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bewilderment posted:Whoever was the translator for the dialogue options in Confidants was a good translator. I say that quite often.
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Zore posted:These posts seem to disagree with you since they seem to think the phrase itself is a nonsense phrase no one uses.
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Apr 21, 2017 05:17
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the translation couldn't be helped
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Apr 21, 2017 05:20
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"it can't be helped" and "i won't lose!"/"don't lose to <person>!" are the most japanese phrases ever according to JRPGs i've played and lovely animes i have watched, they are the white-noise non-statements to fill out conversation and/or generic encouragement and it's both endearing and annoying
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Apr 21, 2017 05:34
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The difference between those is that I won't lose is a cool phrase that should be more common in actual English, and can't be helped is a boring nothing that shouldn't
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Apr 21, 2017 05:34
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The problem isn't the phrase, it's the mechanical translation of certain Japanese phrases into equivalent English phrases with no thought. Like, "it can't be helped" is literally what it says in a Japanese-English dictionary, so if you use that all the time it's no better than Google translate. Which is certainly a problem, but I think the backlash to it as a phrase in and of itself is a bit weird.
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Apr 21, 2017 05:34
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The dumb translation posters can't be helped.
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Apr 21, 2017 05:37
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Clarste posted:The problem isn't the phrase, it's the mechanical translation of certain Japanese phrases into equivalent English phrases with no thought. Like, "it can't be helped" is literally what it says in a Japanese-English dictionary, so if you use that all the time it's no better than Google translate. Which is certainly a problem, but I think the backlash to it as a phrase in and of itself is a bit weird. imagine being a japanese person and every western rpg that gets imported has dialogue options that say "true that" or something equally inane, and it crops up everywhere and in everything related to western media that you consume
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Apr 21, 2017 05:36
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guts and bolts posted:imagine being a japanese person and every western rpg that gets imported has dialogue options that say "true that" or something equally inane, and it crops up everywhere and in everything related to western media that you consume
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Apr 21, 2017 05:39
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Morgana is my fav character in the game just because he looks so happy while you're bombing around town. The face he makes after a movie? 
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Apr 21, 2017 05:45
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AlternateNu posted:Finally got my copy today. Two hours in, and the only disappointment so far is they changed the VA for Igor. The new VA grew on me, finish the game and come back with your thoughts!
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Apr 21, 2017 05:48
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guts and bolts posted:imagine being a japanese person and every western rpg that gets imported has dialogue options that say "true that" or something equally inane, and it crops up everywhere and in everything related to western media that you consume
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Apr 21, 2017 05:48
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I find it completely bonkers that this game never once mentions "Narcisitic Mortification" they never talk about how it's a Thing that They Are Doing, like they talk about the steps of it but they never mention the actual name of it
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Apr 21, 2017 06:01
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Endorph posted:frankly if every conversation in mass effect had an option to just say 'true that,' the game would be a lot better. Mass Effect could have used more joke responses in general
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Apr 21, 2017 06:08
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Moltrey posted:this would own true that
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Apr 21, 2017 06:07
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Zore posted:These posts seem to disagree with you since they seem to think the phrase itself is a nonsense phrase no one uses. I'm actually agreeing with Endorph, just putting it in a much less correct way and the "true that" example is that, basically. "Shikata ga nai" is a phrase that turns up in Japanese a lot but while "it can't be helped" is the literal translation, in terms of how it's used it's probably closer to "oh well" or "forget about it". If only Persona did it then it would just be a little quirk but it's more aggravating because it shows up in a lot of poorly translated anime and video games. It's also doubling aggravating because it's a very fatalistic phrase when translated literally and seems like it communicates more about the 'Japanese mindset' than it actually does. I think a similar translation in equivalent would be if the word "cool" was always translated as "that's quite chill". Technically it means the same thing but it would be weird to have that pop up everywhere said by every character. edit: Actually another super weird Japanese thing to leave in is Futaba calling Yusuke 'Inari' at times. Yeah OK Inari is the god of foxes in Shinto but in English it's a weird thing to call him and probably doesn't have the same connotation that calling him something else would. bewilderment fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Apr 21, 2017 06:08
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Akechi looks more like a Fox than Yusuke to me
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Apr 21, 2017 06:20
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Regarding Palace 7: If I go through it, is that it for being able to do social events and whatnot? I'm trying to finish up what I can before then, saving the palace for the last possible minute/when I feel I can't finish up a S Link.
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Apr 21, 2017 06:38
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Kalsco posted:Regarding Palace 7: No, the last normal day for social links etc is 12/23. You can finish palace 7 whenever you want.
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Apr 21, 2017 06:38
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High-level fusion is addicting man, seeing all those numbers go up. I just blew more than a half-million yen making a stacked Ishtar and Michael
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Apr 21, 2017 07:30
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Guess it's my turn to be insanely offended by a joke b/c (post palace 7) ryuji almost dies saving everyone in a cool rear end moment & his reward is to get knocked the gently caress out in a 4v1 curb stomp and left behind as everyone walks away to celebrate. that's a real dick move
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Apr 21, 2017 08:04
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darealkooky posted:Guess it's my turn to be insanely offended by a joke b/c (post palace 7) ryuji almost dies saving everyone in a cool rear end moment & his reward is to get knocked the gently caress out in a 4v1 curb stomp and left behind as everyone walks away to celebrate. that's a real dick move It was a beatdown out of love.
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Apr 21, 2017 08:10
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darealkooky posted:Guess it's my turn to be insanely offended by a joke b/c (post palace 7) ryuji almost dies saving everyone in a cool rear end moment & his reward is to get knocked the gently caress out in a 4v1 curb stomp and left behind as everyone walks away to celebrate. that's a real dick move why would 4 of my mc's 4 girlfriends cheat on him by giving ryuji some love such as a hug, h*nd h*ld or peck on the cheek in happiness at his survival?
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Apr 21, 2017 08:15
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darealkooky posted:Guess it's my turn to be insanely offended by a joke b/c (post palace 7) ryuji almost dies saving everyone in a cool rear end moment & his reward is to get knocked the gently caress out in a 4v1 curb stomp and left behind as everyone walks away to celebrate. that's a real dick move Is joke. Maybe be less uptight da?
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Apr 21, 2017 08:44
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So I recommend getting Haru's Baton Pass ASAP, not only because a powered-up One-Shot Kill is savage, but she also seems the happiest when you pass to her
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Apr 21, 2017 08:50
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darealkooky posted:Guess it's my turn to be insanely offended by a joke b/c (post palace 7) ryuji almost dies saving everyone in a cool rear end moment & his reward is to get knocked the gently caress out in a 4v1 curb stomp and left behind as everyone walks away to celebrate. that's a real dick move Just lol if your ladyfriends don't routinely beat you up out of love.
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Apr 21, 2017 08:57
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translation stuff would probably bother me more if I wasn't really enjoying all the voice performances which is the thing that I was really worried about like the first third of this game would have been a lot worse with a mediocre voice for Ryuji or Morgana
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Apr 21, 2017 09:19
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"It can't be helped" is a really common phrase in english. What is wrong with you people
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Apr 21, 2017 09:27
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:"It can't be helped" is a really common phrase in english. What is wrong with you people I'm not convinced I've ever heard it in real life. Regional variation is huge.
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Apr 21, 2017 09:28
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"What can you do?" "That's just the way it is" "Que sera sera" "Whatever man" "That's the way the cookie crumbles" All spiritually mean pretty close to the same thing.
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Apr 21, 2017 09:29
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cheetah7071 posted:I'm not convinced I've ever heard it in real life. Regional variation is huge. Are you claiming the english to english translation is poor!?
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Apr 21, 2017 09:34
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:"It can't be helped" is a really common phrase in english. What is wrong with you people The problem is when everyone says it. Ryuji could say: "Welp, I've got nothing." Ann could say: "Sorry, I can't think of anything." Yusuke could say: "Hm... some way to deal with this..." Makoto could say: "It seems like there's nothing we can do." Futaba could say: "Yeah, nope." Haru could say: "Uhm, well, maybe if we...! ...No." Goro could say: "Sorry, not even I can deal with this by myself." Or whatever
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Apr 21, 2017 09:34
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that's not a problem at all?
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Just finished my first playthrough and wow, it was everything I'd hoped it would be. Fantastic from start to finish, surpassing Persona 3 + Persona 4 as my favourite game of all time. First run went remarkably smoothly. Maxed all but one Confidant (drat you Sun Confidant!) pretty comfortably and got all my stats maxed so NG+ should go smooth as silk. Looking forward to finishing up the compendium, blitzing through NG+ to get whatever the true ending is, and plugging away at some of the ridiculous looking trophies I missed due to not following a guide. Now I just have to wait another nine years for Persona 6.  Oh, highlight of the entire game was fixing the laptop and hearing the shady commodities music! I just about fell off the couch.
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BGrifter posted:Just finished my first playthrough and wow, it was everything I'd hoped it would be. Fantastic from start to finish, surpassing Persona 3 + Persona 4 as my favourite game of all time. You didn't complete Sun? It's the easiest to rank up in the game (also one of the best)! Also, you probably already got the true ending. As in there kinda isn't one.
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Apr 21, 2017 09:52
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Someone was asking about Liquid Mercury for the Eternal Lockpick, and I'm here to tell you that Decarabia from Palace 5 (and the corresponding layer of Mementos) drops it as well as Anubis, so there you go. Decarabia is also less of a pain in the rear end to kill because it's weak to physicals. Thanks for listening.
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:Are you claiming the english to english translation is poor!? Nah I actually think the translation is fine, obvious typos aside. The density of can't be helped wasn't high enough for me to make a note of it.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:You didn't complete Sun? It's the easiest to rank up in the game (also one of the best)! Yeah I blew it. Got so focused on other stuff it didn't click in my head that he'd disappear during election season.  Ended with it at Rank 7.Had a ton of time I ended up wasting the last few weeks too. All stats maxed and only that one link missing/unavailable. Ah well. I already knew I wanted to do a second play through for trophies and smashing faces with Yoshitsune. Also romanced all the girls this time for the hilarious cutscene. Worth it. Next time I'll stick to one.
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It's looking like I'm going to have a few confidants stuck at 9 because of their schedules, I had days where I had nothing I could do. I shouldn't have gone fishing that one time 
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Man y'all are way better at balancing this stuff than I am. I'm in the middle of November and am trying to figure out how I'll balance raising Kindness from Rank 4 to Rank 5 on top of finishing some other Social Links on top of other activities for Trophies (Mainly the drat books and video games. I planned things poorly and now I have a few books to read that give me no real benefits. Still have fishing too but I'll probably save that nonsense for NG+). I might have to abandon Haru's Link entirely.
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