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spit on my clit posted:ah gently caress im gonna be doing palace 5 on hard in one go. It's not that rough to do in one go. 7's the worst at that. It just has the least fun gimmicks.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:How do so many people not notice really obvious menu tabs? I got too focused on making lockpicks.
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Electric Phantasm posted:I got too focused on making lockpicks. Yeah, the first time I noticed the tabs was when I needed to get more proficiency and I had like 10 lockpicks already
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darealkooky posted:palace 7 felt really simple to do in one go because by that point there's no real excuse to not have tons and tons of ways to regen SP It drags on for goddamn ever though. And the mouse puzzles were really, really annoying. It wasn't so much the SP fatigue as it was my mental fatigue at having to deal with this poo poo.
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darealkooky posted:palace 7 felt really simple to do in one go because by that point there's no real excuse to not have tons and tons of ways to regen SP It's your stamina as player that's more of a problem the gimmick goes for so long and you have to deal with it four times, although I just save and come back later when I get exhausted by it.
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The airlock section of palace 5 was honestly a relief (and not really that hard), since the enemies were also much fewer and other than Scathach (who can be mostly handled with Hell Biker), not really that hard. Just bring Haru and Makoto.ChaosArgate posted:The recasts weren't random; Chie's old VA stopped voice acting entirely after P4 and Teddie's old VA got too expensive for Atlus, just like how Troy Baker's too expensive to be Kanji these days. Honestly Mercer's done a lot better than Baker since he came in to replace Kanji. He's been characters like McCree and Chrom, while the only thing Baker's done off the top of my head since P4 is... Snow?
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ApplesandOranges posted:Honestly Mercer's done a lot better than Baker since he came in to replace Kanji. He's been characters like McCree and Chrom, while the only thing Baker's done off the top of my head since P4 is... Snow?
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ApplesandOranges posted:The airlock section of palace 5 was honestly a relief (and not really that hard), since the enemies were also much fewer and other than Scathach (who can be mostly handled with Hell Biker), not really that hard. Just bring Haru and Makoto. If this isn't a joke, I'm going to say that Persona is great but Metal Gear Solid, BioShock Infinite, Far Cry 4, and The Last of Us were all played by exponentially more people
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He was Joel in The Last of Us, I think he was The Joker in one of the Arkham games and he was also Revolver Ocelot in MGSV.
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also the main character of shadow of mordor
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See as someone who's mostly stuck to the JRPG genre I haven't really touched most of those.  But good to know.
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So I'm just at exams in between palace 3 and 4 and my only assumption right now is that Goro is going to join and then betray us as his social link doesn't seem the same as everyone else, though he has baton pass. Also he's not in any of the official art as a party member. 
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Baker has had over 100 roles in video games since the first time he played Snow
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Mordiceius posted:So I'm just at exams in between palace 3 and 4 and my only assumption right now is that Goro is going to join and then betray us as his social link doesn't seem the same as everyone else, though he has baton pass. Also he's not in any of the official art as a party member. aside from like, the cover of the game you mean?
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A lot of the complaints about some of the writing makes sense, but I saw one that just boggles my mind, and it's about when the group tries to "cure" Futaba, as if she doesn't need help with not being a shut-in, or never asked for their help in the first place, or as if the group wants her to stop acting weird in general, which they don't. They just want to help her be able to not have a panic attack when she's outside and around people, and the sequence with that was really well done to me. Everyone was really nice and understanding and tried to meet her at her level and let her have agency about the whole thing, but still pushed her just enough outside her comfort zone a little at a time so she could get her feet wet. Her entire link is about her taking initiative about it with her promise list. Even the bit with Ryuji and Ann, two of the most extroverted characters on the team, coming over to visit was nice and a pleasant surprise from how that kind of dynamic would usually go. I don't understand why you could look at her character arc, look at how much happier she is towards the end, look at how Japan has a large enough problem with young shut-ins that they come up with a special term for it, look at the themes of the story and how Futaba identified with the people in the Prison of Regression but realizes that's no real way to live, hint hint it's almost as if that's one of the major themes of the game or something and say "Oh how awful that they force her to recover uwu poor baby" like, just how much did you miss the point of all that, exactly?
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Just beat the game, fat end of game spoilers Even after fighting Yaldabaoth with all of its weapons and poo poo, I was anticipating another form or something. Fight felt pretty chill compared to Shido, which had me seriously sweating my SP by the end. Then again, I didn't switch dudes out mid-fight against Shido, and I did against Yalda. Sorry, Makoto, but you're empty--time to go. The lack of Akechi in the whooole ending was almost weird. I expected, like, his ghost or something to show up during any of the WE BELIEVE IN YOU magic moments, or for him to be like, on a motorcycle behind us after the credits. Never found his body, you cannot convince me he's dead. Maybe he'll show up in the go-kart spin off or something. Game was good, I'm now wondering how many future assistants Igor is raising behind the scenes. Old man just comes home to a pile of yellow-eyed babies, his silver haired wife being like "Daddy's home!" and he hugs all his kids in the velvet nursery. Also, I picked Kawakami and did not regret the decision. The doctor and Makoto were close seconds, though, and Haru of all people kind of snuck onto my radar. She's sweet. And a beast. Her and Makoto pretty much carried my team through a lot of poo poo. Got Haru way too late in the game, though. When am I getting Catherine 2? One of your friends mentions going fishing for mermaids at the end of the game, you can't just dangle a plot hook like that in front of me and never do anything with it.
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BaDandy posted:A lot of the complaints about some of the writing makes sense, but I saw one that just boggles my mind, and it's about when the group tries to "cure" Futaba, as if she doesn't need help with not being a shut-in, or never asked for their help in the first place, or as if the group wants her to stop acting weird in general, which they don't. They just want to help her be able to not have a panic attack when she's outside and around people, and the sequence with that was really well done to me. Everyone was really nice and understanding and tried to meet her at her level and let her have agency about the whole thing, but still pushed her just enough outside her comfort zone a little at a time so she could get her feet wet. Her entire link is about her taking initiative about it with her promise list. Even the bit with Ryuji and Ann, two of the most extroverted characters on the team, coming over to visit was nice and a pleasant surprise from how that kind of dynamic would usually go.
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BaDandy posted:A lot of the complaints about some of the writing makes sense, but I saw one that just boggles my mind, and it's about when the group tries to "cure" Futaba, as if she doesn't need help with not being a shut-in, or never asked for their help in the first place, or as if the group wants her to stop acting weird in general, which they don't. They just want to help her be able to not have a panic attack when she's outside and around people, and the sequence with that was really well done to me. Everyone was really nice and understanding and tried to meet her at her level and let her have agency about the whole thing, but still pushed her just enough outside her comfort zone a little at a time so she could get her feet wet. Her entire link is about her taking initiative about it with her promise list. Even the bit with Ryuji and Ann, two of the most extroverted characters on the team, coming over to visit was nice and a pleasant surprise from how that kind of dynamic would usually go. Has there really been that many complaining about that? Like i'm not surprised that they exist but i honestly haven't seen any complaints about this at least.
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Lunatic Sledge posted:Just beat the game, fat end of game spoilers I've always assumed that, like the Velvet Room, the Attendant is created based on the Wild Card's perception of the place.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I've always assumed that, like the Velvet Room, the Attendant is created based on the Wild Card's perception of the place. The attendants aren't created by the guest.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Has there really been that many complaining about that? Like i'm not surprised that they exist but i honestly haven't seen any complaints about this at least. Not a lot, but I saw someone on Tumblr mention it and it just stuck in my mind because 1) My brother-in-law was going through kind of the same thing a few years back (still sort of is) and I think that's why it's riling me up because it just strikes me as really ignorant by implying it's "not that bad" when it absolutely is. 2) There's a subsection of Tumblr that has this weird "anti-recovery" stance because if you're pro-recovery, you're anti-mentally ill people because??? I can understand if they don't like the group wanting Futaba to not act autistic (I'm not being flippant, I think her and Wakaba were written with that in mind) but that's not what the group does, at all. Makoto even makes a comment that Futaba's fine with conversations as long as they're things that interest her and not just generic small talk and she's like "Okay, fair enough," These types of storylines fall into "changing who a person is" a lot of the time but again, that's not what the group does.
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I was worried about that too, at first - I was salty as hell about how long it takes for a woman who isn't a sexy Catwoman knockoff to join the party, and I thought "gently caress me, are they going to magically cure Futaba's Asperger's by stealing her Treasure? Maybe Makoto was a fluke and this game is actually bad." but it doesn't play out like that even a little bit, so I don't know what those people are on about.
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FractalSandwich posted:I was salty as hell about how long it takes for a woman who isn't a sexy Catwoman knockoff to join the party, and I thought "gently caress me, are they going to magically cure Futaba's Asperger's by stealing her Treasure? Maybe Makoto was a fluke and this game is actually bad." uh, lol
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BaDandy posted:Not a lot, but I saw someone on Tumblr mention it and it just stuck in my mind because Guess I shouldn't be too surprised since i've seen complaints for similar things before, but that's a pretty dumb complaint. FractalSandwich posted:I was worried about that too, at first - I was salty as hell about how long it takes for a woman who isn't a sexy Catwoman knockoff to join the party, and I thought "gently caress me, are they going to magically cure Futaba's Asperger's by stealing her Treasure? Maybe Makoto was a fluke and this game is actually bad." but it doesn't play out like that even a little bit, so I don't know what those people are on about. All the ladies in this game are good and cool.
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Endorph posted:a teenager on tumblr made a dumb hot take... They're 25.... That probably makes it worse, come to think of it. e: Anyways yeah, Futaba's arc was really well done and I liked it, so idk what they're on about.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I've always assumed that, like the Velvet Room, the Attendant is created based on the Wild Card's perception of the place. Igor makes the attendants, Yaldabaoth doesn't have that ability, so he split the most recent one in half and sealed their memories away.
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Futaba's entire arc is probably one of my favorite parts of the game because not once does anyone treat her or her problems like annoyances or inconveniences. They push her a bit to help her a long but otherwise they go at her pace and nobody belittles her through the whole process. The whole thing was refreshingly respectful on the topic and it could easily have been written into "oh my god you're making stupid poo poo a big deal just get over it geeze" territory which would've been terrible.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Futaba's entire arc is probably one of my favorite parts of the game because not once does anyone treat her or her problems like annoyances or inconveniences. They push her a bit to help her a long but otherwise they go at her pace and nobody belittles her through the whole process. The whole thing was refreshingly respectful on the topic and it could easily have been written into "oh my god you're making stupid poo poo a big deal just get over it geeze" territory which would've been terrible. They did that with Yusuke and not Futaba. Mainly that he's a big weirdo and Ryuji will call him out on it all the time.
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Another thing is that they outright say that having a Persona means that you're emotionally aware now and are capable of breaking out of your mental "prison", so gee, why wouldn't Futaba want to keep working at not being a shut-in anymore in this, the magic Carl Jung psychology game?
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the worst futaba reaction I've seen is people saying that futaba would be pro gamergate and would stop the phantom thieves from bringing down gamergate if persona 5 was real
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Moltrey posted:the worst futaba reaction I've seen is people saying that futaba would be pro gamergate and would stop the phantom thieves from bringing down gamergate if persona 5 was real
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Moltrey posted:the worst futaba reaction I've seen is people saying that futaba would be pro gamergate and would stop the phantom thieves from bringing down gamergate if persona 5 was real 
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Endorph posted:uh, lol
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Count Bleck posted:They did that with Yusuke and not Futaba. To be fair Yusuke is weird and really annoying. By far my least member of the cast.
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do not actually click this guy's twitter account it is a nightmare but also i am dying https://twitter.com/kukuruyo/status/855368484959768577 https://twitter.com/kukuruyo/status/855369185182048256 gamers are desperate for any character that uses the internet and is also as misogynistic and racist as they are
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Futaba's entire arc is probably one of my favorite parts of the game because not once does anyone treat her or her problems like annoyances or inconveniences. They push her a bit to help her a long but otherwise they go at her pace and nobody belittles her through the whole process. The whole thing was refreshingly respectful on the topic and it could easily have been written into "oh my god you're making stupid poo poo a big deal just get over it geeze" territory which would've been terrible. Yusuke messing with her action figures and Ann and Ryuji getting along with her by buying a bunch of snacks and talking smack to each other were very strong ways of showing everyone to be good and cool pals.
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Moltrey posted:do not actually click this guy's twitter account it is a nightmare but also i am dying Someone buy that man a forums account, Posthaste!
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