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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:holy poo poo that's a bad post. Ignore it, let's talk about fusing some more. I really wish I wasn't at work so I can be at home and experiment with persona fusions. Especially the treasure demons. I'm pretty sure they follow special rules but I have yet to reason them out.
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It'd be a lot easier to do plot discussion and read people's reactions, which I enjoy, if it wasn't all in big black boxes.
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Apr 18, 2017 16:02
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The spoiler thread for Horizon was good and people posted a lot of speculation and discussion until it ran its course. Meanwhile the main thread stayed really active with people who both have and haven't finished the game yet talking about things other than the ending. It's a good idea. 
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Apr 18, 2017 16:03
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Rangda and its phys repel makes some fights pretty hilarious. I've had a miniboss Charge and wipe itself out on the protagonist Dude, oh my god, the best advice for the Palace 6 boss is "bring Rangda". She dunked herself for a total of 1000+ damage over the course of the fight because she basically only uses physical lol
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I think the only special rule for treasure demons is that they always give a persona of the same arcana as the other fusion persona
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I use this fusion calculator and I have found it to be quite reliable. https://chinhodado.github.io/persona5_calculator/#/list Dragonatrix: You are right about Mot. I forget which personas I used for him but I know they were not above 80 and this calculator does support that feeling.
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Apr 18, 2017 16:08
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SettingSun posted:Ignore it, let's talk about fusing some more. why is king frost such a high level song in this game? why have i gone 20ish levels without my frost buddy?
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wizard on a water slide posted:Dude, oh my god, the best advice for the Palace 6 boss is "bring Rangda". For those shenanigans I much prefer the moon elephant. He repels both physical and gun attacks and best of all he naturally learns the mass lower defense skills.
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Harrow posted:I was doing fine on Hard from the third Palace onward until one of the Mementos bosses. I had to turn it down to Normal for him. The loving Baphomet shadow you fight for Chihaya's request and his loving Brain Jack spam holy poo poo. I turned it back up after that fight but gently caress that fight. I lost an hour's worth of progress on this fight the first time I had it. I managed to get him down about halfway before my entire party got brain jacked and MC and Makoto cast consecutive Diarama on the boss 
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Hunt11 posted:I use this fusion calculator and I have found it to be quite reliable. https://chinhodado.github.io/persona5_calculator/#/list Strangely, the calculator doesn't (or didn't if it's changed) tell you how to get Satan without DLC, but you can 100% get it with Treasure Demons. Michael x Orlov gets you him I think.
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I think it's refreshing that they rearranged the levels of a lot of the personas in this game. Things like a level 40 King Frost or a very high level Fortuna, which I remember in P3 was the lowest level Fortune persona.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Strangely, the calculator doesn't (or didn't if it's changed) tell you how to get Satan without DLC, but you can 100% get it with Treasure Demons. Michael x Orlov gets you him I think. Depends on if you have the DLC I think. That will just get you Messiah Picaro if you do.
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So, I'm correct in thinking that (2nd dungeon boss)Madarame's shadow's nose only twitches if you enter the Palace on a "pollen warning" day? That's pretty cool, if a bit difficult to predict since there's no weather forecast like in persona 4.
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socialsecurity posted:You could start a thread for new players instead of making 90% of the people in this thread move to a different in order to satisfy you or are we all posting slaves in your palace? shout out to this guy for being a crazy
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shout out to makoto for smoking me
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Harrow posted:Hard can be pretty unforgiving, I've found. It's not so bad if you stay on top of your SMT/Persona fundamentals (use status effects, make sure you debuff strong enemies consistently) but if you gently caress up, you'll get smacked hard for it.
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Apr 18, 2017 16:17
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Not nearly enough spikes or an air of general menace for Makoto.
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Hunt11 posted:Not nearly enough spikes or an air of general menace for Makoto. How about you buddy???!?!??!
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http://justintaco.tumblr.com/post/159662216859 best girl
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SettingSun posted:I think it's refreshing that they rearranged the levels of a lot of the personas in this game. Things like a level 40 King Frost or a very high level Fortuna, which I remember in P3 was the lowest level Fortune persona. I like that king frost is now a casual end-game persona, but being without a frost for levels 20-61 is very 
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I don't think I saw that Makoto portrait in my playthrough, what scene was she in a tracksuit?
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Anyone pick up any of the DLC? I've bought the Personas, but I think I'll pass on the costumes. I enjoy the default costumes and music too much change them. Maybe if they were cheaper?
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FractalSandwich posted:I'm reconsidering what I think this game's combat system gains from being harder, and I genuinely think the answer is "absolutely nothing". I'll probably just go down to Normal and save myself the ballache. The Palaces are long and annoying enough as it is. I can't quite decide how I feel about Hard, but I think my take on it is just that it doesn't forgive mistakes. If you fail to get an ambush, you're going to get punished; if you don't debuff bosses, you're going to get punished; if you can't quickly figure out the weaknesses of new enemies, you're going to get punished. You basically have to treat enemies without weaknesses like minibosses because you're not going to be able to consistently kill them before they can attack, so debuff and use status effects to make sure they either can't attack or don't own you too hard when they do. If those things don't appeal, then yeah, definitely don't play on Hard. And if you already find the Palaces "annoying," definitely don't increase the difficulty. I'd say difficulties above Normal are only a good idea if you actively enjoy the gameplay and want to feel like you have to engage with the combat more than you already are. I don't understand playing Merciless on NG, though. I like some of what I know about it (aren't Technical! attacks a lot stronger? That's a cool tactical change) but the huge decrease in EXP and money earned just sounds like it's going to be grindy as hell unless you're on NG+ and I'm not in for that. Harrow fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Harrow posted:I can't quite decide how I feel about Hard, but I think my take on it is just that it doesn't forgive mistakes. If you fail to get an ambush, you're going to get punished; if you don't debuff bosses, you're going to get punished; if you can't quickly figure out the weaknesses of new enemies, you're going to get punished. You basically have to treat enemies without weaknesses like minibosses because you're not going to be able to consistently kill them before they can attack, so debuff and use status effects to make sure they either can't attack or don't own you too hard when they do. Welcome to Shin Megami Tensei, motherfuckers  . Incidentally as a bit of trivia; what you just described is Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne on Normal.
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I decided to be the change I wish to see in the world and made the best possible effort five minutes at work can come up with for a spoiler thread.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Welcome to Shin Megami Tensei, motherfuckers Well, except for the ambush part, I think. Nocturne had random encounters so you couldn't really control whether you got the drop on enemies or not. That's why I'm playing on Hard: I like those parts of SMT games. I was one of the people who was disappointed with how easy SMT IV got in the second half. I want to have to care about debuffs and status effects. The only thing I wish is that the game used Press Turns instead of the One More system. I like Press Turns a lot more, especially because it makes it easier to incorporate elemental weaknesses into boss fights without it just turning into an All-Out Attack fest. The only thing that'd be lost is that I think Baton Pass is a cool mechanic and that might not work with Press Turns, but other than that, SMT-style Press Turns are way cooler.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Welcome to Shin Megami Tensei, motherfuckers The first time I played Nocturne I had let my boyfriend convince me to play on Hard mode when I was going in blind for my first time. I still haven't forgiven him for doing that to me.
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Makoto is definitely the best. 
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On Normal there was only one encounter that I definitely felt was bullshit: One of the jerks in Palace 6 cast Evil Smile, fearing the MC. MC's turn, he's feared so he gets skipped. Jerk immediately goes again and casts Ghastly Wail. Whoops, dead. This was in the back end of the dark maze so I was pissed.
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I felt some nostalgia fusing that Matador with Magaru. Atlus knows what they did to us 
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Harrow posted:Well, except for the ambush part, I think. Nocturne had random encounters so you couldn't really control whether you got the drop on enemies or not. To this day, Nocturne's boss battles are still loving awesome because of how damned good the press turn system was. I can't even complain that they didn't get enough mileage out of it, they made three games with it explicitly and its skeleton continues to form combat systems of their modern titles. A return to form would be outstanding, though, it's easily my favorite turn-based battle system basically ever.
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I doubted everyone at first but as soon as I got to this part I realized that Makoto is indeed the best Persona 5 girl, perhaps the best Persona girl ever
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nocturnes difficulty is overhyped it was the first large exposure we got to SMT that actually caught on a bit (and even then not nearly as much as persona) so people didn't know a lot of the practices of playing an SMT game like how to fuse often and debuffs etc so its gonna blindside anyone that just played like, FFX especially since we only got the updated version, so yeah matador is probably gonna be your first strength check but on the other hand every Fiend fusion is busted as gently caress (daisoujou especially never has a reason to be replaced) and the labyrinth of amala is gonna rocket you past any main content along with providing great resources like the menu healing nue and the dungeoneering spell piasca hard mode lucifer can go gently caress himself, but normal is pretty approachable if you have general SMT knowledge which is fairly available now
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Yeah, when I first played Nocturne I'd already played Persona 3 so I had a good basis for understanding demon fusion and the way the game generally works. I didn't have that hard of a time with Nocturne, though it definitely is more unforgiving than a lot of other PS2 JRPGs. If it's your first SMT game it's going to seem like the hardest JRPG ever, though.
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Harrow posted:If it's your first SMT game it's going to seem like the hardest JRPG ever, though. I had many tears over playing it on Hard. I'm pretty sure the tutorial killed me like 7 times.
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SettingSun posted:I really wish I wasn't at work so I can be at home and experiment with persona fusions. Especially the treasure demons. I'm pretty sure they follow special rules but I have yet to reason them out. They work like Elements do in other games. They rank up/down Persona of the same
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This might be the first Persona where I genuinely wish I had their powers. Changing people's hearts sounds loving baller.
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