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YoRHa radio personalities have a really rough time in these weapon stories.
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UPDATE ON PREVIOUS PAGE Yeah, weapon stories continue to be moribund. The YoRHa seems very human and full of morale problems. LIke, it's holding mainly by inertia and freshly produced and still idealistic androids.
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Apr 16, 2017 20:52
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I did the 11B quest just after the next section we're gonna go to, so one certain part of the wording of 11B's last logs rang some alarm bells in my head. The whole thing is ominous as gently caress even without that, though. There's mentions of a virus of some kind, and only mere seconds afterwards she starts to mentally break down, begins second-guessing herself, gets scared, and eventually panics. Whereas beforehand she was matter-of-fact, target-oriented and concise. And then there's the quest's resolution. When that ominous music suddenly sets in....
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Apr 16, 2017 20:55
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That chip you get from that quest is basically the only defensive chip you'll need on Hard mode for quite a while.
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Apr 16, 2017 21:11
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You don't actually need to equip the YoRHa sword to get the discount; you just need to have upgraded it to unlock the ability.
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Apr 16, 2017 21:17
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Josuke Higashikata posted:That chip you get from that quest is basically the only defensive chip you'll need on Hard mode for quite a while. It's also the only Auto- chip that works outside of easy mode and it's real good.
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Apr 16, 2017 21:26
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They must have had a wonderful relationship if she needed a melee defense chip...
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Apr 16, 2017 21:33
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I ran the Auto-Use chip until near the end of the game, and it saved my bacon a number of times. Poor 24D - no-one told her she got moved to the overnight shift 
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Apr 16, 2017 21:34
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Alavaria posted:They must have had a wonderful relationship if she needed a melee defense chip... It wouldn't be a Taro Yoko game if there weren't that subtle undercurrent of things being really hosed up.
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Apr 16, 2017 21:40
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Alavaria posted:They must have had a wonderful relationship if she needed a melee defense chip... I mean, she is a defensive unit (16D). I'm not sure exactly what their job is, but I'm going to guess it involves defense.
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Apr 16, 2017 21:58
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ultrafilter posted:It wouldn't be a Taro Yoko game if there weren't that subtle undercurrent of things being really hosed up. Well, the "subtle" is a variable. Let's be honest here.
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Apr 16, 2017 21:58
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Qrr posted:I mean, she is a defensive unit (16D). I'm not sure exactly what their job is, but I'm going to guess it involves defense. Yeah, but she states she doesn't need it anymore with 11B gone.
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Apr 16, 2017 21:59
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Qrr posted:I mean, she is a defensive unit (16D). I'm not sure exactly what their job is, but I'm going to guess it involves defense. Which, when I heard it, made me think that maybe she was gonna kill herself after that.
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Apr 16, 2017 22:00
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It's interesting how that line can feel like it has a complete opposite meaning depending on which choice you make.
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Apr 16, 2017 22:00
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Huh. When I turned in that quest I'd already hosed up(?) another quest by telling the truth, so I lied to 16D. She just sort of pined for her lost love and went "But I won't be going to the surface anytime soon, so you take these"
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Apr 16, 2017 22:02
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Well she said she was kind of abusive and now she doesn't need to defend herself from her lover. That's kind of the worst interpretation but this is a Yoko Taro game so I choose to err on the side of misery
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Apr 16, 2017 22:07
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chiasaur11 posted:Well, the "subtle" is a variable. Let's be honest here. Those weapon stories though...
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Apr 16, 2017 22:10
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A part omitted from TDI's summary of the "don't tell her" choice is that she mentions she's going to become a combat unit. It, like the rest of that option, is rather depressing because you know she's gonna die. It's also a nice contrast to the other option, where she mentioned 11B looked down on her for not being a combat unit. She does still give you the things for the exact same reason though.
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Apr 16, 2017 22:47
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The Dark Id posted:Tune in next time to Chapter 3 of NieR: Automata. In which things get REAL loving weird really fast... It wouldn't be a Yoko Taro game without this. 
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Apr 16, 2017 23:25
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Materant posted:A part omitted from TDI's summary of the "don't tell her" choice is that she mentions she's going to become a combat unit. It, like the rest of that option, is rather depressing because you know she's gonna die. It's also a nice contrast to the other option, where she mentioned 11B looked down on her for not being a combat unit. Yeah I told the truth and iirc the reasoning is something along the lines of "I need to become a combat unit because she can't protect me anymore" or something like that, so seeing the alternate text is a little 
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Apr 16, 2017 23:41
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Materant posted:A part omitted from TDI's summary of the "don't tell her" choice is that she mentions she's going to become a combat unit. It, like the rest of that option, is rather depressing because you know she's gonna die. It's also a nice contrast to the other option, where she mentioned 11B looked down on her for not being a combat unit. That's interesting to me, since we haven't run into any other previous evidence that they could change their model type. I wonder if that's a full remake or just some add-ons or new chips. Also assume if that means a new name, though whether you get the option to just switch letters or you have to become the highest number of your new class is up in the air. Have we met androids that share a number? The Dark Id posted:Virtuous Treaty is a fairly viable options throughout the majority
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Apr 16, 2017 23:44
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Zagglezig posted:That's interesting to me, since we haven't run into any other previous evidence that they could change their model type. I wonder if that's a full remake or just some add-ons or new chips.
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Apr 17, 2017 00:18
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Which Which Yoko Taro/Cavia game gets the loving weirdest the loving quickest
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Apr 17, 2017 00:25
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Alavaria posted:Well they can probably switch to a new body, new chips, etc. Since levels are a thing they might need to XP grind a bit though ... the difference between a combat/noncombat model is just whether or not you have a copy of caim's brain as a baseline they keep the original on the moon and it's been used to create every combat model android for 10,000 years the only side effect is sometimes they try to make pacts with random geckos but that's why they have S-model tagalongs to keep them from getting distracted Calaveron posted:Which Which Yoko Taro/Cavia game gets the loving weirdest the loving quickest I think Drakengard 3 has the fastest time to "what in the gently caress" I'm not counting N:A because we're not there yet Ursine Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 00:27
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Calaveron posted:Which Which Yoko Taro/Cavia game gets the loving weirdest the loving quickest Well, Nier begins with a sad dad punching ghosts in the ruins of Tokyo and then immediately smash cuts to "1312 YEARS LATER" and offers zero explanation for the next 30 hours.
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Apr 17, 2017 00:32
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:I think Drakengard 3 has the fastest time to "what in the gently caress" By the 12th update in the Drakengard 3 LP, we had already seen the aftermath of going up against Five and read her and Dito's novellas. I think that's enough to qualify.
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Apr 17, 2017 00:40
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:
by this point in D3 we already had Dito and Five.
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Apr 17, 2017 00:49
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megane posted:Well, Nier begins with a sad dad punching ghosts in the ruins of Tokyo and then immediately smash cuts to "1312 YEARS LATER" and offers zero explanation for the next 30 hours. No, no, it starts with a woman screaming obscenities at a book off-screen, then goes to the sad dad.
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Apr 17, 2017 01:18
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Zagglezig posted:That's interesting to me, since we haven't run into any other previous evidence that they could change their model type. I wonder if that's a full remake or just some add-ons or new chips. Also assume if that means a new name, though whether you get the option to just switch letters or you have to become the highest number of your new class is up in the air. Have we met androids that share a number? Quote from 9S: "We 9S models are the best around, you know. " So he clearly thinks that more than one 9S exists. On the other hand he thinks they have a lot in common. I wonder if changing your model type also changes your appearance (and possibly gender).
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Apr 17, 2017 01:28
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Serifina posted:No, no, it starts with a woman screaming obscenities at a book off-screen, then goes to the sad dad. Oh poo poo that's right, so I think Nier 1 starts getting weirder quicker On the other hand, Drakengard 1 gets really, really, really weird, possibly the weirdest out of at least the Drakengard games
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Apr 17, 2017 01:32
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Qrr posted:Quote from 9S: "We 9S models are the best around, you know. " So he clearly thinks that more than one 9S exists. On the other hand he thinks they have a lot in common. I wonder if changing your model type also changes your appearance (and possibly gender). I read that as "there's always a 9S, even if the current one doesn't have all of the previous one's memories", especially given the situation at the time (iirc the 9S we're currently with only has memories from before 2B's prologue insertion? I think they explicitly state that). So as far as 9S is concerned, "someone else" was responsible for all that but it was still a 9S that did it. Presumably every Number-Letter combo also is at least told of what their "predecessors" did if the direct memories aren't retrievable. e: Calaveron posted:Oh poo poo that's right, so I think Nier 1 starts getting weirder quicker Drakengard 1 has 50 foot tall cult leader children, giant floating man-eating babies, and a DDR game with a giant untextured woman in modern day tokyo, with occasional subplots of incest, pedophilia, and pedocannibalism Drakengard 3 has a protaganist who accidentally took over a country because of pseudo-sisters that sprouted out from a flower in her head, has party members entirely consisting of doves remade in human form, occasionally sprouts wholesale out of the flower in her head, and the game ends with a DDR battle against not one, but five giant untextured women in what's implied to be a modern day city that inexplicably ended up getting dropped in the middle of an alternate reality not-europe. there's also subplots of clone incest, children merged with giants to create super-soldiers, a dude who fucks everything including faeries, a bio-blob homunculus made entirely of orphans, and several dozen versions of a time-traveling weapon saleswoman who's actually an android I think that D1 being "more weird" than D3 is only because by the time D3 rolls around you're...not expecting that, exactly, but certainly expecting something. Ursine Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 01:39
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:I read that as "there's always a 9S, even if the current one doesn't have all of the previous one's memories", especially given the situation at the time (iirc the 9S we're currently with only has memories from before 2B's prologue insertion? I think they explicitly state that). So as far as 9S is concerned, "someone else" was responsible for all that but it was still a 9S that did it. Presumably every Number-Letter combo also is at least told of what their "predecessors" did if the direct memories aren't retrievable. Imagine if your past self was a huge loving hero. Imagine the pressure of trying to live up to your own past self. I feel like that's been done somewhere before.
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Apr 17, 2017 01:47
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Yeah that's kind of the backstory to the villain of Mega Man Zero 1. A duplicate of Mega Man X, with none of X's experience, memories or personality, forced into the role of hero and having to decide for himself what that means, turns into a ruthless dictator who oppresses his own kind because all he really gets about the original X is that he fought to save the humans.
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Apr 17, 2017 01:55
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:Drakengard 3 has a protaganist who accidentally took over a country because of pseudo-sisters that sprouted out from a flower in her head, has party members entirely consisting of doves remade in human form, occasionally sprouts wholesale out of the flower in her head, and the game ends with a DDR battle against not one, but five giant untextured women in what's implied to be a modern day city that inexplicably ended up getting dropped in the middle of an alternate reality not-europe. there's also subplots of clone incest, children merged with giants to create super-soldiers, a dude who fucks everything including faeries, a bio-blob homunculus made entirely of orphans, and several dozen versions of a time-traveling weapon saleswoman who's actually an android Six! 
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Apr 17, 2017 02:19
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apocalypticCritic posted:Imagine if your past self was a huge loving hero. Imagine the pressure of trying to live up to your own past self. 9/10 reincarnation plots that dont involve silent protags. On the topic of what the shittiest, I think D1 is clearly the what the shittiest, for 3 main reasons. 1: Mid Fantasy Setting, with an actual focus on war and "gods". Its not quite Fantasy as gently caress, but nothing lends itself to insanity like wars and gods. 2: We see the setting actually change and go to hell during every ending. 3: It was more personal. Seere was highly invested in his sister. Caim ENJOYED THE poo poo out of murdering everything. Furae's corpse got defiled by her brother's best friend that had a major boner for her and then she killed everything after that turned her into a final boss somehow, also Nowe exists because of that. Elf chick got Iron-ied so god drat hard. I got nothing for Leonard. Racist prick, became the leader of the world after he "encouraged" Caim to murder everything too. I should reread that so I can remember how to spell the names. D3, probably does get there the fastest but 1 gets there the hardest.
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Apr 17, 2017 02:21
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ZeeToo posted:Six! Zero doesn't count, it's right there in the name  counting is hard MythosDragon posted:Furae's corpse got defiled by her brother's best friend that had a major boner for her and then she killed everything after that turned her into a final boss somehow, wow, you can tell ending E stuck with me more than B because how the gently caress did I forget 
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Apr 17, 2017 02:32
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Drakengard 3 probably has more 'what the gently caress' parts on paper, but in terms of execution Drakengard 1 is definitely the craziest in the series. 3 starts loud and stays loud. Zero is irreverant and the first thing she does is kill the narrator. Drakengard 1 starts off as a generic - if fairly dark - fantasy Dynasty Warriors clone and slow morphs into the unholy terror it ends up being, with every ending being a goddamn nightmare, which makes things hit much harder.
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Apr 17, 2017 02:58
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And by III people knew to expect the unexpected in a Yoko Taro game. Nobody knew the horrors that awaited them inside that harmless, generic looking game back in 2003...
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Apr 17, 2017 03:09
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I think the PS2 models helped a bit too. I mean theres just something about the blocky plastic look that aces the tone of Drakengard over Super Model Legs.
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Drakengard 3 is definitely more loving weird, so much that it's bizarre pacing makes you just accepted it's weird bullshit through out. While D1 pops out space babies out of loving nowhere after beating the game 3 times, D3 barely has a plot until you beat it 4 times and get every weapon. I'd say D3 has the opposite effect 1 had, anyone else think that was the intention?
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