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I've got something for you guys to chew on. What if a good thing... is actually bad? Makes you think.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:GotG has the advantage in perfocmances and pacing, but it's humour and script are about as bad as with HGttG. The latter on the other hand has visual design and direction that makes GotG look like amateur hour (and makes its own mediocrity doubly tragic). Again, you're stating your opinion as though it's objective fact. You gotta work on that. Hitchhiker's Guide managed to make me bored with Sam Rockwell and Martin Freeman, whereas Guardians made a sentient tree and a professional wrestler engaging, memorable characters.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:39
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I've got something for you guys to chew on. What if the bad thing is real good? And peoples brains are broken? Mak u tinnk
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Apr 24, 2017 18:46
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Phylodox posted:Again, you're stating your opinion as though it's objective fact. You gotta work on that. Hitchhiker's Guide managed to make me bored with Sam Rockwell and Martin Freeman, whereas Guardians made a sentient tree and a professional wrestler engaging, memorable characters. I've never claimed that HGttG doesn't waste good actors, or that the sentient tree and the professional wrestler in GotG aren't compelling, so I'm not sure why you'd bring that up.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:48
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I've never claimed that HGttG doesn't waste good actors, or that the sentient tree and the professional wrestler in GotG aren't compelling, so I'm not sure why you'd bring that up. Hitchhiker's Guide = so bad it makes good things bad. Guardians = so good it makes not necessarily good things great. The two films are not comparable.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:52
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Drifter posted:It's not that the MCU is unpopular, it's just that it's generally recognized to be, as has been said before, unimaginative, mindless mostly-fun on a per-movie basis. There's nothing to talk about since the plots and characters are mishmashes of inadequacy and lack of depth, and the movies themselves are shot in such a way as to be the most uninteresting visual representation of each scene there could be. I actually completely agree with this. The MCU is junk food. I love junk food but sometimes I want a good steak. I remember wondering if the reason BvS was getting a more "sympathetic" response in here was because people were tired of MCU junk food and wanted something a bit more...ambitious, even if Snyder's reach exceeds his grasp. That's why I got Watchmen, really. I wanted a superhero movie that actually had something to say, ya know? NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 18:52
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NikkolasKing posted:I actually completely agree with this. The MCU is junk food. I love junk food but sometimes I want a good steak. Nah, Batman v Superman is an absolute blast whether or not you compare it to some other franchise. Obviously some people didn't like it, but liking it doesn't need any qualifiers or to be driven only by comparison: some people just like different things. I like it for the same reasons I liked the movies Zack Snyder had been making since before the MCU existed.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:55
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Phylodox posted:Hitchhiker's Guide = so bad it makes good things bad. Did you not see the visual evidence? In HHGttG, people stand on fields like this, in GotG people stand on fields like this.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:26
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Sir Kodiak posted:Nah, Batman v Superman is an absolute blast whether or not you compare it to some other franchise. Obviously some people didn't like it, but liking it doesn't need any qualifiers or to be driven only by comparison: some people just like different things. I like it for the same reasons I liked the movies Zack Snyder had been making since before the MCU existed. Batman v Superman is a steak dinner where the waiter forgets to take your order for an hour, and then when it comes out the steak is overcooked. Yeah, it's not junkfood, but it's neither what you paid for nor particularly good.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:28
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Can someone please post an assessment of every Batman movie from 1987 to The Dark Knight Rises using only food metaphors? Thanks in advance.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:31
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Can someone please post an assessment of every Batman movie from 1987 to The Dark Knight Rises using only food metaphors? Only if you promise me that we will get into an argument about the food used in the metaphors and how it's really bad/good food.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:38
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Strobe posted:Batman v Superman is a steak dinner where the waiter forgets to take your order for an hour, and then when it comes out the steak is overcooked. Odd to see BvS being represented as not being what you paid for, considering all the complaints about how revealing the trailers were. I get not liking it, but being surprised at what you got, after all Snyder's other films and the trailers, is a bit ridiculous.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:39
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Generally you can be surprised at how terrible a movie is even if you know most of what's going to happen in it, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. 
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Apr 24, 2017 19:41
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The Dark Knight is a steak dinner where the steak is a little dry and overdone, but the baked potato is the best you've ever had. The broccoli is half raw and half overcooked mush, weirdly enough. 
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Apr 24, 2017 19:47
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Batman '89 is a Happy Meal made by Heston Blumenthal.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:50
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I find it tragic that My Friend Dahmer will probably not playing within a thousand kilometre radius of me, let alone anywhere I can reasonably travel to catch a movie. I loved the comic, so waiting for the DVD/Blu-Ray is going to be annoying.  Phylodox posted:Hitchhiker's Guide = so bad it makes good things bad. They actually are. Both are sci-fi comedies that adapt pop culture works revolving around journeys in space and between planets, with a band of misfits evading authorities and ugly monsters. One has visual design and direction that makes the other look like amateur hour, despite being nine years older than the other, having a first-time film director and quarter the budget, and lacking the 24/7 supervision and support of the world's greatest and most influential entertainment giant and a subsidiary brand/media division that is one of the most successful in recorded history. Being shown up by good movies is understandable. Being shown-up by the 2005 Hitch-Hiker's movie is just sad. That's why I also made a point of comparing GotG to good movies, too. I could point out obvious things like how poor GotG's visual comedy is (symptomatic of MCU movies), to the point where any more side-by-side comparisons with Hot Fuzz would be like throwing a kid into a tiger-pit. I could point out how bad some of the design and direction are. Like Knowhere, where much awe is reserved for something that just looks hazy and indistinct from the nebula fog that dominates the scene, and any impression is quickly forgotten because the inside of the place never plays on that body dynamic.  You seem to be making a big deal about how GotG made a talking tree and a professional wrestler compelling characters, which just reminds of the talk about how audacious Marvel was when it included a talking raccoon in a movie. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 19:52
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Strobe posted:Batman v Superman is a steak dinner where the waiter forgets to take your order for an hour, and then when it comes out the steak is overcooked. Time for another derail about how Batman is poo poo because he only eats a steak well done and is canonically incapable of cooking a steak in an iron skillet even though that is the easiest thing to do on earth. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Can someone please post an assessment of every Batman movie from 1987 to The Dark Knight Rises using only food metaphors? The Batman and Robin - Under-cooked pork belly. Batman: The Movie - A chicken-fried pork chop. Batman - Pork Wellington. Batman Returns - Two pounds of pulled pork. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm - A braised pork tenderloin. Batman Forever - Microwaved bacon. Batman and Robin - A can of SPAM® Jalapeño. Batman Begins - An un-glazed ham. The Dark Knight - A Coca Cola-glazed ham. Batman: Gotham Knight - A quarter pound of prosciutto. The Dark Knight Rises - Canadian bacon. Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice - Pig's feet.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:53
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Whenever anyone says anything thing is bad, I just use this forum's Zack Snyder defense: Anything bad was actually meant to be bad, therefore is above criticism.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:53
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Davros1 posted:Whenever anyone says anything thing is bad, I just use this forum's Zack Snyder defense: Anything bad was actually meant to be bad, therefore is above criticism. Well yeah. Batman being bad in BvS, for example, was completely intentional; him being an antagonist is a pretty big part of the movie.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:57
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Literally everything you say is either your opinion presented as objective fact or comical hyperbole. Like, ever. Guardians of the Galaxy is a fine looking and quite funny film. You saying it isn't doesn't somehow make it so. Davros1 posted:Whenever anyone says anything thing is bad, I just use this forum's Zack Snyder defense: Anything bad was actually meant to be bad, therefore is above criticism. No, no, no. Thing being bad is actually cutting satire of other thing that is
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Apr 24, 2017 19:57
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Phylodox posted:Literally everything you say is either your opinion presented as objective fact or comical hyperbole. Like, ever. Guardians of the Galaxy is a fine looking and quite funny film. You saying it isn't doesn't somehow make it so. I've not merely said that it's a dull movie, I've shown it to be so, with quite damning visual evidence.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:58
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I've not merely said that it's a dull movie, I've shown it with quite damning evidence. Can you compare Guardians and Hitchhiker's using a ham-based metaphor? That's really the only way I can wrap my head around it. TIA.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:00
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I've not merely said that it's a dull movie, I've shown it with quite damning evidence. I must have entirely missed that part in your literal mountain of words about a movie you claim to hate. Allow me to rebut: you've shown nothing, merely stated your opinion.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:00
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Phylodox posted:
No that's Michael Bay
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Apr 24, 2017 20:09
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It was filmed bad on purpose, as a joke.quote:I've not merely said that it's a dull movie, I've shown it with quite damning evidence. lol
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Apr 24, 2017 20:13
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Phylodox posted:I must have entirely missed that part in your literal mountain of words about a movie you claim to hate. But don't you see how the deadlocked bureaucracy is so magnificently represented by the huddled Vogon hordes in the first image? Guardians doesn't have any of that cinematic masturbation going on, and is therefore objectively inferior. Somehow.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:14
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Strobe posted:cinematic masturbation Okay I've not given two shits about this because I deeply, truly, do not care about Guardians But using this phrase in response to good visual design in a movie is really goddamn stupid and you might want to rethink your position a bit. How dare this movie be so needlessly self indulgent that it has actual visual style and flare beyond the most basic and bare bones of filming techniques. You get what I'm saying here? You're going too far the other direction.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:17
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:[...] and lacking the 24/7 supervision and support of the world's greatest and most influential entertainment giant and a subsidiary brand/media division that is one of the most successful in recorded history. When have these things ever helped? Also, you pretty much admitted that HHGttG's characters are bland and whatnot, so you might pretty please try not to be in insufferably smug douchebag about it's superiority. It has some shots that are nicer than some shots from GotG, we get it.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:17
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Strobe posted:But don't you see how the deadlocked bureaucracy is so magnificently represented by the huddled Vogon hordes in the first image? Guardians doesn't have any of that cinematic masturbation going on, and is therefore objectively inferior. Somehow. Did you notice how nobody has actually managed to praise the film's cinematic qualities? Note: repeating that you don't care over and over is not praise.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:20
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wyoming posted:Well the bad news is you've seen the peak of the show, so it's all downhill from there. I hadn't watched Legion because I really disliked the comic version. I just watched that clip and it's a distillation of everything I hated.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:20
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Burkion posted:Okay I've not given two shits about this because I deeply, truly, do not care about Guardians You seem to have confused my sarcastic response with an actual opinion that I hold. I was mocking BravestOfTheLamps's insistence that a superficially similar comparison shot between two movies with wildly different attitudes is damning evidence.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:19
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:One has visual design and direction that makes the other look like amateur hour, despites being nine years older than the other, having a first-time film director and quarter the budget, and lacking the 24/7 supervision and support of the world's greatest and most influential entertainment giant and a subsidiary brand/media division that is one of the most successful in recorded history. HHG2G is a Disney film, actually. Buena Vista specifically, but definitely Disney.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:22
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:I hadn't watched Legion because I really disliked the comic version. I just watched that clip and it's a distillation of everything I hated. Care to elaborate any? I know nothing of the character and watching that clip it at least looked pretty interesting.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:23
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Phylodox posted:I must have entirely missed that part in your literal mountain of words about a movie you claim to hate. As I showed with screencaps from the movie, GotG is a unimaginative, inambitious, and murky movie. There's plenty of pictorial evidence of that. Compare for example the kind of visual gag you can find in HGttG and in GotG:   Or a dramatic beat in action sequence in Fifth Element and GotG:   Strobe posted:But don't you see how the deadlocked bureaucracy is so magnificently represented by the huddled Vogon hordes in the first image? Guardians doesn't have any of that cinematic masturbation going on, and is therefore objectively inferior. Somehow. Strobe posted:You seem to have confused my sarcastic response with an actual opinion that I hold. I was mocking BravestOfTheLamps's insistence that a superficially similar comparison shot between two movies with wildly different attitudes is damning evidence. The shot of a horde of Vogons huddling behind a picket fence is 1) a striking and memorable image that's part of the movie's high standard of cinematography and 2) funny. Yondu being surrounded by the forgettable villains looks bad in comparison. HGttG and GotG are rather similar movies, which makes for good comparison. They're both planet-hopping sci-fi comedies with an epic scale, and both are deeply mediocre. parallelodad posted:HHG2G is a Disney film, actually. Buena Vista specifically, but definitely Disney. I may be assuming things, but I don't think HGttG was subject to the same scrutiny and support by Disney as Marvel movies. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 20:34
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A funny thing is I remember fan and nerd buzz around HHG2G while the movie was being produced being very negative specifically because "Disney will ruin it". Different times.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:39
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quote:The shot of a horde of Vogons huddling behind a picket fence is 1) a striking and memorable image that's part of the movie's high standard of cinematography and 2) funny. Yondu being surrounded by the forgettable villains looks bad in comparison. I can honestly and truly say I do not remember a single thing about the film other than that it sucked.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:38
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Phylodox posted:I must have entirely missed that part in your literal mountain of words about a movie you claim to hate. Is there anything more goony than the"well that's just like your opinion man" defence?
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Apr 24, 2017 20:40
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sassassin posted:Is there anything more goony than the"well that's just like your opinion man" defence? The one that's the opposite of it
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Apr 24, 2017 20:41
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I thought GotG was pretty vapid and overhyped, but Lamps' unbelievable smugness is kinda making me like it. Is this...what it's like to love Trump? Haha and yeah, "Um pardon sir, but I believe I have objectively and with an overwhelming weight of evidence demonstrated beyond dispute that this children's CG film is inferior to this other CG film" is pretty goony.
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porfiria posted:I thought GotG was pretty vapid and overhyped, but Lamps' unbelievable smugness is kinda making me like it. Is this...what it's like to love Trump? Is he wrong though?
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