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Apr 23, 2017 19:43
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Eela6 posted:I don't play Legacy. Care to sum up the arguments for/against a ban? It's best comparison is Smugglers Copter in standard. It's too powerful in comparison to the input cost of playing it. Every fair deck plays it and it's too ubiquitous. Siivola posted:Out of curiousity, did you feel like you got any value out of the artifacts? Pyramid is insane but I think the monuments are pretty unplayable. The whole cycle.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:46
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Banning DRS while not touching anything in miracles would be stupid as gently caress
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born on a buy you posted:Banning DRS while not touching anything in miracles would be stupid as gently caress Well Top needs to go too...
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Apr 23, 2017 19:48
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mcmagic posted:I've been hearing some stuff about DRS being banned from Legacy. I think it's a good idea. I don't see how banning DRS does anything except making Reanimator the second best deck. If they're banning DRS, they're going to have to kill something from Miracles, probably Gitaxian Probe and Entomb, and actually this sounds really dumb, banning only DRS would make no sense though.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:49
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mcmagic posted:It's best comparison is Smugglers Copter in standard. It's too powerful in comparison to the input cost of playing it. Every fair deck plays it and it's too ubiquitous. Miracles? Ban DRS from being played with blue cards in legacy.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:49
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TheKingofSprings posted:Dack Fayden in Vint, Gids is probably as close as we've gotten though in general and it's still a massive gulf dack has the opposite problem of lili where he never broke out in legacy
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Apr 23, 2017 19:50
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Hellsau posted:I don't see how banning DRS does anything except making Reanimator the second best deck. If they're banning DRS, they're going to have to kill something from Miracles, probably Gitaxian Probe and Entomb, and actually this sounds really dumb, banning only DRS would make no sense though. DRS isn't keeping Reanimator down in Legacy. It's actually slow and bad GY hate. I'd say to ban DRS and Top.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:52
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mcmagic posted:DRS isn't keeping Reanimator down in Legacy. It's actually slow and bad GY hate. I don't think DRS helps reanimator and would be played regardless how it interacted with reanimator. Its just a nice, powerful bonus.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:55
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mcmagic posted:DRS isn't keeping Reanimator down in Legacy. It's actually slow and bad GY hate. I'd say to ban DRS and Top. DRS is the U/G/B/x midrange garbage decks' method of winning against Reanimator once you Force their first thing or if you can strip a key card with Thoughtseize to slow them down. If DRS wasn't in those decks, they'd have a zero percent game 1 winrate against Reanimator. Though I guess those decks just don't exist without DRS powering them.
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Apr 23, 2017 20:01
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Hellsau posted:DRS is the U/G/B/x midrange garbage decks' method of winning once you Force their first thing or if you can strip a key card with Thoughtseize. If DRS wasn't in those decks, they'd have a zero percent game 1 winrate against Reanimator. Though I guess those decks just don't exist without DRS powering them. I understand that but they are still major dogs in G1 vs reanimator and 60+% in G's 2 and 3. Sure DRS does pump that but that isn't the matchup I would say that DRS is overpowered in. It's just too ubiquitous.
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Apr 23, 2017 20:04
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Siivola posted:Out of curiousity, did you feel like you got any value out of the artifacts? Hazoret's Monument won me round 3 by digging for my second Manticore and doming for exactsies when I was at 2 life and facing a board of white God, indestructible angel, and a dozen other dudes. The pyramid was underwhelming unless I got it out super early. I'm not sure I'd run it again unless I was playing 3+ colours. I'd definitely play the white and red monuments again (played the white in 2hg, it was great although we didn't win a game  ). The green looks pretty solid too. Blue is meh, haven't looked at black.
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mcmagic posted:I understand that but they are still major dogs in G1 vs reanimator and 60+% in G's 2 and 3. Sure DRS does pump that but that isn't the matchup I would say that DRS is overpowered in. It's just too ubiquitous. DRS is pretty prolific, but that's because it's powerful enough to give people a reason to play a deck over just playing Miracles. The hybrid cost makes that card just show up everywhere. Do you think Legacy is a better format, or a more fun to play format, if DRS and no other card gets banned? If they're going to finally ban Top then I agree that banning DRS is a good idea since it really will be ubiquitous, but it seems crazy that the conversation somehow came to banning DRS. Or is everyone assuming that now WotC will take a look at Legacy and say that Miracles just has too much presence and needs to have something banned from it, surely they won't just keep ignoring Legacy and let it play itself out.
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Hellsau posted:DRS is pretty prolific, but that's because it's powerful enough to give people a reason to play a deck over just playing Miracles. The hybrid cost makes that card just show up everywhere. Yeah i think Legacy would be better without just DRS but it would be even better without DRS and Top.
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Apr 23, 2017 20:12
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Night Danger Moose posted:Went 4-0 with this lot yesterday. Samut is a monster if left unchecked, and Glorybringer is great. What RG cards did you not play, because all your 1 drops seem pretty suspect.
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Apr 23, 2017 20:13
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blue monument did a lot of work for me in by U/B control deck, did real well in matches against people that played a lot of exert.
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Apr 23, 2017 20:14
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mcmagic posted:I've been hearing some stuff about DRS being banned from Legacy. I think it's a good idea. Same. And Terminus. Eela6 posted:I don't play Legacy. Care to sum up the arguments for/against a ban? Pretty much the same as modern. It just goes in every deck and if it doesn't go in that deck the deck isn't good. Like even Miracles isn't favored against a lot of DRS decks and I generally refuse to admit that Miracles isn't favored against anything. Leovold kinda made it overbearing but Deathrite has always been the problem. It doesn't look so bad WRT diversity because there's like 5 different decks but they're all the same 50 cards and either a 10 card combo kill package, a Delver package, or some other midrange cards. I'd be willing to bet if you jam all those decks together it's a good deal more prevalent than Miracles.
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Apr 23, 2017 20:16
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Lol at banning a card in legacy for being too omnipresent that isn't Brainstorm.
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suicidesteve posted:Same. And Terminus. Every time someone says to ban Terminus over Top I lose about ~150 brain cells from slamming my head against the wall. Marketing New Brain posted:Lol at banning a card in legacy for being too omnipresent that isn't Brainstorm. Brainstorm is too fun to ban.
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Apr 23, 2017 20:17
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legacy would be much less fun without brainstorm lol i guess mcmagic beat me to it, but he's right
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Went 4-0 today with B/G counters. Pulled hapatra, honored wurm, a bunch of the -1/-1 green counter uncommons, and a bunch of Black cycling stuff plus 3x final reward. Also had that hexproof lizard guy, which wrecks house every single game. Was tempted to go jund because I pulled a Samut as my promo, but the deck just wasn't consistent enough so I stuck with two colors. I feel like B/G could be viable enough for Standard, or maybe including some of the pieces in another deck. The creatures are efficient enough, in conjunction with the built in removal to turn the tide of games. All of my matches were competitive, this is definitely a strong limited environment. Also I feel like Hazoret is gonna be a sleeper hit of the set; it's easier to turn on than it looks and the ability will quickly force some unpleasant choices.
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Marketing New Brain posted:Lol at banning a card in legacy for being too omnipresent that isn't Brainstorm. Might as well just ban the concept of fun
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Apr 23, 2017 20:22
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Force is in every blue deck. We should ban it for being too present.
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Apr 23, 2017 20:25
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mcmagic posted:Every time someone says to ban Terminus over Top I lose about ~150 brain cells from slamming my head against the wall. Yeah it makes a lot more sense to ban the card that other decks use and nobody ever whines about in those decks and which was fine for years before a certain garbage mechanic was printed and not the card that makes it so control decks' traditionally bad matchups aren't actually bad matchups for the deck.
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Apr 23, 2017 20:26
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Without Top there would be no control deck in Legacy E: Storm and Nic Fit both play it
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suicidesteve posted:Yeah it makes a lot more sense to ban the card that other decks use and nobody ever whines about in those decks and which was fine for years before a certain garbage mechanic was printed and not the card that makes it so control decks' traditionally bad matchups aren't actually bad matchups for the deck. What other decks play Top? It's a 1 of in like 2 random decks. It's THE reason Miracles is a gameplay abomination.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Might as well just ban the concept of fun Worked for Standard.
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suicidesteve posted:Yeah it makes a lot more sense to ban the card that other decks use and nobody ever whines about in those decks and which was fine for years before a certain garbage mechanic was printed and not the card that makes it so control decks' traditionally bad matchups aren't actually bad matchups for the deck. Top isn't that, it's an abomination of sin that should never see the light of day. That it was reprinted in eternal masters instead of being sent into the desert to die should be investigated & prosecuted like a first degree murder imo.
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Went 2-1-1, tie would have been a win if I were less bad at magic Rhohas is busted though lol
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Unban all cards and ban all Magic players. Also lol at listening to people that talk up playing a Walking Ballista for zero on turn one just to get a turn one Bone Picker. Yes, please. Do it against me all day long so I can feed your ..::[Black Delver]:.. a Shock the first turn it attacks.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Without Top there would be no control deck in Legacy Nic Fit is not a deck in legacy and Storm plays 1. That is not enough of a reason to keep it around.
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Apr 23, 2017 21:24
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Make Kefnet Great Again
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Apr 23, 2017 21:35
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My only regret is that I've only won through combat damage so far. One person is gonna take a wild ride before the day is done.
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Apr 23, 2017 21:39
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There was a wotc person spellslinging at the lgs who had a sealed deck that was 1 drake haven, 1 faith of the devoted, 1 archfiend of ifnir, land, and the rest cyclers. It was so stupid and good.
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Apr 23, 2017 21:53
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Currently 2-1, Rhonas is busted. Hepatra probably isn't busted but she's both very good and super fun. Also I don't think any of my opponents were adding cards to their sealed decks but I never do so maybe I'm just gullible
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I have high hopes for this set as a great draft format. The exert mechanic makes it so a lot of little creatures have a better chance of getting through or trading up every other turn, which helps with board stalls.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:There was a wotc person spellslinging at the lgs who had a sealed deck that was 1 drake haven, 1 faith of the devoted, 1 archfiend of ifnir, land, and the rest cyclers. It was so stupid and good. I had drake haven but not enough cyclers. 
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