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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:We need a new HUAC except all it does is root out pedophiles Are you now or have you ever been a tviv moderator.
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Pick posted:You can't keep people interested that long. You cannot loving do it. people were chomping at the bit to get involved under obama and he squandered that poo poo occupy took place during his presidency. people were ready for action people were ready for bernie. your blanket statement of "people will probably get disinterested, i'm sure, because movements never ever happen" is asinine
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I really hope this neoliberal hipster bullshit is done for good in the DNC.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Have you seen China lately? Socialism in One Country is the model I prefer. No one can see China through its impenetrable layer of smog
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This past Sunday was Easter. It's a day when fellow Catholics return to church and they hear about the sacrifice made by Jesus so that their souls might enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Many of the people there believe, they really do, in the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ. They will be inspired. Some of them will resolve to be more religious, and some of them will show up the next Sunday. Some will even show up the Sunday after that. But a month later, the congregation is back down to normal, and we'll see the others on Christmas (maybe). You just can't pull people in for the long haul, even for their immortal souls, so god knows you're going to have problems rallying them for week 30 of fighting for single payer health care.
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Alienwarehouse posted:I really hope this neoliberal hipster bullshit is done for good in the DNC. neoliberal hipster bullshit is the entire democrat party. Get used to it or vote for somebody else.
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Yug posted:No one can see China through its impenetrable layer of smog Yeah, I forgot how much better capitalist LA is in this department.
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Yug posted:neoliberal hipster bullshit is the entire democrat party. Get used to it or vote for somebody else. Son, you're fooling yourself if you think socialism isn't the future of the Democratic Party. (I prefer communism, though)
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Alienwarehouse posted:Yeah, I forgot how much better capitalist LA is in this department. If you can;t acknowledge this basic fact then you have some mental problems. LA is a smoggy shithole but it's nothing like Communist Paradise China.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Marxist-leninism or Trotskyism? juche
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Alienwarehouse posted:Son, you're fooling yourself if you think socialism isn't the future of the Democratic Party. (I prefer communism, though) Wow you really are a moron then.
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Yug posted:nothing like Communist Paradise China. This is correct. 
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food court bailiff posted:What was really, really cool was all of the people claiming that if you supported Bernie over Hillary it must be due to misogyny. I'm sure that won a lot of hearts and minds. Nothing like antagonizing your potential voters, right? It's a much better plan than coming up with decent policies and campaigning in places where you need votes the most. Yet more evidence that dropping sick negs doesn't work
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Yug posted:Wow you really are a moron then. Well, I look forward to the bloodshed at the 2020 DNC if they gently caress us over with superdelegates. I'll give you that.
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If China is the best you can come up with for Communist success stories, I will politely decline your offer for full communism now.
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China's in serious economic trouble.
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Pick posted:This past Sunday was Easter. It's a day when fellow Catholics return to church and they hear about the sacrifice made by Jesus so that their souls might enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Many of the people there believe, they really do, in the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ. They will be inspired. ah yes, annual holiday of millennia-old religion that has been dwindling for over a century is the exact same as an opportunity to try and make a once in a generational change to the social contract. political movements never happen, change is impossible, only the people doing a thing right now can be counted on doing a thing in the future. african americans will never rise up for civil rights, the gays won't march on washington, people won't protest iraq/vietnam, occupy won't last long enough to be forcibly shut down by the government, etc. come on, 
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Alienwarehouse posted:Well, I look forward to the bloodshed at the 2020 DNC if they gently caress us over with superdelegates. I'll give you that. You say "us" like you're relevant to the political process at all. You'll fall in line just like you did in 2016. You always do because there will be super scary racist woman hater trump to vote against in 2020 and in 2024 it will be some other mean old republican super bigot that you have to vote against. You will never learn.
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Yug posted:You say "us" like you're relevant to the political process at all. You'll fall in line just like you did in 2016. You always do because there will be super scary racist woman hater trump to vote against in 2020 and in 2024 it will be some other mean old republican super bigot that you have to vote against. You will never learn. We didn't fall in line in 2016. Why do you think Hillary lost? (And you still lost the popular vote!)
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RaySmuckles posted:ah yes, annual holiday of millennia-old religion that has been dwindling for over a century is the exact same as an opportunity to try and make a once in a generational change to the social contract. Trump 2020 
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Alienwarehouse posted:We didn't fall in line in 2016. Why do you think Hillary lost? (And you still lost the popular vote!) Yeah it seemed like people preferred the scary bigot
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Alienwarehouse posted:We didn't fall in line in 2016. Why do you think Hillary lost? (And you still lost the popular vote!)
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...and the pitch! posted:Yeah it seemed like people preferred the scary bigot You jest, surely.
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spacetoaster posted:Trump 2020 He's going to win. Everyone who's so sure he has to lose are the same ones who were so sure he was losing in 2016. Nothing can stop the winning.
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...and the pitch! posted:Yeah it seemed like people preferred the scary bigot But enough about Hillary.
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Yug posted:Enough working class people who voted Obama in 08 and 12 voted for Trump. That's what happened. The hard core socialist that make up 1 or 2% of the party didn't make a difference and they never do. Goddamn are you ever a huge retard. Low democrat turnout got trump elected, not a couple of morons who switched from Obama to Trump.
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spacetoaster posted:But enough about Hillary. Trump is definitely less of a homophobe than Clinton at least. Probably more racist though, let's be fair. (But not a lot more)
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Yug posted:Enough working class people who voted Obama in 08 and 12 voted for Trump. That's what happened. The hard core socialist that make up 1 or 2% of the party didn't make a difference and they never do. Rustbelt voters would have went for Bernie. They knew he was authentic on trade, given his record. Like, I'm so surprised that the Rustbelt ignored a candidate that ignored them for thirty years in favor of a billionaire blowhard that at least visited them during the campaign.
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Streak posted:Goddamn are you ever a huge retard. Simply isn't true. Working class people in the upper midwest who voted Obama twice switched to Trump. This is what won him the election.
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Yug posted:He's going to win. Everyone who's so sure he has to lose are the same ones who were so sure he was losing in 2016. Nothing can stop the winning. no that i agree with you, but you do make one salient point just about every major thing people said trump "couldn't possibly do" he's done at this point underestimating or writing off that man is delusional
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Alienwarehouse posted:Rustbelt voters would have went for Bernie. They knew he was authentic on trade, given his record. Like, I'm so surprised that the Rustbelt ignored a candidate that ignored them for thirty years in favor of a billionaire blowhard that at least visited them during the campaign. If you're saying "Bernie would have won" I already agreed with you. But working class rust belt voters aren't hard core socialist and communists and they aren't going to deliver you a giant left wing wave to make the democrat party any less poo poo.
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Yug posted:Trump is definitely less of a homophobe than Clinton at least. Oh yeah, Hillary blatently pandered to gays for votes. Donald was writing page long congratulations to Elton John and stuff years ago. I'm not sure on the racism thing though. Immigration stuff really isn't racism. Discriminatory, sure, but not racism. Unless we go back to his real estate stuff, but he blamed that on it being his father's policy and he did change it (after a lawsuit though).
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Yug posted:If you're saying "Bernie would have won" I already agreed with you. But working class rust belt voters aren't hard core socialist and communists and they aren't going to deliver you a giant left wing wave to make the democrat party any less poo poo. Oh I think they will be, once they realize that Trump was full of poo poo on trade and the preservation of Medicare, Medicaid, and SS. I mean, there's only a record amount of suicides and drug addictions occurring in the region due to their livelihoods being outsourced by banks and corporations, AKA Trump's donors.
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Yug posted:If you're saying "Bernie would have won" I already agreed with you. But working class rust belt voters aren't hard core socialist and communists and they aren't going to deliver you a giant left wing wave to make the democrat party any less poo poo. i think there's fertile ground to plant the seeds for a movement. but it would need real support, something the establishment Dems would be unwilling to provide since it would potentially "harm" their donors. its not something that would just appear, but given 4 years of presidency and real effort i think you'd be surprised how open to those ideas people would be. either way, we can't know now and most likely never will (barring some sort of massive political shift). i agree that bernie's first election wouldn't be a massive wave, but i think it could set the stage for one later
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spacetoaster posted:Oh yeah, Hillary blatently pandered to gays for votes. Donald was writing page long congratulations to Elton John and stuff years ago. How about his insane obsession with blaming innocent black people for rapes?
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Streak posted:
Dem turnout was 57 million in 2012. It was 66 million in 2016. How is that a lower turnout?
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Yug posted:Enough working class people who voted Obama in 08 and 12 voted for Trump. That's what happened. The hard core socialist that make up 1 or 2% of the party didn't make a difference and they never do. It's worse than that. Democrat support collapsed across the Rust Belt. Compared to '12, across the Rust Belt, Democrats lost ~1.5m votes and Republicans gained ~0.5m votes, winning by 0.1m. Trump won by ~100,000 votes. Clinton lost ~400,000 votes in the black, indigenous and person-of-color category. Clinton lost ~400,000 votes in the $50k to $100k category. Clinton lost ~1,100,000 votes in the $0 to $50k category. And she lost by ~100,000. Edit:  
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porfiria posted:How about his insane obsession with blaming innocent black people for rapes? Is this a SUPER PREDATOR reference about Clinton?
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