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TheChirurgeon posted:It's interesting to see the new models mixed with old Devastators in the new images. I suspect the new marines will be a separate unit and not just the new Tac squad, so as to make them as attractive a purchase for marine players as possible I'd be unsurprised if this were a "boil the frog" scenario, i.e. these are Tactical Mega Marines, and then 6 months from now you get Devastator Mega Marines and so on until the old marines are totally phased out. I don't know if this is really a problem or not though, since new sculpts are just a thing that happens for long-running minis games. Still, the army size in 40k doesn't really help matters.
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:mixed armor/equipment stuff is easily handwaved away through the fluff, but these new guys look to stand a head taller than the current ones. thats a pretty significant difference Yeah, but it's not like comparable sizes have ever really meant anything. Catachans were bigger than some marine models. Looking better or worse is a very different situation than two competing units in the game.
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sure, but you know drat well the thought behind these new big marines is most likely to get a majority of the 50% of 40k players to replace all their dudes eventually, since the whole poorhammer shaming bullshit is a real thing
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:sure, but you know drat well the thought behind these new big marines is most likely to get a majority of the 50% of 40k players to replace all their dudes eventually, since the whole poorhammer shaming bullshit is a real thing Sure, there's a toxic culture surrounding GW and its players, has been for years. But that's not a fault of the game so much as it is a fault of the people who play the games and GW doing nothing to stop it. As long as you can use old marines in GW stores and at official events, then it's hard to treat it as a legitimate criticism.
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not a substantiated criticism yet, but more a girding of the loins i suppose. hence why im interested in the gw store offerings in a years time
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:mixed armor/equipment stuff is easily handwaved away through the fluff, but these new guys look to stand a head taller than the current ones. thats a pretty significant difference We haven't seen a good marine-to-marine comparison yet so I'm not sold on that take. The posing of the legs and the bases make a huge difference. I took a couple photos of my mans as an example: This is a standard tactical marine in power squat next to (new) regular marines from the Deathwatch, who easily stand a head taller because they aren't squatting.   e: Also the 32mm bases are slightly taller TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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TheChirurgeon posted:We haven't seen a good marine-to-marine comparison yet so I'm not sold on that take. The posing of the legs and the bases make a huge difference. I took a couple photos of my mans as an example: This is a standard tactical marine in power squat next to (new) regular marines from the Deathwatch, who easily stand a head taller because they aren't squatting. I'm going with it being a big nothing burger until we know if it's just a new kit or actually a new unit with new in game rules.
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You're going to swap out all your marines for tallmarines and by gum you're gonna like it
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Guy Goodbody posted:loving lol at GW, demanding their models be paid for in money instead of whiskey
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DO NOT GIVE GW WHISKY
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Apr 23, 2017 06:05
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buy GW branded whisky instead! (it's a 750ml bottle of fosters for £55)
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Wouldn't GW whisky just be some grain and wood planks?
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Apr 23, 2017 06:18
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a home distilling kit for twice the price of the competition
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Black_Nexus posted:raped Hi, use better words, thanks
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quote:https://warhammer40000.com/setting/explore-the-factions/ another game another promise broken where are the nigmos, gw???
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Just played Test of Honour. It was pretty cool. There's a bit of randomness since you can injure yourself on a bad roll or draw an activation token that doesn't help you and lets your opponent get multiple actions in a row, but it's not terrible. If you draw a Fate token instead of a token for one of your units, your samurai at least gains a level and has a new skill for the rest of the game, which is a nice balance to losing your action. A single game took about 20 minutes, but we only played the first two scenarios. Maybe the larger games take longer.
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Everyone in this thread is far too invested in other people having fun that you can't even enjoy a game update without enough drama to cover 30 seasons of a show.
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ijyt posted:Everyone in this thread is far too invested in other people having fun that you can't even enjoy a game update without enough drama to cover 30 seasons of a show. and you're here with us. 
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:and you're here with us. He posted the same thing in the 40k thread. I'm enjoying how many people in the 40k thread are immediately thanking GW for the chance to change the game massively because the rules are an absolute mess and many of them don't even understand how core game mechanics are supposed to work, plus things like formations are awful. It's nice to see so many secret death threaders.
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I really really really realyl really really hope new 40K is a fun and enjoyable game, because I still love the lore in this dumb game, many of the models are kicking rad, I already have several armies' worth of stuff under my bed and like 95% of the people here play 40K (or AOS, god damnit) so it'd be cool to be able to play some 40K again. That being said, I'm not holding my breath.
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Der Shovel posted:(or AOS, god damnit) I have some bad news for you.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Just played Test of Honour. It was pretty cool. There's a bit of randomness since you can injure yourself on a bad roll or draw an activation token that doesn't help you and lets your opponent get multiple actions in a row, but it's not terrible. If you draw a Fate token instead of a token for one of your units, your samurai at least gains a level and has a new skill for the rest of the game, which is a nice balance to losing your action. A single game took about 20 minutes, but we only played the first two scenarios. Maybe the larger games take longer. Neat. I was going to look into this or the osprey samurai game after the rising sun board game comes out. The actual board game looks like rear end but ~70ish minis with that quality for $100 is a decent deal. If it doesn't work out, could always use them in KOW anyway.
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Chill la Chill posted:Neat. I was going to look into this or the osprey samurai game after the rising sun board game comes out. The actual board game looks like rear end but ~70ish minis with that quality for $100 is a decent deal. If it doesn't work out, could always use them in KOW anyway. I got Ronin in a Bundle of Holding awhile back so we're going to try that out in the near future too.
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That poor Space Marine statue is gonna get some company under the stairwell when the new Age of Emperor marine displaces Ol Sigmarine
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Nothing and no one is going to replace AOS on the IP suicide mountaintop. They loving unfurled a giant statue and had a canned speech for their staff like a goddamned banana republic. They literally invalidated millions of dollars and hours of their fans investments as a complete loving surprise. When people complained they told them to pretend to ride a horse. No one is ever topping that. There should be an OJ Simpson style TV drama about it.
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40k was never going to get as harsh a treatment as fantasy. 40k has great iconic lore and a unique setting. Fantasy had a bland Tolkienesque lore with largely generic races. No need to change 40k here. 40k sells space marines like a mofo. Fantasy 'needed ' a new unique race of fantasy marines to replace their generic humans, and sell like mofos. No need to change 40k here either. The new fantasy main good human race needs lore and insertion to the story, and the old story is too bland, so they blow up the world and invalidate all the old lore. I expect some old 40k characters to die or w/e as they 'advance the story line' but not much more than that. The rules are almost certain to be short and poorly written and upsetting to everyone who likes the game, and result in a mosh pit rolling 3+ 4+ in the middle of the table.
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 Here's the new map of 40k galaxy. Remember the Eye of Terror? Well, we've got a new and improved warp rift now. Also, Cadia is gone, Attila belongs to the Necrons and Prospero has popped back up. Can't spot any other major differences. Tyranids seem pretty absent.
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Lord Hypnostache posted:Tyranids seem pretty absent.
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berzerkmonkey posted:They haven't crossed into the galaxy yet, have they? I thought I remembered them only at the fringe of the galaxy. Of course, my Nid fluff is way out of date... Fringe army, fringe of the galaxy. Makes sense.
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berzerkmonkey posted:They haven't crossed into the galaxy yet, have they? I thought I remembered them only at the fringe of the galaxy. Of course, my Nid fluff is way out of date... Yeah it was always that only the foremost tendrils of the hive fleet were coming from the galactic north or whatever.
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That map also doesn't seem to show any Eldar at all, just Tau and Necrons labeled and random Ork symbols stamped everywhere. I guess that means its curtains for the Eldar! I just realized that apparently Eldrad Ulthran isn't dead any more? That's a thing? It looks like they just completely ignored the whole hash they made of the black crusade campaign in the new book.
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The tyranids are returning to their home planet, because their home planet needs them Note: The Tyranids died on the way back to their home planet
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NTRabbit posted:The tyranids are returning to their home planet, because their home planet needs them HEY DOODZ WHO WANTS TO EAT ALL THE RAD BIOMASS?!
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Ashcans posted:That map also doesn't seem to show any Eldar at all, just Tau and Necrons labeled and random Ork symbols stamped everywhere. I guess that means its curtains for the Eldar! Not dead. They pretty much reset time back to the 13th Black Crusade, and that is going to be the "new" setting for 40K going forward.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Not dead. They pretty much reset time back to the 13th Black Crusade, and that is going to be the "new" setting for 40K going forward. Also they changed the outcome to the one they were originally trying to railroad before the Ork players got hosed off with being NPCs and went renegade, I believe, though that player campaign was well before my ham time
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Lord Hypnostache posted:
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dmnz posted:40k has great iconic lore and a unique setting. Fantasy had a bland Tolkienesque lore with largely generic races. I remember the bit in LOTR where Pippin wanders through a battle between confederate elf america and aztec lizardmen.
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NTRabbit posted:Also they changed the outcome to the one they were originally trying to railroad before the Ork players got hosed off with being NPCs and went renegade, I believe, though that player campaign was well before my ham time I think that was the fantasy campaign, where Orks just kind of donked Archaeoeoan The old Eye of Terror campaign was a cool idea, mediocre execution. Lots of wonky results on both sides, and when Chaos started clowning the order side (order had way more players with space marines, but a lot more bad players and this was when Chaos had that sweet early 4th edition codex with all the legion lists), they softened the result to basically be "stalemate, with Chaos gaining a foothold." I don't remember the Orks really having much of a role, but they had a much bigger part in the Armageddon campaign that got run a two years prior (that's when they released the big metal ghazkhull, Salamanders, and Black Templar) It was a cool enough idea--play a game, then post your results to the campaign, choosing a planet to be fighting over--but there was little in the way of controls for faking results (iirc if your opponent verified the game result, you'd score the game 5x or something) and there wasn't enough support/interaction with FLGSes to hold sanctioned campaign events that weren't in the scattered pool of GW stores. Still, it was fun and novel when they did it--there wasn't exactly a template for this kind of event back in 2003. Then they backed things up in 6th/7th to pre-campaign timing, which meant Eldrad was still alive. Fluff-wise he was also instrumental in doing stuff to make the new Eldar god happen
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40k and fantasy are both super-derivative but it's a bit less obvious in 40k because it takes a bunch of fantasy stuff and writes "space" on top of it fantasy's setting is more interesting though because it's not *totally* overrun with grimderp bullshit
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dmnz posted:The new fantasy main good human race needs lore and insertion to the story, and the old story is too bland, so they blow up the world and invalidate all the old lore.
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