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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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ookiimarukochan posted:Says the Nazi gold hoarding Zurich Gnome. I'm glad someone is willing to address the elephant in the room here.
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EmptyVessel posted:Would love to do this, but unhappily I'm in Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk so.. I've been to Selkirk. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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Apr 23, 2017 22:35
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Jedit posted:I've been to Selkirk. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. It's not that bad. Like Aberdeen it has some great countryside around it.
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Apr 24, 2017 01:31
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EmptyVessel posted:It's not that bad. Like Aberdeen it has some great countryside around it. Pish football team though. Same can be said for the entire constituency. Can't trust a place in Scotland that likes rugby more than football.
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Apr 24, 2017 09:32
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forkboy84 posted:Pish football team though. Same can be said for the entire constituency. Can't trust a place in Scotland that likes rugby more than football. Not interested in either, but I'd rather have rugby players (not to mention all the horseback Common Riding nutters) when the UK self-destructs and we need to reman Hadrians wall in the post-apocalyptic hellscape.
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Apr 24, 2017 11:03
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Hoops posted:I believe in the general worthiness of polls, but I'm not buying 1 in 3 people in Scotland voting Conservative, I'm just not. 22% of people Voted Tory in the last Holyrood election so I'm not sure why you're finding it unbelievable in the current political climate other than clutching onto the false notion of Scotland as a liberal left wing country.
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Apr 24, 2017 11:29
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It'll probably be pissing into the wind but I reckon voting labour can't do any harm up here. It looks like it's mostly going to be libdems vs SNP for the GE and they're both shite so you might as well go for labour as a protest vote.
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Apr 24, 2017 11:48
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Aramoro posted:22% of people Voted Tory in the last Holyrood election so I'm not sure why you're finding it unbelievable in the current political climate other than clutching onto the false notion of Scotland as a liberal left wing country. Hoops isn't being willfully naive here: 33% would be a staggering result, and the best tory performance in Scotland since 1974. More than anything, I think, it shows how two constitutional issues have completely reframed Scottish (and British) politics. Both for the worse, in my opinion.
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Apr 24, 2017 13:55
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EmptyVessel posted:Not interested in either, but I'd rather have rugby players (not to mention all the horseback Common Riding nutters) when the UK self-destructs and we need to reman Hadrians wall in the post-apocalyptic hellscape. Yeah, but the rugby players will all be working to ensure we remain in the union. Dodgy types. Aramoro posted:22% of people Voted Tory in the last Holyrood election so I'm not sure why you're finding it unbelievable in the current political climate other than clutching onto the false notion of Scotland as a liberal left wing country. 33% is quite a significant increase on 22%. In fact it's a 50% increase in the space of one year.
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Apr 24, 2017 14:15
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Niric posted:Hoops isn't being willfully naive here: 33% would be a staggering result, and the best tory performance in Scotland since 1974. More than anything, I think, it shows how two constitutional issues have completely reframed Scottish (and British) politics. Both for the worse, in my opinion. Whilst I don't think we'll reach 33% here I think close to 30% is not too wild. They got 12% in 2011 (SE), 15% in 2015 (GE), 22% in 2016 (SE). So between the GE in 2015 and the SE in 2016 they picked up 7% in vote share. Now granted there's a big difference between UK and Scottish elections but I could see them getting in the region of 25-28% total share.
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Apr 24, 2017 14:38
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Mostly picking up Labour unionists, I'd assume. What kind of person cares so much about the union they'd leave Labour for the Tories?
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Apr 24, 2017 14:52
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Coohoolin posted:Mostly picking up Labour unionists, I'd assume. One who believes the consequences of independence would be worse for them than another Tory government?
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Apr 24, 2017 14:57
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Coohoolin posted:Mostly picking up Labour unionists, I'd assume. Robert Bontine Cunninghame Graham.
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Apr 24, 2017 16:16
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Pissflaps posted:One who believes the consequences of independence would be worse for them than another Tory government? So an idiot. Fortunately for the Tories those are hardly in short supply.
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Apr 24, 2017 16:26
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This is totally unrelated to anything, but a new paper has just been published re-examining the way alcohol consumption is estimated in Scotland. Nothing especially surprising in the findings (self-reported consumption is a piss-poor measure for multiple reasons; people, and especially men, drink too much; alcohol consumption is highest amongst males in deprived areas), but interesting nonetheless, and worth mentioning since it suggests that alcohol-related issues are worse than previously thought (and they were already thought to be bad), and that alcohol consumption by men in deprived areas has been under-estimated thus far. quote:Initial adjustment for non-response resulted in estimates of overall mean weekly consumption that were elevated by up to 15.1% [26.5 units (18.6 - 34.4)] compared with corrections based solely on socio-demographic data [22.5 (17.7 - 27.3)]; other drinking behaviour estimates were little changed. Under more extreme assumptions the overall difference was up to 53% and calibrating to sales estimates resulted in up to 87% difference. Increases were especially pronounced among males in deprived areas quote:Adjusting for differential participation resulted in elevated estimates of weekly alcohol consumption. This was particularly pronounced among men living in the most deprived areas, operating chiefly through the elevated levels of alcohol-related harm experienced by non-respondents in this group. Among women the correction did not have a substantial impact on the level or patterning of weekly consumption. Generally, the prevalence of non-drinkers and binge drinking were not materially affected by adjustment. For problem-drinking, there tended to be a proportionally larger change in the more deprived quintiles. quote:for men, overall levels and socio-economic differences in consumption were under-estimated. quote:The percentage increase in weekly units consumed from the survey-weighted estimate to the MAR adjustment among males was typically the greatest in the most deprived quintile (+4.9% in 1995, +3.6% in 1998, +17.8% in 2003 and +13.6% in 2008-2010 compared with -1.6%, +4.4%, -2.6% and -13.6%, respectively in the least deprived quintile
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Apr 24, 2017 16:40
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Do all parties do this these days Or just the snp?
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Apr 24, 2017 20:27
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They've all done that for years. I remember doing a mock election in 2001 and we got assigned our parties and got these things - some even included rosettes.
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Apr 25, 2017 00:37
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/856651768838664192
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Apr 25, 2017 02:50
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That's quite a poll I imagine some people are furious with it.
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Apr 25, 2017 07:50
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Just a bit saddened really.
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Apr 25, 2017 08:44
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Pissflaps posted:That's quite a poll I imagine some people are furious with it. What is with your lack of understanding? You of all people know Corbyn is going to get trashed. We're stuck with the Tories for 5-10 years at least. Scotland has a chance of escaping a decade of more misery. And yet you belittle them for even wanting the chance.
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Apr 25, 2017 10:19
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Regarde Aduck posted:What is with your lack of understanding? You of all people know Corbyn is going to get trashed. We're stuck with the Tories for 5-10 years at least. Scotland has a chance of escaping a decade of more misery. And yet you belittle them for even wanting the chance. My understanding is that Scottish independence would be bad for Scotland and bad for the rest of the UK. Beware of nationalists offering easy solutions: whether they're scapegoating Westminster or Brussels.
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Apr 25, 2017 10:23
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Wait, so Scots are turning Tory/pro-Brexit now? Why?
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Apr 25, 2017 12:37
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El Perkele posted:Wait, so Scots are turning Tory/pro-Brexit now? In a nutshell, it's less to do with Brexit (though that's still involved in a lot of areas like the north east) and more to do with independence. Namely Unionism in Scotland used to be one of the main planks of the Scottish Labour Party, but now that Labour has withered away to a form that someone from 1965 wouldn't recognise as even vaguely possible the Tories have successfully pushed themselves as the one party to vote for if you are a Scot who supports the union, everything else be damned. They are also helped by Ruth Davidson's successful detoxifying of the Tory brand in Scotland (though in fairness that was started under the previous leader of the Scottish Tories, Annabel Goldie, who I think has largely ended up forgotten despite doing a lot to steady the ship), and in particular the fact she's quite likeable by the standards of politicians. She's also gay, which was quite a big deal for a the Tories at the time. The Greens had Patrick Harvie as a gay leader, but the Greens having a gay leader is a trillion times less notable than the Conservatives. So it's not all about independence, but the fact that the SNP have gone for another referendum this soon after the first failed has definitely given them a shot in the arm. Alternatively, it's just that everyone is awful and the worst possible outcome will almost always triumph. I dunno.
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Apr 25, 2017 12:58
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forkboy84 posted:In a nutshell, it's less to do with Brexit (though that's still involved in a lot of areas like the north east) and more to do with independence. Namely Unionism in Scotland used to be one of the main planks of the Scottish Labour Party, but now that Labour has withered away to a form that someone from 1965 wouldn't recognise as even vaguely possible the Tories have successfully pushed themselves as the one party to vote for if you are a Scot who supports the union, everything else be damned. They are also helped by Ruth Davidson's successful detoxifying of the Tory brand in Scotland (though in fairness that was started under the previous leader of the Scottish Tories, Annabel Goldie, who I think has largely ended up forgotten despite doing a lot to steady the ship), and in particular the fact she's quite likeable by the standards of politicians. She's also gay, which was quite a big deal for a the Tories at the time. The Greens had Patrick Harvie as a gay leader, but the Greens having a gay leader is a trillion times less notable than the Conservatives. All right, thank you for explanation - I probably could have realized that myself, but currently I look at British Isles politics from horrified Brexit angle 
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Apr 25, 2017 13:09
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Tbf David Coburn and Kezia Dugdale are respectively gay and bi and that didn't do much for UKIP or Labour.
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Apr 25, 2017 13:13
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Polling is likely to be erratic at the moment. Nobody really knows whats going to happen until the negotiations are completed, so polling independence voting intentions is about as accurate as sticking a finger in the air and concluding it's going to rain. This of course will not stop the press from continuing to make said polls in order to create spin.
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Apr 25, 2017 13:24
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Coohoolin posted:Tbf David Coburn and Kezia Dugdale are respectively gay and bi and that didn't do much for UKIP or Labour. David Coburn is a loving clown though, not sure being a gay clown is any different from a straight clown, and Labour are both a disaster in their own way and certainly never had the same taint as openly homophobic that the Tories had in recent years. It's far from the sole reason, it's probably just a minor one, but it all combines to go a long way towards making the Conservatives palatable in a way they weren't under McLetchie or Goldie.
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Apr 25, 2017 13:35
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forkboy84 posted:David Coburn is a loving clown though, not sure being a gay clown is any different from a straight clown, and Labour are both a disaster in their own way and certainly never had the same taint as openly homophobic that the Tories had in recent years. It's far from the sole reason, it's probably just a minor one, but it all combines to go a long way towards making the Conservatives palatable in a way they weren't under McLetchie or Goldie. I know, I just think it's kinda cool that Scotland only has one straight party leader.
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Apr 25, 2017 14:08
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Coohoolin posted:Tbf David Coburn and Kezia Dugdale are respectively gay and bi and that didn't do much for UKIP or Labour.
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Apr 25, 2017 14:20
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Davidson has certainly done an astonishing job in making Scots willing to vote Tory again, partly by being personally charismatic and apparently not too awful by Tory standards, but in no small part by disassociating herself as far as possible from the Conservative brand. When I last had Tory leaflets through the door you could be forgiven for thinking she represented the Ruth Davidson Party, because it barely even said "Conservatives" anywhere on it. Hopefully people will remember at the polling station that a vote for her is still a vote for May and the Westminster Conservative party.
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Apr 25, 2017 14:27
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Speaking objectively, she's an absolutely brilliant leader for a minority party in a small country, she makes Dugdale look like she's here on work experience. I like Ruth Davidson, and I loving hate the Tories. I'm not sure I'm fully on board with the idea that the Scottish Conservatives are now seen as the party of the No voter, but can't deny the stigma is vanishing based on the polling data coming through. It's a really, really, really bad time for Labour. Hoops fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 15:51
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Davidson has that nightmarish quality for a conservative. She's likeable.
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Apr 25, 2017 19:28
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Labour don't do enough to attack the Tories, they're too hung up with the SNP. I've only seen stuff like this from SNP types.
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Apr 25, 2017 22:46
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Coohoolin posted:Labour don't do enough to attack the Tories, they're too hung up with the SNP. I've only seen stuff like this from SNP types. Haven't seen it but people seem to have said good things about Kez's speech attacking the Tories today
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Apr 25, 2017 22:53
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forkboy84 posted:Haven't seen it but people seem to have said good things about Kez's speech attacking the Tories today Me neither but from what I heard Kezia ripped into Ruth when it came to the Rape Clause and everyone seemed to think that was the best Dugdale has done in a while.
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Apr 26, 2017 18:58
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I got a nice leaflet from the Tell Nicola Sturgeon Scotland Doesn't Want A Second Referendum Party Featuring Ruth Davidson, which for some reason mentions neither the council or general election so who knows how long this has been in the works, but I wanted to draw your attention to the included dodgy bar chart which I've seen doing the rounds online already: fun fact: 28 is closer to 14 than it is to 47.
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Apr 27, 2017 00:49
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Niric posted:This is totally unrelated to anything, but a new paper has just been published re-examining the way alcohol consumption is estimated in Scotland. Nothing especially surprising in the findings (self-reported consumption is a piss-poor measure for multiple reasons; people, and especially men, drink too much; alcohol consumption is highest amongst males in deprived areas), but interesting nonetheless, and worth mentioning since it suggests that alcohol-related issues are worse than previously thought (and they were already thought to be bad), and that alcohol consumption by men in deprived areas has been under-estimated thus far. This wasn't published back in March 9?
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Apr 27, 2017 10:37
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Angepain posted:I got a nice leaflet from the Tell Nicola Sturgeon Scotland Doesn't Want A Second Referendum Party Featuring Ruth Davidson, which for some reason mentions neither the council or general election so who knows how long this has been in the works, but I wanted to draw your attention to the included dodgy bar chart which I've seen doing the rounds online already: loving hell this sort of thing should be illegal.
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Apr 27, 2017 13:56
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Lord of the Llamas posted:loving hell this sort of thing should be illegal. 
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Apr 27, 2017 14:01
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