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lol I was wondering if anyone was willing to step up to the plate and defend selling books you're going to immediately obsolete e: hitting someone for being unemployed seems not cool though?
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That's basically exactly what happened with End Times and AOS, right?
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Its point for point what happened. I was there man there were like explosions an stuff. Kidding aside big model releases, splat books reased, and then welcome to AoS. Everything you bought not worth a drat. Because ppl outside of small groups really do not hold to old game editions like D&D grogs clinging to 3.5 etc. If its what you like go you but I don't see pick up games if old anything.
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Ashcans posted:That's basically exactly what happened with End Times and AOS, right? Exactly. It is amazing.
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i mean i guess it's nasty if you are completely unplugged from absolutely anything to do with warhammer except buying poo poo? I feel bad for any actual kids who bought gathering storm but everyone else knew exactly what they were getting. e: if they're like the ET books they're mainly fluff and art books anyway, the rules were a pamphlet compared to the fluff and instantly on ebay for tenbux.
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Apr 23, 2017 01:17
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There were new people in the 40k thread in the last couple of months told that now was a grea time to buy in. Anyone who said wait and see was given a lot of eye rolling.
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A guy just PM'd me about this GW poo poo I'm getting rid of saying he was just about to get into 40k. I explained 8th was about to drop and he should just get that, but I didn't have the heart to scream "play anything else" at him. Imagine how goddamn angry you'd be if you got this and six months later it was all useless.
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if there actually are 40kers crying about this on the internet then gimme some quotes because that does sound hilarious
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Apr 23, 2017 01:27
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Saint Drogo posted:if there actually are 40kers crying about this on the internet then gimme some quotes because that does sound hilarious The 40k thread has gone fairly quiet. I hope Monday morning is good.
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Apr 23, 2017 01:28
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Ashcans posted:That's basically exactly what happened with End Times and AOS, right? I would be surprised if anything was meaningfully different from AoS aside from the fluff being somewhat less-apocalyptic. They might be smart enough to avoid writing joke rules to demean the players of the "legacy" armies but I'm not betting the farm on that.
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Apr 23, 2017 01:34
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Saint Drogo posted:if there actually are 40kers crying about this on the internet then gimme some quotes because that does sound hilarious The only people who seem to think this is a bad thing are Death thread guys crowing about how this is just like Age of Sigmar
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Guy Goodbody posted:The only people who seem to think this is a bad thing are Death thread guys crowing about how this is just like Age of Sigmar I understand wanting to do the sigmar thing again because it was a hilarious shitshow but so far there's no crying and a whole lotta 
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:e: hitting someone for being unemployed seems not cool though? i wouldnt bring it up if the poster in question wasnt a total cockbag also interested to see what they do with these new super marines. are they gonna phase out the old kits or have em both for sale? the mind boggles at the possibilities to get all the marine players to double dip
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Apr 23, 2017 01:43
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It never ceases to weird me out how people talk about GW getting "better" due to the various meaningless things they've been doing without ever addressing that they make bad rules that are as random and lovely and non-tactical as possible. Like I'm taking crazy pills or something. I'd legit put up with their stupid bullshit and buy GW products if they had actual game designers that could make something on par with the good board game designers or something like Warmahordes or X-Wing or almost literally anything else. They do terrible business and community stuff, but above all else they make bad games.
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Apr 23, 2017 01:46
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:i wouldnt bring it up if the poster in question wasnt a total cockbag You're getting weirdly personal about warhammer. Have you considered loving not.
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Apr 23, 2017 01:48
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:i wouldnt bring it up if the poster in question wasnt a total cockbag Oh, you're one of those goons. oval office.
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Apr 23, 2017 01:51
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40k getting a massive rules rework is a good thing imo. Too bad it's GW doing the reworking.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:40k getting a massive rules rework is a good thing imo. agreed. im mildly interested to see what exactly they do. if it isnt total dogshit, i might buy some of their overpriced poo poo ps lmbo @ this TTerrible posted:You're getting weirdly personal about warhammer. Have you considered loving not. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Oh, you're one of those goons. oval office. 
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Apr 23, 2017 02:08
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:agreed. im mildly interested to see what exactly they do. if it isnt total dogshit, i might buy some of their overpriced poo poo Cool, I guess. We're all here to laugh about little plastic dolls. Is there any need to be that spiteful?
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Apr 23, 2017 02:09
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Saint Drogo posted:i mean it is, if age of sigmar was widely expected and wanted. Age of Sigmar:
completely destroyed the universe killed almost all the existing characters radically changed the gameplay, from rank and file to 40k style had all the existing factions take a back seat to terrible new factions, the Sigmarines and the bloodbound so far, 8th edition
And they haven't blown up the universe, haven't killed any characters, and the logo for 8th is Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines, so no new terrible factions front and center. If you guys think this is Age of Sigmar, then I'm not sure what wouldn't qualify as Age of Sigmar for you.
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TTerrible posted:Cool, I guess. We're all here to laugh about little plastic dolls. Is there any need to be that spiteful? youre getting weirdly defensive about me lambasting your tryhard troll buddy. weird how yall like to use economics to disparage your chosen games critics, but when the shoes on the other foot its crossing a line or something?
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:youre getting weirdly defensive about me lambasting your tryhard troll buddy. weird how yall like to use economics to disparage your chosen games critics, but when the shoes on the other foot its crossing a line or something? Ok 
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Apr 23, 2017 02:18
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:hmm, looks like all that poo poo people here were predicting gw would do, gw decided to do I enjoyed the fact that this had 40k views when watched it.
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Gumdrop Larry posted:It never ceases to weird me out how people talk about GW getting "better" due to the various meaningless things they've been doing without ever addressing that they make bad rules that are as random and lovely and non-tactical as possible. Like I'm taking crazy pills or something. I'd legit put up with their stupid bullshit and buy GW products if they had actual game designers that could make something on par with the good board game designers or something like Warmahordes or X-Wing or almost literally anything else. They do terrible business and community stuff, but above all else they make bad games. PP raped my Skorne for like 8 months, they have some odd design ideas too when they switch editions. Not defending GW here for their sometimes retarded ideas, but lots of other game companies do poo poo things too. GW needs to learn to actually keep their mouths shut until they have something to show off so people don't lose their minds
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Fsmhunk posted:This thread is still terrible, but I find it inpossible to insult when the Star Citizen thread exists. How did this thread present Blood Bowl coming back as bad, by the way? Only three teams at launch and only one released since and there were some divided opinions on the models. Some people were annoyed at the new scale (why finally make the board bigger to let the pieces fit if you're just going to make the pieces bigger too?), some didn't like the poses (dwarfs leaping over beards), and some didn't like the balls being part of the sculpts (how do you distinguish who has the ball?). The rules in the box were only half the game and you had to buy a supplement to get the campaign rules or lists for teams other than orcs of humans, and even then it was only eight more teams. GW did release a PDF of the other team rules for free, but it meant that what had previously been a single book was now three separate documents, two of which you had to pay for separately. It wasn't the worst, but it was needlessly expensive and annoyingly cut into pieces.
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Apr 23, 2017 02:22
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Nash posted:I enjoyed the fact that this had 40k views when watched it. i like to think im responsible for a small chunk of those views
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Black_Nexus posted:PP raped my Skorne for like 8 months, they have some odd design ideas too when they switch editions. For sure PP's not perfect, nor are other game makers. But like in that particular example, even if they're struggling a little to balance all the plates with the edition change, it doesn't invalidate the underpinning well-made game rules. GW seems to just take a fundamentally different approach than most other companies and place almost 100% of the focus on "the hobby" instead of the actual gameplay, and while I personally enjoy both elements of modeling/paining alongside actually playing games, if you twisted my arm there's zero question that the latter is profoundly more important. No improvements they make really mean anything until they address that they're a bunch of jamokes that don't know how to design a game well and with modern sensibilities.
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Gumdrop Larry posted:For sure PP's not perfect, nor are other game makers. But like in that particular example, even if they're struggling a little to balance all the plates with the edition change, it doesn't invalidate the underpinning well-made game rules. GW seems to just take a fundamentally different approach than most other companies and place almost 100% of the focus on "the hobby" instead of the actual gameplay, and while I personally enjoy both elements of modeling/paining alongside actually playing games, if you twisted my arm there's zero question that the latter is profoundly more important. No improvements they make really mean anything until they address that they're a bunch of jamokes that don't know how to design a game well and with modern sensibilities. They've spent the last six months hearing how brilliant the AoS rules are because they released the GH and added points into the system and so they're going to import a bunch of those rules into 40k without acknowledging how utterly garbage the AoS mechanics actually are, points or no points. And their fans will nod along and say, "I was skeptical of AoS at first, but the General's Handbook really changed all that," when all the GH did was let AoS cross the minimum threshold necessary to even be considered a game. But because stats are presented as target numbers rather than as comparative values, they'll act like that's modern design. The guys at my FLGS are already saying they're happy they won't have to lug around 20 books any more, but I've seen them play AoS and it's still 20 books. You're going to have the core rule PDF and then half a dozen other PDFs with your faction and alliance rules. Since every model in the game is going to have bespoke rules, you won't even be able to print a shorthand list that references the Universal Special Rules like you can for Mantic games. If you print a custom list for just your army, it's still going to be a six or seven page document in addition to the core rules and scenario rules and whatever else you need.
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Its a pattern. Patterns are not always identical but learning from them is what people do. Or don't in GW cases. An yeah those are some mental gymnastics people are doing. I think this is the denial stage. Bad edit: fat finger posting.
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Safety Factor posted:This is not EXACTLY Age of Sigmar so therefore no comparisons may be made? Hahahaha, gently caress off with that. I think fluff-wise, we're going to see more continuity than there was between Warhammer and AoS, and I honestly think that's all that GW fans care about. If they wanted rules that weren't a dumpster fire, they would have left a long time ago. So for them this really is the best thing possible.
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Guy Goodbody posted:And they haven't blown up the universe, haven't killed any characters, and the logo for 8th is Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines, so no new terrible factions front and center. remains to be seen how the uber marine poo poo will play out if in a years time jimmy wants to buy a new tac squad for his preexisting army, will he be able to order a box of guys from gw that are small enough???
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Safety Factor posted:This is not EXACTLY Age of Sigmar so therefore no comparisons may be made? Hahahaha, gently caress off with that. It's a lot more comparable to that time GW put out a new edition of 40k, than it is to Age of Sigmar. Or like when the U.S. Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation. Let's go with that. loving lol at GW, demanding their models be paid for in money instead of whiskey Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:remains to be seen how the uber marine poo poo will play out it seems pretty clear to me that they are replacing the old tac marines with new tac marines that are taller, mainly because they're standing more upright. I do not consider that to be a change to 40k equivalent to Age of Sigmar replacing Fantasy
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Guy Goodbody posted:It's a lot more comparable to that time GW put out a new edition of 40k, than it is to Age of Sigmar. Or like when the U.S. Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation. Let's go with that. loving lol at GW, demanding their models be paid for in money instead of whiskey Except the change is going to be bringing 40k in line with how AoS plays, so even if the universe isn't blow up, the rules are still going to be loving terrible.
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Guy Goodbody posted:it seems pretty clear to me that they are replacing the old tac marines with new tac marines that are taller, mainly because they're standing more upright. so i guess the bolters arent powersquatting anymore too huh?
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:so i guess the bolters arent powersquatting anymore too huh? Yeah, they've got new bolters too. But they're the new tac marines. They got arrows on their shoulders 
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Guy Goodbody posted:Yeah, they've got new bolters too. But they're the new tac marines. They got arrows on their shoulders yes. perhaps you misunderstand my point. jimmy in my example already has a nice imperial fists army, 2000 points worth. but next year he decides he wants another tac squad. the question is, will he be able to order a box of tac marines from gw that are the same size as his preexisting models, or will all they have on offer be the huge fuckers in that photo?
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:yes. perhaps you misunderstand my point. jimmy in my example already has a nice imperial fists army, 2000 points worth. but next year he decides he wants another tac squad. the question is, will he be able to order a box of tac marines from gw that are the same size as his preexisting models, or will all they have on offer be the huge fuckers in that photo? I get your point, but it's not like they haven't changed tactical marines before. The question is less about the models being mismatched than the new models having different stats. If it's the former, whatever, armies have always had a mix of pieces from different eras. If it's the latter, that's going to be a fun shitshow.
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:yes. perhaps you misunderstand my point. jimmy in my example already has a nice imperial fists army, 2000 points worth. but next year he decides he wants another tac squad. the question is, will he be able to order a box of tac marines from gw that are the same size as his preexisting models, or will all they have on offer be the huge fuckers in that photo? Good question. On the one hand, they might be obsoleted by the new models, and even if not, they'll definitely look worse. On the other hand, GW just redid the kit fairly recently (within the last 2-3 years iirc), so they may just keep selling it regardless. It's interesting to see the new models mixed with old Devastators in the new images. I suspect the new marines will be a separate unit and not just the new Tac squad, so as to make them as attractive a purchase for marine players as possible. If they were just replacement tac marines, it'd be easy to just be like "no thanks, I'm full up on generic tactical marines"
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