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Pick posted:Nothing would have happened, period. Bernie doesn't have inroads even among the Democrats, because he's not one, among other issues. And it would be a problem, because unlike Obama '08, there wouldn't even be a short term of getting anything done and it would discourage voters for life. Bernie had no leverage to make any promises come true, and you can't flub hope/change twice in a row and expect people to battered-wife their way back to the polls for round 3. it's seriously pathetic how you're writing fanfiction about how bernie getting nominated would somehow lead to even even worse reality than this one, where trump is president and the republicans are in charge of everything
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spacetoaster posted:Except she's just a younger Clinton (as it pertains to being owned by corporations like boeing and lockmart). I don't give a poo poo as long as she promotes single-payer and free college tuition, which would unfuck 70% of the problems in this country.
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Yug posted:I wonder if they would have even let bernie have a supreme court justice though. I bet he would have just meekly bowed his head and kept garland even after he poo poo talked him in the primary. I think Garland would have gotten in and been exactly the weak-right that Obama always was. Ultimately, I think Trump winning is better for the DNC than the DNC winning, because now the DNC gets to have 4 years of people forgetting that they suck in power. If you get 12 straight years of loving up in power people might actually remember that. Much like Republican voters recently forgot that Republicans suck in power. It's an amusing tug-of-war with neither side realizing that politics is full of nasty little dumb shitheads who were absolutely that kid who you loving hated. You know, the one who ran for class president. That kid was a douche wasn't he. Yes he was.
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Stexils posted:it's seriously pathetic how you're writing fanfiction about how bernie getting nominated would somehow lead to even even worse reality than this one, where trump is president and the republicans are in charge of everything The Republicans dumped TPP and flubbed healthcare so things aren't going nearly as bad as I expected, frankly.
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Stexils posted:it's seriously pathetic how you're writing fanfiction about how bernie getting nominated would somehow lead to even even worse reality than this one, where trump is president and the republicans are in charge of everything It's true though it would. This reality is cool and hilarious.
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Alienwarehouse posted:I don't give a poo poo as long as she promotes single-payer and free college tuition, which would unfuck 70% of the problems in this country. Free college tuition is not what we need. We need to realize that it doesn't make sense for everyone to go to college and be out of the workforce for 4 years just so they can drink a lot and get herpes. We need better K-12.
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Pick posted:The Republicans dumped TPP and flubbed healthcare so things aren't going nearly as bad as I expected, frankly. Yeah seriously. I hope Trump gets his 1 trillion dollar infrastructure package too.
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Pick posted:Nah, you didn't read it. Get far enough and you'll see what they're talking about in terms of having to offer people more money. This part? quote:“The visa program is well conceived. Employers have to prove they cannot fill jobs to use it,” he says. “They have to pay thousands to advertise jobs, and if any American comes along, they get the job.”
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Alienwarehouse posted:I don't give a poo poo as long as she promotes single-payer and free college tuition, which would unfuck 70% of the problems in this country. Jeez. What's it going to take to get the democrats to be antiwar again. lol
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Repealing Obamacare would have been a cataclysm but against all odds they completely shat the bed.
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spacetoaster posted:Jeez. What's it going to take to get the democrats to be antiwar again. lol Again??
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spacetoaster posted:Jeez. What's it going to take to get the democrats to be antiwar again. lol Last I checked she doesn't want to overthrow Assad, like 99% of Democrats do ATM.
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...and the pitch! posted:This part? That's their claim, but the work's being done and they're paying more for it.
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Yug posted:Yeah seriously. I hope Trump gets his 1 trillion dollar infrastructure package too. im all about infrastructure spending but his package is largely tax incentives and cuts so 
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Yeah Gabbard is like one of the least hawkish democrats. If anyone but assad wins in syria the middle east is super hosed.
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this thread was real good until the earnest political posters showed up. please go back to d&d or whatever cave you people post in.
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phasmid posted:I just like making GBS threads on her because a bunch of people come out of the woodwork to wipe the poo poo off her and pretend they don't smell anything.
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Yug posted:Supply and demand friend. Ah yes, this reminds me of the terrible years of the early 20th century when the teeming masses of immigrants swarmed over the United States and destroyed the middle class for half a century. The basic idiotic macroeconomic rejoinder is that immigrants also, you know, buy stuff and grow GDP so there are not only more workers but more jobs. You can buy it or not but more workers = badder wages is obviously not always true. Pick posted:Nah, you didn't read it. Get far enough and you'll see what they're talking about in terms of having to offer people more money. quote:Smith adds prices and wages don’t change whether a subcontractor has a legal or illegal crew. There’s enough work available that if a laborer is not paid fairly, they can easily find another construction job with better wages. Smith points to turnover rates on local work sites as evidence of this. quote:Common arguments against immigrant workers—that they displace American workers and depress wages—don’t hold much weight in the local construction industry. Immigrants can’t displace domestic workers when not enough Americans want the jobs, builders say. quote:The problem is no Americans come along. Or if they do, they don’t stay. Labor unions have argued Americans don’t go after farm jobs because wages are too low. But the 2017 wage rate for Louisiana H-2A workers is above minimum wage at $10.38 an hour. Anyway it's neither here nor there because you were talking about hard evidence from already implemented policies and the article you posted is mostly speculative (of course). Again, it's not like a law of nature that shrinking a workforce will boost wages--since those workers are also consumers. porfiria fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Pick posted:One of the "Pro"s listed for the TPP was it might increase wages in developing countries. Maybe that will offset their dramatically increased drug prices!
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she is real bad. the reason you smell poo poo is because she is actually incontinent too. but instead of "lol gently caress hillary" which was fun we now have people arguing about "single payer" and other bullshit. e: great and now line-by-line breakdowns of articles about minimum wage.
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Immigrant labor generates value for US companies and they pay taxes. It's funny to me that there are breitbarters out there who think illegal migrant workers are getting free college.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Last I checked she doesn't want to overthrow Assad, like 99% of Democrats do ATM. Lockheed isn't going to like that. 
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hillary clinton had vince foster murdered and that's a provable fact. NOT MY ABUELA!!!!
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...and the pitch! posted:Immigrant labor generates value for US companies and they pay taxes. Wow all I have to do is be a US company then instead of a regular working person whose wages are lower because an immigrant will work it under the table. Thanks democrats!!
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Yug posted:Wow all I have to do is be a US company then instead of a regular working person whose wages are lower because an immigrant will work it under the table. Instead of trying to gently caress over poor illegal immigrants, fight for communism.
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porfiria posted:Instead of trying to gently caress over poor illegal immigrants, fight for communism. No that's loving retarded.
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Yug posted:Wow all I have to do is be a US company then instead of a regular working person whose wages are lower because an immigrant will work it under the table. Gee, it seems like neither party has much stomach to go after "small" business. I feel like regular US citizens should all be able to see that.
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Pick posted:Nothing would have happened, period. Bernie doesn't have inroads even among the Democrats, because he's not one, among other issues. And it would be a problem, because unlike Obama '08, there wouldn't even be a short term of getting anything done and it would discourage voters for life. Bernie had no leverage to make any promises come true, and you can't flub hope/change twice in a row and expect people to battered-wife their way back to the polls for round 3. i too remember when bernie campaigned on the promise of "elect me and i'll wave my magic wand and make all this poo poo happen, i promise." maybe he could have built a loyal following if he instead focused on "building movements" by keeping his grassroots organizations engaged after the election, instead of disbanding them like obama. really bernie should have used more realistic language, talking broadly about the overall ambitions of his campaign while simultaneously speaking about the strategies required to get that sort of policy implemented. oh wait, that's exactly what he did. jesus christ, its only been a year since he was actively campaigning and people have no idea what he was saying but will still blurt out inane bullshit like they have any sort of clue.
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bonerjam posted:she is real bad. I know, I got to this thread way too late. The failure of Hillary Clinton's campaign is legitimately fascinating though.
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porfiria posted:Instead of trying to gently caress over poor illegal immigrants, fight for communism. Marxist-leninism or Trotskyism?
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RaySmuckles posted:i too remember when bernie campaigned on the promise of "elect me and i'll wave my magic wand and make all this poo poo happen, i promise." maybe he could have built a loyal following if he instead focused on "building movements" by keeping his grassroots organizations engaged after the election, instead of disbanding them like obama. really bernie should have used more realistic language, talking broadly about the overall ambitions of his campaign while simultaneously speaking about the strategies required to get that sort of policy implemented. You can't keep people interested that long. You cannot loving do it.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:I know, I got to this thread way too late. The failure of Hillary Clinton's campaign is legitimately fascinating though. the greeks would write an epic about it if they weren't busy with getting totally hosed atm
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Hollywood should remake Born in East L.A. and then finally collapse in on itself.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Marxist-leninism or Trotskyism? What's the one that turns your country into a despotic impoverished hellhole? Oh all of them??
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...and the pitch! posted:Hollywood should remake Born in East L.A. and then finally collapse in on itself. We need a new HUAC except all it does is root out pedophiles
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Alienwarehouse posted:Marxist-leninism or Trotskyism? no, idiot, communism 
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Yug posted:What's the one that turns your country into a despotic impoverished hellhole? Have you seen China lately? Socialism in One Country is the model I prefer.
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