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Metropolis posted:like FrameWard because Skye's regret is seemingly that Ward betrayed her, not "I regret loving Ward." She deifnitely misses Lincoln more but in a way she is also satisfied with how their relationship played out because even if it ended in tragedy it was real. Skye didn't have a regret fixed. That's just how the simulation played out (Ward turns double agent on Hydra, Skye picked up as hacker kid somewhere, aptitude works her way up the ranks of hydra operatives to be subordinate to May, Ophelia is a Skyeward shipper)
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I thought real-world Aida seemed a bit surprised and maybe even a little bit distressed when she came in and found Mace dead. Like, that goes against her programming and what she thinks the Framework is supposed to do... Maybe she's separate enough from Framework Aida and will have a change of heart (or whatever's inside her) and help to get our heroes out by season's end.
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kayakyakr posted:Skye didn't have a regret fixed. That's just how the simulation played out (Ward turns double agent on Hydra, Skye picked up as hacker kid somewhere, aptitude works her way up the ranks of hydra operatives to be subordinate to May, Ophelia is a Skyeward shipper) I feel like because May saved the kid, the events that led to the other's regrets never came to fruition. So its not so much that Aida fixed their regrets and made them happier, she just found a loophole where in her version of the world those regrets never manifested.
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But there's some sort of time manipulation going on that the characters in the framework don't notice. Because May went in at the time she was rescuing the child, and then apparently went through a few more years (or the equivalent "experience" was uploaded to her character) to reach the current time. And probably this happened to everyone else that Aida put in the framework. So there had to be some fast-forwards, and Aida is able to trigger those, or set the "current time" to whatever she wants and have the characters brought up to synch by gaining (or losing? if moving to the past) simulated experiences. Maybe we will be getting another time skip then? Like maybe to a future world that has turned even more to poo poo, which could be the writers way out of putting the agents in a guilt trip about having to destroy the framework world once they are out. Or maybe Aida is reluctant to do anymore of those since there are unknown parameters now (Daisy and Simmons).
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Sir Nose posted:I thought real-world Aida seemed a bit surprised and maybe even a little bit distressed when she came in and found Mace dead. Like, that goes against her programming and what she thinks the Framework is supposed to do... Maybe she's separate enough from Framework Aida and will have a change of heart (or whatever's inside her) and help to get our heroes out by season's end. I dig the idea of an AI having to fight against a different version of itself, so this sounds good to me. If they take each other out then it keeps our heroes from having to kill anyone, even an evil AI, so that's always a nice bonus too. A face turn is pretty much the only way to keep Aida/Madame Hydra's solid acting around too, but then again that slot is hopefully already filled with a fresh good-guy LMD version of Ward who has to try to wrap his head around his whole reality being an illusion and oh by the way, the real you was soooo evil. Sadly Batius/Mr. Cloth is doomed no matter what here, because the same stuff I said about Aida definitely applies to him, he's been quite legit throughout.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I'd really love one sci fi story to not treat advanced computers as either a world destroying skynet or a soul having human-but-different that deserves rights and poo poo. Just once, just to see how it works. I liked the AI from DOOM. And the one from Mass Effect Andromeda. And also both of the ones from Person of Interest. Glados from Portal also isn't exactly skynet, she just wants to run tests. I'm sure there are examples I forget, but there are a bunch of AI who are just highly advanced sentient programs who perform the task they're programmed to do to the best of their ability.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Jemma's eventual goal is to shut the framework down. So in some sense she is planning a giant genocide. I don't know if there are actually 7.4 billion npcs around, but it's a significant number. She's justifying it by claiming that they aren't actually human, but I wouldn't blame Ward or anyone else for trying to stop that. Hold up. Hear me out. Shield, after much angst, turns off the Framework. I'm actually seeing as Jemma just flipping the switch while everyone is still arguing. HOWEVER Ward's AI mind escapes into an LMD before his word is annihilated. Maybe Madame Hydra/AIDA assists him as a giant "gently caress you" from the grave when she realizes she lost. And season five now has LMD Ward as bad guy. I'll be looking for my check in the mail, ABC-Marvel.
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Framework Ward is technically a ghost. Last season, there was a zombie Ward. Maybe next season Ward becomes Ghost Rider to get the requisite flaming head.
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The MSJ posted:Framework Ward is technically a ghost. Last season, there was a zombie Ward. Maybe next season Ward becomes Ghost Rider to get the requisite flaming head. Too bad Jeffrey Mace, mighty agent, will be gone by then.
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Where are these LMDs being manufactured? Like wouldn't Ward have to escape into an LMD that looked like someone else?
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I'm gonna call it now, Mack accepts that he's in the framework and insists on letting his body in the real world die so he can live peacefully in the framework with his daughter. Separating him and Spark Plug would be brutal as gently caress.
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CornHolio posted:I'm gonna call it now, Mack accepts that he's in the framework and insists on letting his body in the real world die so he can live peacefully in the framework with his daughter. It's possible that the writers would kill off the framework daughter and at least make the decision easier for him (heavy psychological trauma aside).
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Simmons is totally going to lie to Mack, and pretend that Hope is another person trapped in the framework. I plain can't see Mack leaving otherwise.
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I kind of think there's a chance that Hope just gets LMDed and becomes Moon Girl. Kinda.
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AbstractNapper posted:But there's some sort of time manipulation going on that the characters in the framework don't notice. Because May went in at the time she was rescuing the child, and then apparently went through a few more years (or the equivalent "experience" was uploaded to her character) to reach the current time. And probably this happened to everyone else that Aida put in the framework. So there had to be some fast-forwards, and Aida is able to trigger those, or set the "current time" to whatever she wants and have the characters brought up to synch by gaining (or losing? if moving to the past) simulated experiences. Time travels significantly faster in the Framework than in reality, Radcliffe sort of mentioned this when Aida pulled him out that one time. It's possible that May has experienced living 40 years worth of false memories in the week she has been imprisoned. Which is going to be a significant mind-gently caress for her when she wakes up. We only assume that Daisy and Jemma entered it at the "current" time, but without a calendar or newspaper displaying the current date inside the Framework, I'm willing to accept that the events they're experience take place + or - 10 years from Real Time. Also, there is the possibility that Aida's "resets" of the Framework significantly adjust the time like you are describing.
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hiddenriverninja posted:Where are these LMDs being manufactured? Like wouldn't Ward have to escape into an LMD that looked like someone else? The same facility that cracked out about a dozen Daisy-bots on short-notice.
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flosofl posted:The same facility that cracked out about a dozen Daisy-bots on short-notice. Season 5 villain: Chloe Bennet as Grant Ward
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Ojjeorago posted:Season 5 villain: Chloe Bennet as Grant Ward Chloe Bennet just plays literally every character on the show.
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Everyone manages to escape the Framework and return to the real world, but instead of going back to their own bodies their minds end up in one of the Daisy LMDs.
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In the ultimate gently caress You, Ward poses for nude pics to ruin Daisy's reputation.
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Dracorion posted:Everyone manages to escape the Framework and return to the real world, but instead of going back to their own bodies their minds end up in one of the Daisy LMDs. Why waste a perfectly good chance to have a body swapping farce?
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Mymla posted:Chloe Bennet just plays literally every character on the show. Paging Tom Cavanaugh to the Marvel thread. Tom Cavanaugh, to the Marvel thread.
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gently caress YOU MARVEL CANT HAVE HIM
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So this kind of just hit me, but it's such a good illustration of how vastly different the two are that it can't possibly be an accident: Regular Fitz always flinched at needles. Anything involving bodily invasion, dissection and the like, made him visibly uncomfortable to a comical degree. Framework Fitz? Invented a machine for the explicit purpose of horrifically painful bodily violation. And he watches it work without even blinking.
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Ojjeorago posted:Season 5 villain: Chloe Bennet as Grant Ward Ward's come back as everything else, all that's left is the same character in another body. I can see it. As a bonus, he finally gets over his Skye/Daisy obsession because he can be with her whenever he wants.
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I'm rewatching earlier seasons and I know you guys rag on them for poor writing but there was an exchange that I think is inarguably hilariousquote:Smartass Villain Guy: Do you have what it takes to pull the trigger? How far she's come.
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I don't think those early seasons are as bad on a rewatch, because by now you're invested in the characters and where they're going. You know Jemma and Fitz are going to get there and aren't just being nerd cliches. You know Ward's faking it because he's a psycho. You know May's traumatized. You know Coulson's all mind junked. You know Daisy's lonely and desperately searching for answers. Everything makes a little more sense. Plus you know all the "Clairvoyant" stuff is just a red herring for the real villain. S1 struggles so badly because it seems directionless and paint-by-numbers with TV tropes. Knowing they plan to subvert a lot of those tropes and actually are going somewhere with a lot of it really makes it go down easier.
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Ahahahahahahaha Skye pretending to be May is the best
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TFRazorsaw posted:I'm rewatching earlier seasons and I know you guys rag on them for poor writing but there was an exchange that I think is inarguably hilarious Is that when she leaps out the window and the shot is framed so you have a perfect shot of her rear end?
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I don't recall but tbf AOS has lots of shots framing Chloe's rear end.
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TFRazorsaw posted:I don't recall but tbf AOS has lots of shots framing Chloe's rear end. I feel pretty creepy that she was like 19 when that was shot.
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twistedmentat posted:Is that when she leaps out the window and the shot is framed so you have a perfect shot of her rear end? She actually did that stunt herself. I think it is shown in Season 1's blooper video.
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the "large file transfer" scene will never not be funny to me.
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double nine posted:the "large file transfer" scene will never not be funny to me. Refresh my/our memory on that? Also, I'm re-watching season 3 and just got to the awesome Lash vs Everyone battle in 3x07 Chaos Theory. Great loving fight/episode. I miss Lincoln, even if he was the weakest AoS character.
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Apoplexy posted:Refresh my/our memory on that? Also, I'm re-watching season 3. Something like Coulson breaks into the building to steal the computer files, Skye is waiting in the van to coach him through the computers, he discovers that everything's on paper so he tells Skye to "expect a large file transfer" and then throws a filing cabinet out the window.
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"YOU NEVER HAD ANY TIME FOR HER! YOU ONLY HAD TIME FOR YOUR WORK, AND YOUR PROSTITUTES!" Jemma could have had a career in acting.
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Oh, yeah. The file cabinet gag was quite hilarious. And Jemma's acting on the train was just 
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I am betting Daisy or Simmons are going to be running SHIELD at the end of the season. Temporarily, of course. I really like Aida. I'm disappointed she's just gone full villain.
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I hope Ian Quinn comes back before the show ends because I want him dead.
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