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axeil posted:Ideally you also want to reinforce the safety net so when people go the entrepreneur route and fail they aren't completely wiped out for the rest of their lives. Well I mean if going that route can really only knock you down to a third of the best state you can reach, that's a pretty solid safety net that's implied to be in place. quote:The current system of 100x the "have nots" is clearly way too in favor of the haves
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NewForumSoftware posted:100x? that's adorable that you can work in the financial industry and believe that Yeah, reposting this: https://www.lcurve.org "$1-million is the same proportion of [Bill Gates'] income as $1 to a person earning $50,000 per year."
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:*sneaks up really close behind you, as quiet as a ninja*
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:No, alleviating the suffering of PoC is what the democrats should be working towards. White people already have the system so heavily stacked in their favor that if they're unable to use the resources that have been explicitly given to them and withheld from others for relocation/retraining and a bias in the private sector charity, they can indeed go gently caress themselves. People ITT, for some stupid reason, think 15$ an hr will alleviate these problems without explicitly addressing them. It's OK that you are not altruistic but use it as a banner to feel smug, the complete and utter refusal to acknowledge that there is an "other" in this country is sickening and why the Bernout left will fail in the next 2-8 years. People don't think $15/hour will solve everything, but it would help a fuckload of poor people, so let's do it and then we can work on the next thing to help more people.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:lol that you believe this. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:lol that you believe this. lol that you're crying that we are taking Randian philosophy to task using PoC
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WampaLord posted:People don't think $15/hour will solve everything, but it would help a fuckload of poor people, so let's do it and then we can work on the next thing to help more people. great messaging.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:"Wait and eventually we will help you." Are there no minorities who would be helped by a minimum wage increase? Also, we can work on more than one thing at a time. Campaigns are rarely run on just one issue.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:"Wait and eventually we will help you." Isn't that the motto of the Democratic party?
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Axeil, what the hell are you even referring to with regards to value? In the current capitalist sense?
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Clearly increasing the minimum wage wouldn't help minorities, but assigning "values" for what they contribute to society and compensating them based on those values will lol get the gently caress out of here Submarine
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I wish Obama would have actually you know, done anything about the financial crisis other than completely bail the banks out. It gets really old hearing people who work in a failed industry (finance) that only still exists because the US government bailed them out talk about how people need to provide value while they almost collapsed the entire financial system.
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Maybe we could make the have-nots perform some menial labor in exchange for room and board. This would be involuntary of course, they need to provide value! But not a nice house. Maybe like a small room, with some bars for safety?
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Maybe we could make the have-nots perform some menial labor in exchange for room and board. This would be involuntary of course, they need to provide value!
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Please tell me how a 15$ minwage will address this actual issue in the status quo? I think you're in the wrong thread bub, the $15 min wage thread is not this one This thread is about how bad your Abuela and her cohorts are
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Edit: nah, gently caress it, there's no use engaging with a racist whatever-he-is like Submarine that believes loving over black people is okay so long as we hurt poor white people too. So the only DNC aid confirmation we've got for a race that is happening literally next month is Bernie helping out, huh? That is loving poo poo. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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NewForumSoftware posted:I wish Obama would have actually you know, done anything about the financial crisis other than completely bail the banks out. It gets really old hearing people who work in a failed industry (finance) that only still exists because the US government bailed them out talk about how people need to provide value while they almost collapsed the entire financial system. Just further verification that anyone in finance is an existential threat to most humans. We may as well be letting hyenas make decisions about human society.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Please tell me how a 15$ minwage will address this actual issue in the status quo? For one, people working min wage could obtain better legal representation if they find themselves in trouble. Two, people working minimum wage could support themselves and not need to turn to crime. I'm sure this will be met with a hearty "LOL no" so have fun with that, and continue sticking up for Objectivism
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:No, alleviating the suffering of PoC is what the democrats should be working towards. White people already have the system so heavily stacked in their favor that if they're unable to use the resources that have been explicitly given to them and withheld from others for relocation/retraining and a bias in the private sector charity, they can indeed go gently caress themselves. People ITT, for some stupid reason, think 15$ an hr will alleviate these problems without explicitly addressing them. It's OK that you are not altruistic but use it as a banner to feel smug, the complete and utter refusal to acknowledge that there is an "other" in this country is sickening and why the Bernout left will fail in the next 2-8 years. lol, last time this came up you got super pissy and were ready and willing to throw every working class PoC under the bus because of some dumbshit argument about how 15 a hour would benefit white people too. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:"Wait and eventually we will help you." For the millionth time the majority of african americans earn less than 15$ an hour, that doesn't include the ones who are unemployed. But you've probably got plenty of other privileges that allow you to forget it.
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Just a reminder again, that Sub launched this attack because we were mocking the concept of "value to society" determining income presented by someone in the finance industry like LOL forever
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You're all so empathetic to the poor rural gently caress who's factory that was mandated by god to give him a job is leaving while not giving a poo poo about an analogous situation where communities and families being displaced via gentrification and it's very deafening. If there's a primary challenger for Trump in 2020 they'll be running on a populist message, again, which will probably include a min wage increase as well, as it will disproportionately help the Republican base as that type of work continues to dry up and there will need to be something besides trying to blame free trade. Stop giving a poo poo about the republican base and actually target the votes you just assume will go to you.
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Just a reminder again, that Sub launched this attack because we were mocking the concept of "value to society" determining income presented by someone in the finance industry like LOL forever strawman
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:very rich coming from posters itt that refuse to see suffering as anything that isn't Midwestern white. Oh, what was this comment in response to then? Were you just making a non-sequitor?
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Oh, what was this comment in response to then? Were you just making a non-sequitor? occasionally I like to remind this thread that PoC are the democratic base. You all get pissed off.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:You're all so empathetic to the poor rural gently caress who's factory that was mandated by god to give him a job is leaving while not giving a poo poo about an analogous situation where communities and families being displaced via gentrification and it's very deafening. If there's a primary challenger for Trump in 2020 they'll be running on a populist message, again, which will probably include a min wage increase as well, as it will disproportionately help the Republican base as that type of work continues to dry up and there will need to be something besides trying to blame free trade. Stop giving a poo poo about the republican base and actually target the votes you just assume will go to you. Your savior complex is leading you down some very dark paths, pal. Submarine Sandpaper posted:occasionally I like to remind this thread that PoC are the democratic base. You all get pissed off. Obviously not working class PoC, though. gently caress those people. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Haha apparently the DNC and DCCC really want to tell Ossof to gently caress off and refuse to support him too? https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/854151707093348353 Was their plan literally "do not get involved in any high profile races and waste valuable political capital"? Man, to the extent they aren't a waste it really seems to be against their natural inclination (which is towards being a complete waste)
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:You're all so empathetic to the poor rural gently caress who's factory that was mandated by god to give him a job is leaving while not giving a poo poo about an analogous situation where communities and families being displaced via gentrification and it's very deafening. lol who you are arguing with exactly? is your older brother giving you poo poo or something?
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:occasionally I like to remind this thread that PoC are the democratic base. You all get pissed off. "Except gently caress them if they're arabs who'd like their relatives in the old country to not grow up bombed by the US' freedom planes"
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GlyphGryph posted:Haha apparently the DNC and DCCC really want to tell Ossof to gently caress off and refuse to support him too? They have to save all that money to push a billion dollars on Booker's 2020 campaign.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:occasionally I like to remind this thread that PoC are the democratic base. You all get pissed off. Jesus, we really need to get a bigger base then.
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Radish posted:They have to save all that money to push a billion dollars on Booker's 2020 campaign. Well he is a PoC, so that would make Sub happy
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Cerebral Bore posted:Your savior complex is leading you down some very dark paths, pal. The system that makes the demographic that works hardest yet has the least capital must not be directly addressed because economic justice is social justice. 
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GlyphGryph posted:Haha apparently the DNC and DCCC really want to tell Ossof to gently caress off and refuse to support him too? So has GA 06 only got support from these idiots after they used supporting that as the excuse to moot help the guy from Kansas?
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:The system that makes the demographic that works hardest yet has the least capital must not be directly addressed because economic justice is social justice. Yeah, gently caress those people if they want well-paying jobs.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:No, alleviating the suffering of PoC is what the democrats should be working towards. White people already have the system so heavily stacked in their favor that if they're unable to use the resources that have been explicitly given to them and withheld from others for relocation/retraining and a bias in the private sector charity, they can indeed go gently caress themselves. People ITT, for some stupid reason, think 15$ an hr will alleviate these problems without explicitly addressing them. It's OK that you are not altruistic but use it as a banner to feel smug, the complete and utter refusal to acknowledge that there is an "other" in this country is sickening and why the Bernout left will fail in the next 2-8 years. A lanyard holding a stack of flow-charts walks up to a man in a desperate existence strung together from several part time jobs whose brother just overdosed on meth, "Sir are you aware of your white privilege?"
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:The system that makes the demographic that works hardest yet has the least capital must not be directly addressed because economic justice is social justice. lol the mininum wage would literally address that demo directly you ding dong
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Iron Twinkie posted:A lanyard holding a stack of flow-charts walks up to a man in a desperate existence strung together from several part time jobs whose brother just overdosed on meth, "Sir are you aware of your white privilege?" Yes the use of empathetic anecdote for white folk while negative for PoC is a method used to support white populist policy.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Yes the use of empathetic anecdote for white folk while negative for PoC is a method used to support white populist policy. you're a dumbass
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Fiction posted:you're a dumbass Did you give a poo poo about ODs in the 90s?
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