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I really, sincerely don't give a dang about rovert: the poster: the character or whatever, but you gotta be a touch dense to think that post is the exception to how Meltzer's treated it. When things started popping off, his write up in the newsletter and original comments on WOR pointed out that it was a workplace culture problem and that JBL was a symptom of how the company functioned. He mentioned multiple times how he had to assume JBL was sorry for what he did because otherwise he'd have to assume he was an irreedemable shithead, which he didn't think. I thought he was exceptionally soft on JBL initially, and it only ever crossed over into "dang, he's getting heated" when he went off on WOR. But! Nothing he's said negates the idea that JBL is a problem and worthy of his/your anger but is not the problem.
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PaybackJack posted:I'm glad someone is here to point out when someone is angry and frustrated about a situation in which a pot boils over and then after reflection comes to realize that there's a greater, systemic problem and realizes that he should focus on that; that this person is actually a dirty flip-flopper who is as gutless as the people he seeks to take to task and that his change in focus is due to his failure to get picked up by mainstream media. If would be one thing if I did that PaybackJack: rovert posted:Meltzer's newest post possibly could have come reading Bruce's letter and refining his opinion - something that has happened before. Nice piece of creative writing though.
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exploded mummy posted:I feel sorry for Jerusalem. the problem has a very easy solution
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sleepwalkers posted:I really, sincerely don't give a dang about rovert: the poster: the character or whatever, but you gotta be a touch dense to think that post is the exception to how Meltzer's treated it. I don't think it is the EXCEPTION. I just read as him lighting up on JBL to a degree. With Meltzer you don't know what he has been told over the weekend or in general. If he's dropping hints or isn't. If someone else sees differently I won't go on ad hominem attack like others do. Raskolnikov38 posted:the problem has a very easy solution Not misrepresenting what I say, if unsure ask a direct question and treat each other with respect? rovert fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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rovert posted:If would be one thing if I did that PaybackJack: Post-delay on my end. But I'm glad it only took you 4 posts to "refine" your premise that Metlzer was doing a complete 180 on JBL.
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PaybackJack posted:Post-delay on my end. Where did I say he did a complete 180? Why do people take things to the absolute extremes. Instead of writing all that stuff from the post before you could just ask a direct question. I and others elsewhere read it as change in tact. If you don't cool.
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As it turns out, it could both be that JBL is a notorious shitheel bully AND the culture of WWE encourages, or at least doesn't explicitly discourage, that kind of negative behavior! It's not like Dave has said that JBL is both a bully and the potential scapegoat to avoid addressing bigger issues in the company or anything. Also you're not just saying that "Dave might have lightened up on JBL" when you prefaced the linked post with that he's "acknowledging that his attempts to hype the story have failed", which he 100% is not saying in that post you linked. Like if you want to get some sort of masterstroke on Dave, good on you I guess? But this is like the dumbest hill to try and do it on. 🤔
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rovert posted:Where did I say he did a complete 180? Why do people take things to the absolute extremes. Instead of writing all that stuff from the post before you could just ask a direct question. rovert posted:Meltzer standing down/doing a mild about face from prior statements/acknowledging that his attempts to hype the story have failed or whatever you are having yourself: An about-face is 180%. Putting mild in front of it doesn't change how far you actually turn, just the severity of the turn itself. Meaning what you're saying you meant by this is that he's either dropping the JBL issue or adjusting his stance on it to some degree (0-180%), not that he's slowly been doing a 180. If that is what you mean then, I agree with you. After his rant, he's definitely been focusing more on blaming the entire WWE hierarchy rather than just ranting about JBL. I disagree that he's doing that because of media response though. I think ranting about JBL would definitely be hotter topic.
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CascadeBeta posted:But this is like the dumbest hill to try and do it on. 🤔 Doesn't read like I am fighting on a hill here: rovert posted:I don't think it is the EXCEPTION. I just read as him lighting up on JBL to a degree. My mind is pretty open here no? "Meltzer" can be difficult to parse. Focus on what I said rather than what you want me to say. My mind is pretty open. I am open to the idea I am off base on my reading of his post. I wish I had the certainty of thought to fully take a stand. PaybackJack posted:If that is what you mean then, I agree with you. After his rant, he's definitely been focusing more on blaming the entire WWE hierarchy rather than just ranting about JBL. I disagree that he's doing that because of media response though. I think ranting about JBL would definitely be hotter topic. That's fair. I think Meltzer's comments and even mild changes in tact are worth noting. I/we did the same thing during Daniel Bryan's final injury to date. As Meltzer is so close to the subject. rovert fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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rovert posted:I don't think it is the EXCEPTION. I just read as him lighting up on JBL to a degree. If it's not the exception to his behavior regarding JBL, what about that post is lightening up, then? Maybe I'm misinterpreting here, but his initial coverage of the story and of JBL was extremely soft, to the point that he wouldn't even make a character judgement about JBL despite there being anecdotes and evidence from the past to suggest he's one of the people maintaining/sustaining a culture of abuse. If anything, that WOR where he ripped into JBL is the exception, as he often deferred to "it's the company, it's the company" before and after that tirade (though he also did mention it being a company problem in that big ol' rant). People just like trying to dunk on you because you often use either intentionally or unintentionally unclear phrasing. e: And it leads to situations like this, where people are arguing semantics about what you really mean. It'd be a lot clearer if you were to say "I think Meltzer could be lightening up his tone regarding the JBL story. Not sure, but maybe he read or heard something that's causing him to reconsider, maybe he's not happy with the traction the story got" instead. sleepwalkers fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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I mean sure, if that's what you're saying, but you initially said that it was an about face on his story or an acknowledgement of failing to hype the story, which is 100 percent not true.
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Meltzer says in the WOR pod on April 9 that he doesn't care about firing JBL which he says again in the post. He calls Layfield gutless on the show and talks about JBL's past behaviour, but mentions in the Observer that the belief 'across the board' is that Layfield has permission from Vince to weed out 'weak' people. He says on the pod that he was worried about Mauro working for WWE because he knows the culture, mentality and Vince. He went in hard on JBL on the pod but it's not like his post walks back from anything he said. Seems to me like he said everything he wanted to say about JBL on the pod and is now focusing on what he believes the real issue is: a cultural problem in WWE that stems from Vince. The implication here is that firing JBL won't solve anything because Vince will just find somebody else to bully people for him. Really the story here imo is that Meltzer believes the bullying is in some way personally directed by Vince (rather than just being tolerated by Vince, which is bad enough).
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So in attempt to move away for subforum cancer rovert, what was big Dave's take on the HOSS OFF last night?
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Seams posted:Really the story here imo is that Meltzer believes the bullying is in some way personally directed by Vince (rather than just being tolerated by Vince, which is bad enough). While it happened back in the attitude era, I don't think modern day Vince is that far developed beyond a guy that would fart in people's faces. MazelTovCocktail posted:So in attempt to move away for subforum cancer rovert, what was big Dave's take on the HOSS OFF last night? He and Bryan hated the match mostly, but they liked the end though for some reason neither could remember the last time it happened (Show/Henry in 2011) they felt it was far enough out of people's minds that it was an ok time to repeat the spot. Bryan liked that they teased the superplex a couple times which made the crowd really hot for when it did happen. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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MazelTovCocktail posted:So in attempt to move away for subforum cancer rovert, what was big Dave's take on the HOSS OFF last night? I want to move along too. If people about think Meltzer's forum post doesn't represent even a mild change in stance/tact fair enough.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:So in attempt to move away for subforum cancer rovert, what was big Dave's take on the HOSS OFF last night?
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can we get a roast rovert thread so we can get back to the usual nonsense and non-contextual posts this thread normally does?
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rovert posted:"The problem isn't about JBL, even though I spent 20 minutes calling him gutless and praised my own writing saying the problem was JBL." your life is probably real bad
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coconono posted:can we get a roast rovert thread There's already enough online dammit.
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Make a rovert posting quarantie thread, but make rovert IK
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Junpei Hyde posted:Make a rovert posting quarantie thread, but make rovert IK Thall piss people off becauseyou can't ignore mods/IKs. Good plan.
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skipping the last two pages but MRT is right and rovert is wrong about meltz going out of his way to say jbl isnt really the problem
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Venomous posted:as always, Fire Vince Vince... was Always Bad???
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My takeaway from this is that Dave Meltzer is not only a really good journalist, he's also very likeable and handsome.
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Gonzo McFee posted:My takeaway from this is that Dave Meltzer is not only a really good journalist, he's also very likeable and handsome. Have you heard about his abs?
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It's typical rovert. Heavily imply something, then claims his actual point is something that is entirely subjective and not quantifiable in any way so that when people start attacking his heavy implication, he can cry that he's being misrepresented.
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Malcolm Excellent posted:Have you heard about his abs? Big Dave wearing nothing but his leather Jacket and a smile, getting all the scoops
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sportsgenius86 posted:It's typical rovert. Heavily imply something, then claims his actual point is something that is entirely subjective and not quantifiable in any way so that when people start attacking his heavy implication, he can cry that he's being misrepresented. You would understand his take better if you were on Dark Twitter, though
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Dave answered the wrestling audience/ad rates question exactly as I hoped he would
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:You would understand his take better if you were on Dark Twitter, though I don't understand what Black Twitter has to do with bullying in the WWE but alright.
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What the gently caress are any of you talking about stop ruining my thread also I agree that these B&V guest Whale Scout hosts have not been great.
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yeah definitely not as good as years past. i've kinda tuned out of the podcasts midway through.
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Karmine posted:What the gently caress are any of you talking about stop ruining my thread also I agree that these B&V guest Whale Scout hosts have not been great. This is Dave Meltzer's thread now, fucker.
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MassRafTer posted:This is Dave Meltzer's thread now, fucker. Now that the pisscast is dead
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