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Eopia posted:Now that we've seen the desert area and the desert housing area... My own personal theory is that the hub city was built after Nier, given that I don't remember that game having a city just hanging about despite being in the same general area since Facade is (or was rather) here. Weren't Tokyo's ruins just down the street from everything the whole time in the first Nier? Shadowlord's Castle was there, right?
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Nohman posted:Weren't Tokyo's ruins just down the street from everything the whole time in the first Nier? Shadowlord's Castle was there, right?
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Danaru posted:I miss Zero, she was the perfect Rick Oh god, then Mikhail would be Morty in this case. Just imagine a whiny Morty getting all pissed at those stupid job-stealing wyverns.
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HR12345 posted:Oh god, then Mikhail would be Morty in this case. Just imagine a whiny Morty getting all pissed at those stupid job-stealing wyverns. "I...I dunno, Rick, I just don't think Wyverns should be treated like people." "Morty..." "They're not people, Rick. They're lazy, shiftless job thieves, and you know what? I think if they won't leave, we should make them go!" "Geeze, Morty, we're just going to loving murder them. There's no need to be racist about it."
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Apr 21, 2017 01:38
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Apr 21, 2017 02:41
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Next update will probably be Saturday. In the meantime, a preview...  Owowowowowow. Scared. Dying. Scared. Are... are we the baddies? *kickflips off dying machine* Pfft. Nothing the machines do means anything, 2B. Now strike a pose. Imma get the Pod to upload this to YoRHatube.
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Apr 21, 2017 02:45
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I mean, to be absolutely clear, there is no way most of the ruins we see in this game are over 10,000 years old, which would make them significantly older than the pyramids. At this point I can't tell if this is because platinum didn't care enough or if this is some insane Yoko Taro foreshadowing. Could really go either way. Edit: Man, I would be shocked if Yorha didn't have some weird version of Vine or Instagram.
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Kavak posted:Is that Gigantor? Probably.
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Apr 21, 2017 02:50
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2B and 9S can't be the baddies. I mean, the machines don't have skulls to harvest and wear. So there's no problem at all there! Zero did collect skulls if I remember well, but she wasn't wearing them, just selling them, so that was also totally cool.
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Apr 21, 2017 02:58
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At this point the protagonists of a Yoko Taro game not being in some way bad guys would be the biggest plot twist.
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Apr 21, 2017 03:03
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I mean, that's basically the twist of Drakengard 3.
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Apr 21, 2017 03:12
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Caim did nothing wrong. I mean, when you get down to it, he ended up saving the world. Well, a world. He kind of hosed up another in the process, but hey, that wasn't intended. The main problem the protagonists of Drakengard and Nier tend to have is unintended consequences arising from their actions, not outright malicious intent. We'll see if this game goes in the same direction.
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oath2order posted:Edit: Man, I would be shocked if Yorha didn't have some weird version of Vine or Instagram. 
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Apr 21, 2017 03:14
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That is a massive cloak thing it has on.
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Apr 21, 2017 03:17
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I forget, did Drakengard 3 ever establish why the flower was bad other than the six giant salt women at the end
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Calaveron posted:I forget, did Drakengard 3 ever establish why the flower was bad other than the six giant salt women at the end It did a whole bunch of freaky parasite poo poo beforehand.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Caim did nothing wrong. I mean, when you get down to it, he ended up saving the world. Well, a world. He kind of hosed up another in the process, but hey, that wasn't intended. The main problem the protagonists of Drakengard and Nier tend to have is unintended consequences arising from their actions, not outright malicious intent. We'll see if this game goes in the same direction. The world was kind of hosed no matter what, given that Caim didn't want to bone his sister. Calaveron posted:I forget, did Drakengard 3 ever establish why the flower was bad other than the six giant salt women at the end The total enslavement of anyone who worshipped an Intoner wasn't enough?
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Calaveron posted:I forget, did Drakengard 3 ever establish why the flower was bad other than the six giant salt women at the end
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Calaveron posted:I forget, did Drakengard 3 ever establish why the flower was bad other than the six giant salt women at the end It let an idiot like Cent indirectly use magic which led to hilarious consequences for all involved.
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I await the tale of 2B's new axe/halberd and all the misery it will bring.
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Well, there's the fact that the Intoners were all most likely going to do the Grotesquerie Queen thing and destroy the world, the flower being made of Watchers, the-Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:It let an idiot like Cent indirectly use magic which led to hilarious consequences for all involved. Actually, this right here is the best reason. The flower is evil because it enabled the events of Two's DLC to happen. 
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This was such a good goddamn game and I haven't read the thread yet but you're gonna have A GOOD TIME dark id. (There's like 27 endings and most of them are easy to get  )Plus there's that one adorable character. P.S. Please moose drift off a cliff and harvest its delicious innards. The Big Whoop fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Caim did nothing wrong. I mean, when you get down to it, he ended up saving the world. Well, a world. He kind of hosed up another in the process, but hey, that wasn't intended. The main problem the protagonists of Drakengard and Nier tend to have is unintended consequences arising from their actions, not outright malicious intent. We'll see if this game goes in the same direction. Nier, sure. Caim had PLENTY of malicious intent, you just didn't notice as much because his tongue got cursed and one of his buddies canonically ate babies.
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But then she got eaten by babies, so that cancels out!
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:But then she got eaten by babies, so that cancels out! Does that sort of thing cancel out by number, or by total weight? Like, if you ate like 30 babies, do you have to be eaten by 30 giant babies, or is one baby okay as long as it weighs more than the 30 babies? Asking for a friend
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:Does that sort of thing cancel out by number, or by total weight? Like, if you ate like 30 babies, do you have to be eaten by 30 giant babies, or is one baby okay as long as it weighs more than the 30 babies? Asking for a friend Nah, it's via spectacle.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Nier, sure. Caim had PLENTY of malicious intent, you just didn't notice as much because his tongue got cursed and one of his buddies canonically ate babies. He did seem to genuinely care about his sister, his friend (before he went evil, anyway), and the dragon. And he never refused to do what he could to save the world. He also just so happened to love killing and hurting people too. You don't need to be a good person to save something.
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Yeah, one of the jokes of Drakengard is that it's about extremely bad people trying to save the world. The red dragon is definitely not a nice lady herself. If it had been less annoyingly-written, Drakengard 2 would have been a nice counterpoint, since it was about well-meaning people mistakenly almost destroying the world all over again.
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The flower is connected to.the Watchers, the Watchers were created by the not!Earth's not!God who wants to destroy humanity or something. I think the Drakenier wiki says that the Angels from D3 were also a form of Watchers. And white chloridation syndrome was Earth humans who were given a choice to make the pact with not!God, becoming red-eyed Not Appearing In This Videogame monsters (similar to Not Appearing In This Videogame Aliens), or rejecting it and becoming pillars of salt.
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Drakengard was, "What kind of person would be a Dynasty Warriors protagonist?" (The answer is the God of Murder in human form) Nier was "What would it take for a good person to do the worst thing possible?" Drakengard III was "What would it take for a terrible person to save the world?" We'll find out what Automata's question is eventually.
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Looking at it from a different angle, Taro's said in the past that Drakengard was saying "To kill all those people, you'd have to be psychotic", whereas Nier, coming when his viewpoint had matured a little, was saying "actually I guess you just have to think you're right".
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Unlucky7 posted:He did seem to genuinely care about his sister, his friend (before he went evil, anyway), and the dragon. And he never refused to do what he could to save the world. I can't comment on Caim's actual personality because TDI's Caim is canon to me, including his Nier cameo 
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I haven't played the game, haven't even seen much in the way of spoilers, but something just twigged for me. Why is the icon for the thread Romhack? No, don't actually answer, you idiot. Yes you, the one who wants to post spoilers. Stop.
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JcDent posted:What's a I mean, the one text log we've seen has a YoRHa get a virus, so anything that says something about hacking in relation to this game throws up red flags about what may happen to any buddies we meet.
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Skylight posted:Well, there's the fact that the Intoners were all most likely going to do the Grotesquerie Queen thing and destroy the world, the flower being made of Watchers, the- Isn't it something like: God created dragon's who were dicks, so created watchers to kill the dragons but they got sealed away. The flower was the key to unlocking the watchers. Also, human's are both awesome bros (which the dragons like) and religious tools (which the dragons don't like) which explains why one of the ending of Drakengard had the dragons kill all of humanity. At least that's how I like to interpret Drakengard. Nier is its own thing, and is somewhat more simple to explain. Honestly a lot of Drakengard and Nier mixes with Berzerk in my head. I'm not sure what series is worse right now. I'd say Berzerk mostly because the manga is stupid slow with releases.
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Berserk. It's spelled Berserk. And if I remember D3 correctly, Dragons are really the only counter to whatever the flower could pull off.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:Does that sort of thing cancel out by number, or by total weight? Like, if you ate like 30 babies, do you have to be eaten by 30 giant babies, or is one baby okay as long as it weighs more than the 30 babies? Asking for a friend There's a pretty clear answer here. it was in the game. It's yes. The answer is yes.
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Speedball posted:If it had been less annoyingly-written, Drakengard 2 would have been a nice counterpoint, since it was about well-meaning people mistakenly almost destroying the world all over again. The one good thing about Drakengard 2 was that the world looked a whole lot better than it was in the first game on the outside; Things were relatively peaceful and the seals are intact. However, look a bit deeper and you see things are DEEPLY broken; the new order is oppressing the citizens of the enemy empire of the first game and forcing them to live near the seals, which are powered by human suffering. It makes sense that decent people would stand up against this. Unfortunately, where it falls apart is that the world ending after the seals break isn't religious uncertainty, but a known fact (This is just a decade or so after the first game so they can't write it off as legend or myth), and the 'heroes 'involved seem completely oblivious to this. Maybe it could have worked if a) the protagonists were working on the assumption that they have or will discover a better solution along the way, or b) just have them go 'If THIS is as good as things will get, then gently caress it, I don't care. Burn it all down.'
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