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Star Man posted:There is one dragon in Shards of Alara block that is uncommon. The rest are all rares or mythic rares. And all dragons in Onslaught block are rare, even though Scourge pushes a dragon tribe. Scourge was only made a dragon themed set after the fact. The original design was "cmc matters" and the dragon flavor was added afterward. whydirt fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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TheChirurgeon posted:I don't think it has anything to do with the hypothetical 'dumbest idiot player.' Rather, I think it was more about whether younger players (the "Yugioh crowd" if you will) would be turned off by the idea of playing a game that was 20 years old. Think more "Magic? That's the game my fuckin dad plays" Yeah for me this still fits under the umbrella of dumbest motherfucker imaginable.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:34
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you know thats a funny post in light of yugioh being almost 20 years old itself
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Apr 20, 2017 21:38
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mandatory lesbian posted:the set's gonna prob have terror, it'll be fine Obviously gonna need Earthbind with the original art in a set full of uncommon flyers.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:43
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mandatory lesbian posted:you know thats a funny post in light of yugioh being almost 20 years old itself Yeah but it didn't hit the US until the early 2000s and hit its heyday around 2009/2010. Flash back to 2010/2011 when the decisions were being made for what to do for Magic's 20th anniversary, and you can see how a bunch of older execs worried about the game's loosening grip on younger players and the competition might get squeamish about advertising how old their game was.
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Apr 20, 2017 21:53
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whydirt posted:Scourge was only made a dragon themed set after the fact. The original design was "cmc matters" and the dragon flavor was added afterward. In hindsight, pre-Ravnica sets being inconsistently themed with the rest of the block was an absolutely terrible decision. My favorite was Fifth Dawn being rainbow themed in a block about colorless artifacts
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Apr 20, 2017 21:56
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dragon enthusiast posted:In hindsight, pre-Ravnica sets being inconsistently themed with the rest of the block was an absolutely terrible decision. My favorite was Fifth Dawn being rainbow themed in a block about colorless artifacts It wasn't all of them--Invasion/Planeshift/Apocalypse was pretty tight as a gold block Odyssey block was loving weird though
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Apr 20, 2017 22:01
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Star Man posted:There is one dragon in Shards of Alara block that is uncommon. The rest are all rares or mythic rares. And all dragons in Onslaught block are rare, even though Scourge pushes a dragon tribe. whydirt posted:Scourge was only made a dragon themed set after the fact. The original design was "cmc matters" and the dragon flavor was added afterward. The funniest part about this is that the "dragon tribal set" had a whopping FOUR dragon creatures in it.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:00
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Lone Goat posted:The funniest part about this is that the "dragon tribal set" had a whopping FOUR dragon creatures in it. Early Magic sets were even weirder about this, they just had no cohesion at all compared to modern ones. For example Fallen Empires had two goblin tribal cards (Grenade and Warrens) and only two actual Creature - Goblins, of which one is a rare and the other is a 0/2.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:04
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TheChirurgeon posted:Yeah but it didn't hit the US until the early 2000s and hit its heyday around 2009/2010. Flash back to 2010/2011 when the decisions were being made for what to do for Magic's 20th anniversary, and you can see how a bunch of older execs worried about the game's loosening grip on younger players and the competition might get squeamish about advertising how old their game was. It hit its heyday when the first season of the show was airing on American TV in 2001-2002. Also, 2001 was 16 years ago.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:07
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Lone Goat posted:The funniest part about this is that the "dragon tribal set" had a whopping FOUR dragon creatures in it. And one of them was a wizard.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:17
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You hear that? That's the sound of the price of Flusterstorm blasting off into space. http://www.manaleak.com/mtguk/2016/08/commander-anthology-magic-gathering-spoilers-news-updates/
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Ultiville posted:Early Magic sets were even weirder about this, they just had no cohesion at all compared to modern ones. For example Fallen Empires had two goblin tribal cards (Grenade and Warrens) and only two actual Creature - Goblins, of which one is a rare and the other is a 0/2. Early magic sets were intended to be expansion sets not to be played on their own without cards from the core sets. Ice Age was the first expansion that was supposed to be self-contained.
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Star Man posted:You hear that? That's the sound of the price of Flusterstorm blasting off into space. Those decks don't seem particularly tribal.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:25
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CompeAnansi posted:Those decks don't seem particularly tribal.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:28
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Alpha only had one merfolk for Lord of Atlantis (who wasn't a merfolk himself) to affect: Merfolk of the Pearl Trident.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:29
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Ultima66 posted:It hit its heyday when the first season of the show was airing on American TV in 2001-2002. Also, 2001 was 16 years ago. The card game didn't even get published in the US until 2002. The heyday of the card game was much later than the heyday of the show e: 2009 was when they got their Guiness shout-out for being the best-selling card game of all time
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Tales of Woe posted:Alpha only had one merfolk for Lord of Atlantis (who wasn't a merfolk himself) to affect: Merfolk of the Pearl Trident. Goblin King wasn't much better, with only Mons' Goblin Raiders and Goblin Balloon Brigade. And Zombie Master only had Scathe Zombies until Scavenging Ghoul much later got errata'd to be a zombie (it was originally just "summon ghoul".) Originally, the lords didn't even affect each other in multiples, because their type line was "summon Lord" rather than "summon goblin" or "summon zombie" or "summon merfolk".
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Tales of Woe posted:Alpha only had one merfolk for Lord of Atlantis (who wasn't a merfolk himself) to affect: Merfolk of the Pearl Trident. Wasn't that true of the zombie lord too? I don't remember any other than Scathe Zombies. Edit: Fallen empires had multiple Goblins-Matters cards in it and the only goblin was Goblin Chirurgeon, itself a goblins matters card. I know this acutely because I did a giant fallen empires sealed event a while back.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:37
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I know this acutely because I did a giant fallen empires sealed event a while back. Why would you do this to yourself. That kind of thing is always way more fun to joke about than actually do.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:44
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Wasn't that true of the zombie lord too? I don't remember any other than Scathe Zombies. I think Goblin Flotilla is a Goblin, isn't it? There was Scavenging Zombie and Scathe Zombies in Alpha. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Apr 20, 2017 22:47
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Tales of Woe posted:Alpha only had one merfolk for Lord of Atlantis (who wasn't a merfolk himself) to affect: Merfolk of the Pearl Trident. Yeah, the creature tribes were all tiny until I guess... the Dark was probably the first set to really go ahead and add support to Goblins at least. Legends had some Legends matter and Kobolds, but both were new things. Ice age also introduced a handful to the major tribes by mostly being flavors of alpha creatures. Then Fallen Empires ran with the idea, but decided to have multiple tribes per color in a set with a small number of cards, and gahhhh.
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Angry Grimace posted:I think Goblin Flotilla is a Goblin, isn't it? Yes, and a rare. Angry Grimace posted:There was Scavenging Zombie and Scathe Zombies in Alpha. Scavenging Ghoul was "summon Ghoul" until 2007. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/grand-creature-type-update-2007-09-26
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Entropic posted:Why would you do this to yourself. A box of 5th was cheap enough on ebay for a while that i was considering running a draft pod under 5th ed rules for my friends. In addition to me, there were at least 2 more judge level people who had played back in the day to arbitrate any disputes.
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clamiam45 posted:Yeah for me this still fits under the umbrella of dumbest motherfucker imaginable. 
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Angry Grimace posted:I think Goblin Flotilla is a Goblin, isn't it? Yes, and this time I double checked and it even was at the time.
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Apr 20, 2017 23:34
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Wasn't that true of the zombie lord too? I don't remember any other than Scathe Zombies. Yeah but you gotta remember that they made those sets with no limit on cards, so the idea was you'd run like 15 copies of Merfolk of the Pearl Trident or Scathe Zombies
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TheChirurgeon posted:Yeah but you gotta remember that they made those sets with no limit on cards, so the idea was you'd run like 15 copies of Merfolk of the Pearl Trident or Scathe Zombies That wasn't really true of even sets as early as Fallen Empires, though. Mostly they just hadn't come up with the idea that sets should stand alone and have mechanical themes, they were for the most part collections of cards maybe with some sort of story link. Fallen Empires was actually a step forward in those terms, though it was still really lose cf goblin tribal support.
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Ultiville posted:That wasn't really true of even sets as early as Fallen Empires, though. Mostly they just hadn't come up with the idea that sets should stand alone and have mechanical themes, they were for the most part collections of cards maybe with some sort of story link. Fallen Empires was actually a step forward in those terms, though it was still really lose cf goblin tribal support. Yeah, I just meant with Scathe Zombies and Merfolk of the Pearl Trident. The 4-of rule predates Fallen Empires e: also Fallen Empires did a mix of Orcs and goblins e2: Dwarves too. They definitely tried packing too much poo poo into each color TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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What if they're getting around the reserved list by recompiling cards that they had printed way back in the day? Something like how they put old cards into the first printing of Zendikar?
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The Sexual Shiite posted:What if they're getting around the reserved list by recompiling cards that they had printed way back in the day? How many of those remain? How much of that has been given away as supplemental bonuses to employees?
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What if they got around the reserved list by removing it, given that no one who qualitatively exists supports it?
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The Sexual Shiite posted:What if they're getting around the reserved list by recompiling cards that they had printed way back in the day? I think they quietly acquired those cards from second-hand sellers and insert them into packs. The masterpiece cards in Battle for Zendikar are a callback to that.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:What if they got around the reserved list by removing it, given that no one who qualitatively exists supports it? I have met a single person in my nine years of the game that would be angry if the reserved list was eliminated. This same person complained that Tarmogoyf is overprinted.
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They can get rid of the reserve list but it won't lead to an appreciable decrease in the cost of Vintage or Legacy staples. They will very carefully control their print runs and make anything super valuable a "Masterpiece". At the end of the day it will make very little difference for people trying to get into those formats just like Modern Masters has done gently caress all for Modern affordability.
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Smashing Link posted:They can get rid of the reserve list but it won't lead to an appreciable decrease in the cost of Vintage or Legacy staples. They will very carefully control their print runs and make anything super valuable a "Masterpiece". At the end of the day it will make very little difference for people trying to get into those formats just like Modern Masters has done gently caress all for Modern affordability. If you don't believe modern masters has gone a long way to making modern more affordable, you are an idiot.
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Smashing Link posted:They can get rid of the reserve list but it won't lead to an appreciable decrease in the cost of Vintage or Legacy staples. They will very carefully control their print runs and make anything super valuable a "Masterpiece". At the end of the day it will make very little difference for people trying to get into those formats just like Modern Masters has done gently caress all for Modern affordability. What??? Masters sets have done wonders for prices of singles. The prices tend to go back up because more people buy into the formats and increase the demand.
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Star Man posted:I have met a single person in my nine years of the game that would be angry if the reserved list was eliminated. This same person complained that Tarmogoyf is overprinted. I know of 3. One is our LGS owner who is otherwise a decent guy. The other 2 are #mtgfinance types so screw 'em. ThePeavstenator posted:What??? Masters sets have done wonders for prices of singles. The prices tend to go back up because more people buy into the formats and increase the demand. Nonono, something speculators something.
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ThePeavstenator posted:What??? Masters sets have done wonders for prices of singles. The prices tend to go back up because more people buy into the formats and increase the demand. Exactly. It's great to expand the format but the prices always rebound.
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