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OneDeadman
Oct 16, 2010

[SUPERBIA]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsvJ7QdSBLU

this skit but it's Akechi owning Ryuji

also: Xillia 2 had basically S-Links that ended up giving you an extra scene during Plot happenings if you did character quests and I really wish Persona would adapt some of that beyond just the "if s link is maxed then this scene will happen"

OneDeadman fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Apr 20, 2017

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Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

CharlestheHammer posted:

They aren't a bad idea but they need to be supplemented.

Yeah, I think in general they should be about less weighty stuff overall. Like general work/life balance, or even what Makoto's link was in 5.

Having fundamental character change locked to them really constricts stuff because you have to write around it with the assumption its optional.

Which works for side characters tbf.

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?

DoubleCakes posted:

I really hope they reuse their assets and engine to make another SMT game or something like they did in the PS2 era. A new wave of current gen SMT would be baller.

the problem with this is that even if they reuse all these sick HD demon models they still have to render an entire game of hallways to dungeon crawl in & that will take a lot longer than it did back in the ps2 days

they could only barely get away with making a game that was mostly pre-rendered backgrounds in 2007, that poo poo won't fly a decade later

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I'm hoping we get another Persona game in a couple years like 3 > 4 and they use actual good textures. Boy oh boy, are the incidental world detail textures loving gross. Definitely a PS3 port.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

guts and bolts posted:

But if the game periodically stopped so I could read a conversation with character portrait panes talking about boring nonsense I'd probably not like that.
i mean the game already stops perodically so that the SIU guy can go 'muahaha. i am evil. allow me to explain this extremely obvious thing for the benefit of players who are nine years old. even in japan this game is rated 15+, why are you playing this nine year olds. did i mention i am evil.' for minutes at a time, you could cut all that out and replace it with interparty stuff.

and at the end of the day, I like the casts of these games. Like, they're good characters. But I feel like I know less about them and have gotten to spend less time with them than the party of your average tales game, which is absurd since persona games are like twice as long as modern tales games and every single part of these games is basically self-fellatio about how deep and complex their characters are. Like, Ryuji is rad and it sucks that 90% of his screentime is spent talking to a brick wall that occasionally spits music notes at him, or yelling The Plot loud enough for the cheap seats to get it. He has like seven lines total of interaction with Makoto but I love every single one of them and wish I had gotten way more of their dynamic.

I guess part of this is a problem caused by blank slate protagonists, but even if Joker had actual lines, the fact that 97.3% of everyone's screentime is spent bouncing off him and no one else would suck. These games are literally based around the idea that people use a multi-faceted mask to interact with society, so it's weird that they don't let us actually see the different sides of the characters.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Really giving the MC voice would help a lot it would make it feel like a conversation rather than your anime friends talking to a wall.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

darealkooky posted:

the problem with this is that even if they reuse all these sick HD demon models they still have to render an entire game of hallways to dungeon crawl in & that will take a lot longer than it did back in the ps2 days

they could only barely get away with making a game that was mostly pre-rendered backgrounds in 2007, that poo poo won't fly a decade later

If nothing else they're probably going to use these demon models (and maybe some of the spell animations) in the Switch SMT game that was announced. They went through all the trouble of making them in HD, why do it all over again for the same set of demons, y'know?

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
I mean the only characters who interact are Ryuji/Ann and Futuba/Yusuke and those are fun just more of that.

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?

Harrow posted:

If nothing else they're probably going to use these demon models (and maybe some of the spell animations) in the Switch SMT game that was announced. They went through all the trouble of making them in HD, why do it all over again for the same set of demons, y'know?

oh for sure, we'll get SOMETHING from them or they''re the most wasteful devs this side of kojipro, but to expect another ps2 situation where you got a game every year is not realistic

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

The future of SMT seems really sketch if the Persona team is just going off to do their own new thing now. I'd love a SMT revival as much as anybody but among known projects it seems to be just the apocalypse team doing the switch game, and whatever dumpy team they have doing the strange journey remake, I wouldn't expect great volume out of them

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

No Mods No Masters posted:

The future of SMT seems really sketch if the Persona team is just going off to do their own new thing now. I'd love a SMT revival as much as anybody but among known projects it seems to be just the apocalypse team doing the switch game, and whatever dumpy team they have doing the strange journey remake, I wouldn't expect great volume out of them

The Persona team still exists and is presumably working on new projects.

Its just the director of 3/4/5 who's moved on to another thing.

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Zore posted:

The Persona team still exists and is presumably working on new projects.

Its just the director of 3/4/5 who's moved on to another thing.

Maybe it was me reading between the lines, but I took the fantasy game announcement to signify that the cream of the persona team is going off to do that and P-studio will handle the requisite spinoffs and rereleases for a while. That may be me reading too much into it I will admit

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

No Mods No Masters posted:

The future of SMT seems really sketch if the Persona team is just going off to do their own new thing now. I'd love a SMT revival as much as anybody but among known projects it seems to be just the apocalypse team doing the switch game, and whatever dumpy team they have doing the strange journey remake, I wouldn't expect great volume out of them

I mean, Persona is Atlus's most popular series. I highly doubt they're going to let it fade away. It might be a while before the next big Persona game, but there'll be one and Atlus is going to take it seriously.

Now, as for main SMT, I'm pretty sure the Apocalypse team is pretty much the main SMT team these days, so the Switch one is likely the next thing on the horizon. I don't think we're going to get another PS2 spinoffs-galore heyday, unfortunately.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean the only characters who interact are Ryuji/Ann and Futuba/Yusuke and those are fun just more of that.

Tbf Ryuiji and Morgana have a lot of interaction but it's almost entirely one saying the other sucks

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

ROFL Octopus posted:

Tbf Ryuiji and Morgana have a lot of interaction but it's almost entirely one saying the other sucks

Ann/Makoto also start out having a lot of interaction, though that drops as the game goes on.

Ryuji and Makoto also have a lot of scenes which is interesting.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean the only characters who interact are Ryuji/Ann and Futuba/Yusuke and those are fun just more of that.

Haru and Morgana get a couple of cute scenes I like.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Zore posted:

Ann/Makoto also start out having a lot of interaction, though that drops as the game goes on.

Ryuji and Makoto also have a lot of scenes which is interesting.

They have the biggest contrast in the group.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

SyntheticPolygon posted:

Haru and Morgana get a couple of cute scenes I like.

She's the only one who gets away with treating him like a cat, picking him up and putting him on her lap and stuff, it's great

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Harrow posted:

She's the only one who gets away with treating him like a cat, picking him up and putting him on her lap and stuff, it's great

She calls him senpai. :3:

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Moltrey posted:

The development you see in Chie and Yukiko Social Links happens completely without the other person. I can say that Chie and Yukiko never say another word to each other that we don't see on screen and hell that's basically true.

I really don't see how that's the case, they clearly talk and interact outside of school.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things
I'm going to be honest, the greatest disappointment of this game was that Morgana never gets a cell phone.

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Frankly, they should make another devil survivor, in this poster's honest opinion

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

No Mods No Masters posted:

Frankly, they should make another devil survivor, in this poster's honest opinion

I would be happy with that if they got someone who could actually draw human bodies to do the art this time.

Because goddamn is the art bad.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe

8-Bit Scholar posted:

I really don't see how that's the case, they clearly talk and interact outside of school.
That's probably true, but hell if I can think of a single time they interact when they're not sitting at the same Junes table

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Moltrey posted:

That's probably true, but hell if I can think of a single time they interact when they're not sitting at the same Junes table

They help Nanako with homework once!

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

By the Law of Atlus, one devil survivor equals at least three products in the long term: a game, the game sold a second time perhaps with an additional character or scenario, and at least one really rank rear end anime. It can only be a good financial decision to create

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!
Is there a new game + item at the end from the fool?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

8-Bit Scholar posted:

I really don't see how that's the case, they clearly talk and interact outside of school.
yeah, and the sexy temperance mom is clearly breastfeeding teddie. what? that never happens? well, there's nothing saying it doesn't happen. its not like you have to be shoehorned in to see the symbolic scenes of the sexy kindergarten milf revealing one of her boobs.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
When Makoto finally calls out the host for being a piece of poo poo I wish you got a choice of call friends so that your entire party can watch what happens to somebody stupid enough to mess with her.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!
I guess ultimately I can see the points here but also while in the middle of playing the game none of that really bothers me

then again I'm also only in june so

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

Endorph posted:

yeah, and the sexy temperance mom is clearly breastfeeding teddie. what? that never happens? well, there's nothing saying it doesn't happen. its not like you have to be shoehorned in to see the symbolic scenes of the sexy kindergarten milf revealing one of her boobs.

This is a real weird post

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yeah...

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Endorph posted:

yeah, and the sexy temperance mom is clearly breastfeeding teddie. what? that never happens? well, there's nothing saying it doesn't happen. its not like you have to be shoehorned in to see the symbolic scenes of the sexy kindergarten milf revealing one of her boobs.

A rare look into the diseased mind of someone who ranks kanji as bad, folks

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Endorph posted:

yeah, and the sexy temperance mom is clearly breastfeeding teddie. what? that never happens? well, there's nothing saying it doesn't happen. its not like you have to be shoehorned in to see the symbolic scenes of the sexy kindergarten milf revealing one of her boobs.

This thread is another reality that the goon's heart projects. One could say it’s a world in which one’s distorted desires have materialized...

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?

Endorph posted:

yeah, and the sexy temperance mom is clearly breastfeeding teddie. what? that never happens? well, there's nothing saying it doesn't happen. its not like you have to be shoehorned in to see the symbolic scenes of the sexy kindergarten milf revealing one of her boobs.

please don't post snippets of your erotic fanfiction in this thread.

post the full thing or none at all.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Guys need to get the memo, Persona 4 was actually a trash video game. Just like this one will be in a decade. Sorry the game you liked was garbage but it's time to take off the nostalgia goggles and grow up. This red tendril sucking out my willpower? Don't worry about it, it's you guys who are the problem not me!

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

teddie glanced up at temperance lady.

"wow, ma'am. you sure have childBEARing hips!"

and then baofu and ulala turned off the porno and made out.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Jimbot posted:

Guys need to get the memo, Persona 4 was actually a trash video game. Just like this one will be in a decade. Sorry the game you liked was garbage but it's time to take off the nostalgia goggles and grow up. This red tendril sucking out my willpower? Don't worry about it, it's you guys who are the problem not me!

Persona 4 can have issues, doesn't make it bad

No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Another lovely post? What's the point of arguing... the mods will take care of it anyway. Besides, the world's going to end soon.

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darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?

Jimbot posted:

Guys need to get the memo, Persona 4 was actually a trash video game. Just like this one will be in a decade. Sorry the game you liked was garbage but it's time to take off the nostalgia goggles and grow up. This red tendril sucking out my willpower? Don't worry about it, it's you guys who are the problem not me!

excuse me, I didn't like persona 4 when it came out (or more accurately, about a couple weeks after when I actually thought about anything that happened in it), please don't mislabel me

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