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I hope trump fucks Canadian dairy farmers. #maga
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Apr 20, 2017 19:54
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Not gonna be much of a war.
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Apr 20, 2017 19:54
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There are existing arbitration clauses with NAFTA, he can try there like Obama did with softwood lumber
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Apr 20, 2017 19:57
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We basically don't export dairy so the whole thing is clearly just posturing.
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Apr 20, 2017 20:00
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Their dairy farmers are struggling because of their own overproduction and policies, literally nothing to do with Canada. He probably heard it on Fox News or Breitbart.
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Apr 20, 2017 20:06
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Mad Hamish posted:On the one hand, good, because too many businesses are abusing the TFW program. It's a complete PR stunt and does nothing. In order to allow TFWs companies have to prove they have tried to hire locally but have not been able to. If the skilled pool is as large as the NDP says it is companies wouldn't be approved in the first place.
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Apr 20, 2017 20:11
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cougar cub posted:In order to allow TFWs companies have to prove they have tried to hire locally but have not been able to. How well is that evaluated?
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Apr 20, 2017 20:16
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cougar cub posted:It's a complete PR stunt and does nothing. In order to allow TFWs companies have to prove they have tried to hire locally but have not been able to. If the skilled pool is as large as the NDP says it is companies wouldn't be approved in the first place. We had the ad in the newspaper for 2 months, but there are no welders in Fort Mac that speak fluent Romanian, which is required to interpret our technical drawings 
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Apr 20, 2017 20:16
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"Nobody would do this job for $20,000/a, oh well."
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Apr 20, 2017 20:22
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There are just some jobs canadians won't do* *for less than the cost of living
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Apr 20, 2017 20:24
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Powershift posted:There are just some jobs canadians won't do* Sometimes they require you to be an expert miner with mandarin speaking skills
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Apr 20, 2017 20:26
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Man it's like cracking down on TFWs is an empty political gesture
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Apr 20, 2017 20:28
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Subjunctive posted:How well is that evaluated? You need to provide all of the ads, posting locations, received applicants, interviews, rejection / turn downs, hires, etc. Your wages being offered will also be compared to what the HRDC thinks is industry standard for the area. Then if accepted you need to show all the same for hires through the program. Basically show your work / effort and if you are missing anything you'll be rejected. When done right there is a high chance of TFW to perm resident. Programs I've been involved in have about a 80% conversion rate. Re: wages - I hear the complaints but you also have to think about the lifestyle and social standing of a position. Just ask yourself how much would you have to be paid to flip burgers on a night shift?
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Apr 20, 2017 21:00
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cougar cub posted:You need to provide all of the ads, posting locations, received applicants, interviews, rejection / turn downs, hires, etc. Your wages being offered will also be compared to what the HRDC thinks is industry standard for the area. Then if accepted you need to show all the same for hires through the program. but that's kind of the point isn't it? If people won't do the job for a poo poo wage, ~~~~the market~~~~ dictates you should raise the wage until you find someone who will. Someone who wouldn't flip burgers on a night shift for minimum wage probably would for a living wage.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:01
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peter banana posted:but that's kind of the point isn't it? If people won't do the job for a poo poo wage, ~~~~the market~~~~ dictates you should raise the wage until you find someone who will. Someone who wouldn't flip burgers on a night shift for minimum wage probably would for a living wage. Totally agree with you. How much do you want to pay for a late night burger? Would be a fun exercise to run the math using that number to try and determine what you think workers should be paid.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:07
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cougar cub posted:Re: wages - I hear the complaints but you also have to think about the lifestyle and social standing of a position. Just ask yourself how much would you have to be paid to flip burgers on a night shift? Enough monthly to pay for rent, utilities, groceries and transportation costs to and from work with some money left over at the end of the month for savings and personal stuff? Is that too much? oh well, then, better scour the poor countries for captive labour. Can't increase the price of burgers, locals can barely afford them now after paying rent.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:08
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cougar cub posted:Totally agree with you. I mean, they could raise prices. That is an option. However, there is another of course, and that could be, just maybe, stay with me here: the guys in the C-suites of fast food companies who make several hundred times more than the burger flipper could make slightly less in the short term? I mean, it's just an option.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:16
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The whole TFW thing shouldn't exist. If you can't find enough workers to staff the Timmies at the halfway point of the highway between Buttfucton and Armpitville for minimum wage, you should offer higher wages. If nobody still bites and you need to raise the wages so high that the business couldn't succeed, then the market has dictated that there should not be a Timmies there, end of story.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:21
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Since our system is so heavily weighted towards existing rich people our only hope is to drive inflation up which will basically transfer wealth to young people.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:25
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May as well take on as much debt as you can. Either hyperinflation will take care of it or the government will keep interest rates low forever because the alternative is people possibly being mad enough to force meaningful change in this country. EDIT: this is actually a poo poo post don't actually do this it's terrible advice.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:26
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cougar cub posted:You need to provide all of the ads, posting locations, received applicants, interviews, rejection / turn downs, hires, etc. Your wages being offered will also be compared to what the HRDC thinks is industry standard for the area. Then if accepted you need to show all the same for hires through the program. The TFW program is streamed though isn't it (or rather there are several programs that collectively get referred to as TFW)? Agricultural workers don't have a path to citizenship, and live-in caregivers only got that right recently. Do the people who come to work at Tim Hortons have a path to citizenship or only more highly skilled workers?
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Apr 20, 2017 21:40
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CBC ran a piece titled "NDP losing the fight for fiscal credibility". It was only after people noticed that it was written by Kevin loving Falcon, former BC Liberal deputy premier and current real estate investment executive, that CBC tagged it as "opinion" and issued a statement congratulating themselves for offering a "range of views"
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Apr 20, 2017 21:52
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THC posted:CBC ran a piece titled "NDP losing the fight for fiscal credibility". It was only after people noticed that it was written by Kevin loving Falcon, former BC Liberal deputy premier and current real estate investment executive, that CBC tagged it as "opinion" and issued a statement congratulating themselves for offering a "range of views" I think when I first saw that article it was tagged as analysis which was confusing since it was obviously an op-ed.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:54
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So we all agree it's time to defund the cbc?
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Apr 20, 2017 21:56
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Duck Rodgers posted:The TFW program is streamed though isn't it (or rather there are several programs that collectively get referred to as TFW)? Agricultural workers don't have a path to citizenship, and live-in caregivers only got that right recently. Do the people who come to work at Tim Hortons have a path to citizenship or only more highly skilled workers? In general the path is easier if you are a skilled worker because it is a point system based on a bunch of categories. Being in Canada gives you access to education and work experience which are taken into consideration. The Tim Hortons worker who is allowed Education training in Canada (sometimes their work visa restricts education) will have a much greater chance than those that do not. Off memory I think you need 1 year of Canadian work experience at a manager level for maximum points. It's tough for sure, but can be done. Edit - I know nothing about the agi workers and live in caregivers. Only dealt with LMO required workers in the past. cougar cub fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Apr 20, 2017 21:55
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cougar cub posted:Totally agree with you. What percentage of the cost of a burger is wages (keeping in mind they're tax-deductible)? I would be surprised if it were more than 10.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:00
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Are people really bringing in TFWs to flip burgers?
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Apr 20, 2017 22:03
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Subjunctive posted:Are people really bringing in TFWs to flip burgers? Yes, and not treating them nicely in certain cases
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Apr 20, 2017 22:03
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Subjunctive posted:Are people really bringing in TFWs to flip burgers? Hahaha you haven't heard? This has been a thing for ages.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:04
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EvilJoven posted:Hahaha you haven't heard? This has been a thing for ages. I haven't been following the retail labour market in Canada, perhaps ever. Thanks!
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Apr 20, 2017 22:06
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"Why is this generation so lazy and entitled why when I was their age I put myself through college working at McDonalds and then got a job as an engineer making a great wage!" "It's because this generation can't get a job working at McDonalds so they go into massive debt to go to college then get a job as an engineering intern and don't even get paid for two years, then start making maybe 35K a year. Oh, also, houses cost a million dollars now."
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Apr 20, 2017 22:06
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Subjunctive posted:Are people really bringing in TFWs to flip burgers? Last numbers I saw a few years ago had ~250,000 TFW with closed permits (meaning they can only work at one employer) in Canada with about 1/3 of that being low skilled positions. Not sure where those numbers are today.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:10
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Subjunctive posted:What percentage of the cost of a burger is wages (keeping in mind they're tax-deductible)? I would be surprised if it were more than 10. Labour costs are probably like 25%
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Apr 20, 2017 22:17
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Subjunctive posted:What percentage of the cost of a burger is wages (keeping in mind they're tax-deductible)? I would be surprised if it were more than 10. Labor costs for restaurants are typically 25-35% of sales. EFB
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Apr 20, 2017 22:18
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DariusLikewise posted:Labour costs are probably like 25% OK, so with corporate tax rate crediting that's still more than I expected McDonalds to be spending on people. Thanks!
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Apr 20, 2017 22:22
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That's why they invested in those kiosks
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Apr 20, 2017 22:23
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I refuse to use those kiosks out of spite. In general nobody should be eating at McDonalds in the first place but sometimes their garbage food just hits the spot.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:23
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the kiosks haven't cut down on labour, they just make the kitchen more efficient
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Apr 20, 2017 22:24
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THC posted:the kiosks haven't cut down on labour, they just make the kitchen more efficient I thought they were able to eliminate a couple of front-facing cashier positions per store? If not, I'll need to re-evaluate business' response to the minimum wage hike.
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