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Toast Museum posted:Then again, you could mount the guns on the shoulders or something and free up the arms even more, so yeah, I guess putting them on the forearms doesn't make a ton of sense. The Predator has both. 
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Longbaugh01 posted:The Predator has both. Danny Glover still won.
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Smiling Jack posted:Forearm mounted weapons are bad and dumb, people have wrists and hands for a reason. Yes, to mount and fire your spetsdōd.
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CeeJee posted:Yes, to mount and fire your spetsdōd. "The first cut is the deepest!"
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Smiling Jack posted:Forearm mounted weapons are bad and dumb, people have wrists and hands for a reason. https://youtu.be/2FNn6IlhQtc
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Azhais posted:I wish people would stop bringing up the drat slugs in that book. They were involved for a chapter and a half in a sort of "meanwhile, back at band camp" sort of manner.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Chapter and a half? Some hazy memory. It's both several chapters and not as pervasive as others remember.
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I like this show but the guy who plays Holden is a loving AWFUL actor.
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JacksLibido posted:I like this show but the guy who plays Holden is a loving AWFUL actor. I really don't get what this threads problem with him is, seeing him gradually morph into Christian Bale as the season progressed has been hilarious.
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He's the weakest one, but he's not bad. The character isn't great nor is his writing. Naomi and Amos are amazing, Alex has an amusing gimmick, Holden is just fine.
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Yeah Holden is really just a bland and vaguely charismatic white dude for the interesting characters to orbit around. Nothing wrong with that, either, it's just what he is.
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Holden being played by Jake Gyllenhaal (or someone else to can emote the weight of decisions with their eyeballs) would be a MUCH BETTER bland and vaguely charismatic white guy for us to latch on to though. Glad to see more people giving Naomi props. Took them 21 episodes to start giving her material but she was great. Alex is the goddamn heart of the show. Gotta love the only optimist on the Roci.
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Apr 23, 2017 17:14
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Holden is the Leonardo, the Cyclops of the group. Naomi is the Donatello, the Beast. Amos is the Raphael, the Wolverine Alex is the Michelangelo, the Nightcrawler
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VagueRant posted:Holden being played by Jake Gyllenhaal (or someone else to can emote the weight of decisions with their eyeballs) would be a MUCH BETTER bland and vaguely charismatic white guy for us to latch on to though. Sorry but Jake Gyllenhaal is busy being in way worse sci-fi entertainment. (Don't watch Life)
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See this is just a quick motion though. With a machine gun your actor has to just stand there and do zombie arms while pretending to shoot people and it looks boring and bad. If you want to continue the Iron Man comparison, look at the drone fight in Iron Man 2. War Machine just stands there and waves his arms around. Big Mean Jerk fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Apr 23, 2017 18:10
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She has those iron man rockets strapped to her back anyway. THAT would have been an impressive entrance to that room.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:See this is just a quick motion though. With a machine gun your actor has to just stand there and do zombie arms while pretending to shoot people and it looks boring and bad. Machine gun hands looked pretty good on the new BSG (all CGI) centurions, but otherwise, yeah, I don't think it would work very well as a practical costume on a real person. Plus... gun nerd wise... you're confined to a pretty short barrel and low caliber, and the ammunition feeding mechanism is dubious at best... not sure if it is really that good a weapon system. Rifles, SMG's, and other small arms in combination with power armor are way cooler. With the possible exception if Bobbie had an Aliens style steady-cam smart-gun mounted to her power armor. I thought the scene where she just walked into the room and started throwing people around with the Naomi voice-over was pretty great myself.
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Apr 23, 2017 18:20
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The visor turning red was a nice touch.
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Apr 23, 2017 18:38
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Big Mean Jerk posted:See this is just a quick motion though. With a machine gun your actor has to just stand there and do zombie arms while pretending to shoot people and it looks boring and bad. Holding your arms out to shoot would not be functionally different than shooting a pistol with one hand, I think.
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Re: Holden, do you guys think a different actor would've made his scenes land better? I don't know anything else that Strait has done, but I feel like a big weakness of the character has just been the way he's written. He's kind of one-dimensional by design, and though they've taken measures to punch up his character development for the show (yes, he's even more bland in the books), I don't know how much you can alter his trajectory while still following the major story beats.
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404notfound posted:Re: Holden, do you guys think a different actor would've made his scenes land better? I don't know anything else that Strait has done, but I feel like a big weakness of the character has just been the way he's written. He's kind of one-dimensional by design, and though they've taken measures to punch up his character development for the show (yes, he's even more bland in the books), I don't know how much you can alter his trajectory while still following the major story beats. No, I think really it is script. You could debate maybe a 'better' actor would do a better job, but the script has been kinda wishy washy with his character, often using him to create a forced conflict.
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Im surprised no one has suggested yet that holden is some kind of deconstruction of the archetypal lead good guy by actually being played as an insufferable self righteous unlikeable prick
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gfarrell80 posted:No, I think really it is script. You could debate maybe a 'better' actor would do a better job, but the script has been kinda wishy washy with his character, often using him to create a forced conflict. Yeah, the season didn't do a great job of gradating his character arc in the back half of the season. It was suddenly episode 12 and BOOM full blown obsession from nowhere.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:21
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fridge corn posted:Im surprised no one has suggested yet that holden is some kind of deconstruction of the archetypal lead good guy by actually being played as an insufferable self righteous unlikeable prick Thing is; Holden is pretty likeable - I wouldn't call him a prick. When the script machinations turn him prick-ish I feel like it as artificial, I don't really read it as his character. Example: when he went Captain Ahab when chasing the proto-monster in the wrecked dome, yelling at Alex to Stay On Target. Holden's prick-like obsession didn't feel particularly authentic or character driven (why does he care so much about killing this thing he only learned about a few minutes ago that he would risk losing his ship and friends?). There's at least two or three other situations where Holden was used to create some character conflict that felt pretty weak. Most of other characters haven't suffered from being used like that to create dramatic conflict.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Yeah, the season didn't do a great job of gradating his character arc in the back half of the season. It was suddenly episode 12 and BOOM full blown obsession from nowhere. Well, yeah, if you ignore his decision to blow up the ship leaving Eros because it could have been contaminated, his freak out when he realized there was protomolecule at Ganymede and went nuts on Prax in their first meeting, and his decision to destroy the protomolecule sample he had, then I could see how you think this is coming from nowhere.
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Smiling Jack posted:Forearm mounted weapons are bad and dumb, people have wrists and hands for a reason. I've always just gone with the assumption that they'd be way better than a normal weapon in low to zero g combat. Not having to carry a rifle while you're crawling through some ship's corridors in zero g seems like a big advantage.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:Well, yeah, if you ignore his decision to blow up the ship leaving Eros because it could have been contaminated, his freak out when he realized there was protomolecule at Ganymede and went nuts on Prax in their first meeting, and his decision to destroy the protomolecule sample he had, then I could see how you think this is coming from nowhere. I phrased it wrong. It's not from nowhere, but the script doesn't really build up to very well. Compare the way Hannibal season 1 handled Will's character arc and fraying psyche, and the way people react to his behaviour. It flows. I don't think The Expanse managed to have a similar smoothness to it, either with Holden's characterisation or in the crew's reactions to him.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I phrased it wrong. It's not from nowhere, but the script doesn't really build up to very well. Compare the way Hannibal season 1 handled Will's character arc and fraying psyche, and the way people react to his behaviour. It flows. I don't think The Expanse managed to have a similar smoothness to it, either with Holden's characterisation or in the crew's reactions to him. I think a lot about this season was really choppy.
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Crazycryodude posted:Yeah Holden is really just a bland and vaguely charismatic white dude for the interesting characters to orbit around. Nothing wrong with that, either, it's just what he is. The character of holden is why I stopped reading the books halfway through the second one, I couldn't go on reading about his retarded decisions and Mary Sue bs. The actor playing golden takes it to another level with this last episode putting it over the top. Seriously, last episode with him doing his 'rahhhh I'm angry growl' was terrible but nothing compared to this episode in the cargo bay 'rahhh I'm hurt, or angry? Fuckit rahhhhh'. Everybody else (except mr. omg my daughter) is at least a good actor with Amos actually having a really good character going.
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Subyng posted:Holding your arms out to shoot would not be functionally different than shooting a pistol with one hand, I think. Yeah, but it doesn't make for a very dynamic shot (no pun intended). It's easier to make an interesting shot out of someone holding a gun because it looks more natural. I didn't intend for this derail to go on this long, but at least it's not a page of book spoilers 
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fridge corn posted:Im surprised no one has suggested yet that holden is some kind of deconstruction of the archetypal lead good guy by actually being played as an insufferable self righteous unlikeable prick Yeah, he's basically your oldschool D&D lawful stupid paladin in the books
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I agree that arm guns are a cool idea that looks very lame in action. It'd be cooler to have them use oversized rifles and maybe have micro missiles that can pop out of their arms or even racks that raise out of their shoulders. Hell, give them a predator shoulder gun.
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I like the protomolecule as a space chicken from hell. Also, no reason to have additional maneuverability on the cheap probes. Space is mostly empty so provided their trajectory for earth was good enough no reason to account for other variables. Especially since it is presumably a high throughput process so it doesn't have to work that often for it to meaningfully work.
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Pharmaskittle posted:I agree that arm guns are a cool idea that looks very lame in action. It'd be cooler to have them use oversized rifles and maybe have micro missiles that can pop out of their arms or even racks that raise out of their shoulders. Hell, give them a predator shoulder gun. Edge of Tomorrow got it right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJvARtLMlvQ
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JacksLibido posted:Seriously, last episode with him doing his 'rahhhh I'm angry growl' was terrible but nothing compared to this episode in the cargo bay 'rahhh I'm hurt, or angry? Fuckit rahhhhh'. I thought he sold being pinned to a wall by magnets capable of holding a heavy rear end crate in place during 15+ g burns while a giant blue space man alternatively tears up his ship or tries to eat his face pretty well.
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AirborneNinja posted:I thought he sold being pinned to a wall by magnets capable of holding a heavy rear end crate in place during 15+ g burns while a giant blue space man alternatively tears up his ship or tries to eat his face pretty well. I dunno, he was no Paul Reubens 
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JacksLibido posted:The character of holden is why I stopped reading the books halfway through the second one, I couldn't go on reading about his retarded decisions and Mary Sue bs. What's the Mary Sue angle? He's not especially good at anything but drawing attention to himself, and that often doesn't go great for him or others. The events surrounding Eros made him famous (in the books, at least), but a lot of people think he's just an idiot or an rear end in a top hat.
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Toast Museum posted:What's the Mary Sue angle? He's not especially good at anything but drawing attention to himself, and that often doesn't go great for him or others. The events surrounding Eros made him famous (in the books, at least), but a lot of people think he's just an idiot or an rear end in a top hat. Really, Avasarala is constantly talking about that moron James Holden's latest action or public pronouncement. Fred's not any nicer when the aggravation of Holden exceeds the utility he gets out of him (but usually more the Rocinante).
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Number Ten Cocks posted:Really, Avasarala is constantly talking about that moron James Holden's latest action or public pronouncement. Fred's not any nicer when the aggravation of Holden exceeds the utility he gets out of him (but usually more the Rocinante). The season one line by Fred Johnson owns when he meets Holden for the first time.
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