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Yeah, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are two of the Christian denominations that practically every Protestant deems to be a non-Christian cult (Catholicism is only considered a cult by the hardcore fundies). I can't imagine any Freepers being upset about Russia banning it, I figured they'd be completely united in saying it's good.
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Captain Monkey posted:That's literally the only way to be fiscally conservative, though? Like, every single piece of data points to it being horseshit. The thing about being 'fiscally conservative' is that is a meaningless term. Nobody is going to call their spending excessive. Every person who proposes a budget, if we pretend politicians aren't horrible pieces of poo poo, thinks it is spent on what is needed. So some rear end in a top hat will say they are a fiscal conservative while raising military funding several times, because he thinks/pretends it needs to be. Tiberius Thyben fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Twelve by Pies posted:Yeah, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are two of the Christian denominations that practically every Protestant deems to be a non-Christian cult (Catholicism is only considered a cult by the hardcore fundies). I can't imagine any Freepers being upset about Russia banning it, I figured they'd be completely united in saying it's good. Theologically speaking, most Christians (Protestants of all but the most fundie stripes, Catholics, and Orthodox) don't consider Mormons to be Christians because Mormonism takes some very significant theological departures from the Bible and changes things even your typical Southern Baptist and Orthodox monk would be in complete agreement on as key and fundamental parts of the Bible and of Christianity. Most Christians consider Mormonism a splinter religion, not a sect of Christianity. Jehovah's Witnesses are in more of a grey area, theologically, sitting in company with groups like Seventh Day Adventists.
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Apr 22, 2017 03:36
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Everyone who isn't a papist is a heretic and gently caress em
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Russia is banning the Jehovah's Witnesses as a "cult"; most Freepers are opposed to the religious infringement, but not all: Yeah, gently caress those guys talking about Jesus helping the poor and poo poo Pontius Pilate posted:Check out the freep dollar I received in change: lol that this gently caress has a stamp. I see stuff like this as cowardly, myself. You just stamped some poo poo opinions on some money so you could go spread it around with no consequences to yourself SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Apr 22, 2017 04:00
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SocketWrench posted:Yeah, gently caress those guys talking about Jesus helping the poor and poo poo It's the same thing as writing "get a real job" on a receipt as a "tip" for a server.
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Neo_Crimson posted:It's the same thing as writing "get a real job" on a receipt as a "tip" for a server. At least you can spend the dollar.
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SocketWrench posted:Yeah, gently caress those guys talking about Jesus helping the poor and poo poo Jehovah's Witnesses are the ones who completely forbid blood transfusions, right? Maybe not the best people to defend.
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SirSamVimes posted:Jehovah's Witnesses are the ones who completely forbid blood transfusions, right? Maybe not the best people to defend. They're entitled to their own bodily autonomy, regardless of their beliefs.
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Keeshhound posted:They're entitled to their own bodily autonomy, regardless of their beliefs. did you know that they will let their children die because of that belief it happened to my cousin
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Banning religions is dumb and counterproductive (especially Christian denominations that use perceived persecution to validate their belief systems) but JWs are also bad and an actual literal cult so 
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Crazycryodude posted:Ban all religions imo Religions are super important to keep authoritarians in line though. Some study on falling church attendance found those with right wing beliefs that stopped going to church tended to focus their energy on politics instead. Yeesh.
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SirSamVimes posted:Jehovah's Witnesses are the ones who completely forbid blood transfusions, right? Maybe not the best people to defend. No, I'm pretty sure the reason freepers hate them is because they focus on the charity and goodwill aspect of Jesus while freepers are "gently caress everyone, got mine" Not a freeper per se, but go watch Nye tour the Ark exibit with Ken "I'm a douchebag" Ham. Ham keeps asking Nye if we're all just gone when we die, why worry about anything since you won't exist in any way. That's the same way freepers think. They don't give a drat about anyone but themselves
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SocketWrench posted:Yeah, gently caress those guys talking about Jesus helping the poor and poo poo Don't they also talk about how political protest is wrong because only God can fix things?
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Don't they also talk about how political protest is wrong because only God can fix things? Also, family members who become apostates are treated as unpersons.
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One of my direct supervisors is JW and extremely great at not being a scumbag middle manager, though she once admitted in frustration that while she has to stay out of politics because of her faith she is appalled by how embarrassing DJT is, and this was after he'd only been president a couple weeks I always saw JW as a less-isolated version of Amish but with similar strict rules and non-interventionism I mean there's no way they can be worse than those baptist megachurches that pray for DJT to kill all the illegals or whatever (see: the thread we're posting in, right now)
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Kirk posted:did you know that they will let their children die because of that belief SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Don't they also talk about how political protest is wrong because only God can fix things? stan worship posted:Also, family members who become apostates are treated as unpersons. I realize that this might be a tricky position for some people to engage with, but people are perfectly capable of being negligent parents, Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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No I didn't intend to assert any of that by saying a thing a people believe that I think is dumb.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:No I didn't intend to assert any of that by saying a thing a people believe that I think is dumb. Sorry for misinterpreting you then.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Don't they also talk about how political protest is wrong because only God can fix things? They usually refuse to participate in politics and the military in general, if that's what you mean. Because then you would be putting man above god or whatever. Those refusals are part of why the Nazis dumped them into camps along with the Jews, the Roma, etc.
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Wolfsheim posted:she has to stay out of politics because of her faith And this is why the Jehova's Witness are my favorite group of fundies, regardless of how cultish they can get. Jehova's Witness don't vote. It's not a hard rule, but they tend to stick to it, so no matter how weird they get, they don't try to force it on everyone else. Which is good because they would largely vote lockstep (R) because of gays and abortion. They can knock on my door every drat week if they want, so long as they stay home on voting day.
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Cythereal posted:Theologically speaking, most Christians (Protestants of all but the most fundie stripes, Catholics, and Orthodox) don't consider Mormons to be Christians because Mormonism takes some very significant theological departures from the Bible and changes things even your typical Southern Baptist and Orthodox monk would be in complete agreement on as key and fundamental parts of the Bible and of Christianity. Most Christians consider Mormonism a splinter religion, not a sect of Christianity. Jehovah's Witnesses are in more of a grey area, theologically, sitting in company with groups like Seventh Day Adventists. That's only because those same Protestants don't actually know JW's theology, when they do most throw them out with the Mormons. Mormons are just a bit more recognized by their differences, where Witnesses try and hold it back until they thing they got the conversion. Specifically, the teaching that Jesus is not God but that he is the archangel Michael sent from God. I realize to non-believers that might be just a silly side note but in the theological battles, that poo poo's a whole huge thing.
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Anubis posted:That's only because those same Protestants don't actually know JW's theology, when they do most throw them out with the Mormons. Mormons are just a bit more recognized by their differences, where Witnesses try and hold it back until they thing they got the conversion. Specifically, the teaching that Jesus is not God but that he is the archangel Michael sent from God. I realize to non-believers that might be just a silly side note but in the theological battles, that poo poo's a whole huge thing. Wait, which archangel was it that taught/walked with Mohammad again? Was it Gabriel or Micheal because I always get them confused.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Wait, which archangel was it that taught/walked with Mohammad again? Was it Gabriel or Micheal because I always get them confused. I'm pretty sure said archangel's Gabriel.
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Anubis posted:That's only because those same Protestants don't actually know JW's theology, when they do most throw them out with the Mormons. Mormons are just a bit more recognized by their differences, where Witnesses try and hold it back until they thing they got the conversion. Specifically, the teaching that Jesus is not God but that he is the archangel Michael sent from God. I realize to non-believers that might be just a silly side note but in the theological battles, that poo poo's a whole huge thing. Huh, I genuinely didn't know that. Yeah, that puts JWs emphatically in the "Don't put them in the same basket as Protestants/Catholics/Orthodox" bin.
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JWs also believe Jesus was impaled on a post rather than hung on a cross, which is kind of an odd difference and ultimately wouldn't change anything theologically, but yeah.
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Twelve by Pies posted:JWs also believe Jesus was impaled on a post rather than hung on a cross, which is kind of an odd difference and ultimately wouldn't change anything theologically, but yeah. If it was longitudinal impalement, I imagine there's less depiction of it. A spike through the rear end and out the mouth is not a good look, son of God or not.
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JWs were just really bad at translation when they first made their own bible. The texts people translate from were written in greek, and greek at the time didn't have a word that specifically meant crucifix, just a word for pole, which they used for both. The JWs decided to go with the strictly literal translation, and then act like they discovered a forgotten truth about the bible. This is a recurring trend with the jehova's witness.
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Pavlov posted:JWs were just really bad at translation when they first made their own bible. The texts people translate from were written in greek, and greek at the time didn't have a word that specifically meant crucifix, just a word for pole, which they used for both. The JWs decided to go with the strictly literal translation, and then act like they discovered a forgotten truth about the bible. This is a recurring trend with the jehova's witness. That's a recurring trend among Christianity in general. It's like seven languages removed from its original version. It has a bajillion different versions so people just pick the one they like then mangle it into whatever they need it to be.
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Witnesses are extra bad though. Like even their name "Jehova" was the result of bad translation. They didn't realize that the jews forgot how to pronounce their god's name, and they found a torah with modern vowel diacritics in it, including the word for god's name, which had its markers just chosen randomly. They then decided that they had rediscovered the true name of god, and like to brag about putting god's name back in the bible. I know too much about the jehova's witness.
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Twelve by Pies posted:JWs also believe Jesus was impaled on a post rather than hung on a cross, which is kind of an odd difference and ultimately wouldn't change anything theologically, but yeah. There's a few bits of scripture that say that Jesus was "nailed to a tree" and even though this is probably just an approximation due to translation (i.e. tree=something made of wood) it still feels like a leakage from an alternate timeline or something. Maybe from Mary Gentle's Ash: A Secret History where Jesus died hung from a tree somewhere in Germania.
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