletons and I want them. I was going to ask if there were going to be other factions but why would you even consider playing them
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berzerkmonkey posted:I got a set of Runewars for free at Adepticon and immediately sold it. The giant chunky movement trays and pile of rulers and stat cards behind every unit look kind of terrible, to be honest. I did not, however, realize that the models were on individual round bases. I thought they were attached to the bases in a KoW fashion. And deathrattle is a faction name, skeletons are still called skeletons dude.
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Like elves and dwarves are still elves and dwarves and not Aelfs and Duardins/Fyreslayers, right? Oh, wait.
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Panzeh posted:Runewars might be good but i suspect if it fails itll be because hardcore minis guys will thumb their nose at it the way they do x-wing and it being too expensive for other kinds of players. Saint Drogo posted:i am gonna buy the hell out of those skellies whatever they cost so I hope they come as part of a retarded boxed game people buy for one part of and flog the rest. That'snot too much to ask from GW right? I'm thinking that they will be available as some sort of a faction box, rather than being in the main set. As far as I know, the Shadespire box will only have Stormcasts and the Chaos guys. And you are correct about the nomenclature. I have seen individual skeletons referred to as "Deathrattlers" though, and the faction name is still loving stupid.
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Panzeh posted:Runewars might be good but i suspect if it fails itll be because hardcore minis guys will thumb their nose at it the way they do x-wing and it being too expensive for other kinds of players. Yeah, I got to try it out last weekend and it was great. However, it really is too "gamey" for grognards and too deep into the rabbit hole for people who'd otherwise be drawn to stuff like x-wing. If it fails, it'll fail like D&D 4e because of that. I'm planning to split the starter with a friend and use our other fantasy stuff for the rest like people do for KOW. You'd need to write down your dials for everything else but that's not bad for a casual game.
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TKIY posted:Holy poo poo Moola. DO NOT GIVE GW MONEY YOU WILL REGRET THIS!!!
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This is worth money:
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