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CottonWolf posted:But Krauss and Natsuhi are their masters at that point, aren't they? Battler solved the epitaph. Krauss and Natsuhi were trying to argue about whether he got the headship or not, but I think the servants would be pretty clear on it. So he's the new boss. Also I am curious as to how gold truth isn't just red truth with a coat of paint. I guess we'll find out. It certainly seems like a supernatural source of evidence.
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Qrr posted:Battler solved the epitaph. Krauss and Natsuhi were trying to argue about whether he got the headship or not, but I think the servants would be pretty clear on it. So he's the new boss. Yeah, that's fair. I forgot that wrinkle.
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idonotlikepeas posted:
And for extra laughs, said demon butler is voiced by Daisuke Ono.
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Well, I was gone for a weekend, hope I didn't miss anythi-oh. oh. hey. So, that sure was a thing. Battler has now become a witch himself. Will you accept magic into your hearts now, I wonder? *glares at peas* No, probably not. Still, though, a new perspective promises new information in the world of mystery and magic. With that in mind, please look forward to our next Bonus TIP later this week: GAME MASTER BATTLER  Also, with the end of another Umi episode comes the next Umineko Motion Graphic. It's a pretty badass one, for a pretty badass episode. 
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Oops, somehow missed an entire page of posts, so I just wanted to say...CottonWolf posted:Shannon is the cliff baby. I think you're spot-on here wrt the weirdness of Kinzo's relationship to the cliff baby/Beatrice's child, and perhaps this is also the reason why the concept of "furniture" has such resonance for Shannon and Kanon. There is definitely something really weird and psychosexual about it; I could easily see how it (and the idea that furniture "cannot love" or be in a mutually fulfilling relationship) could be a coping mechanism against trauma. In addition, we have the disassociation, extremely shaky sense of trust (which I think manifests as the red/blue truth dichotomy), and suicidal ideation, which are typical symptoms of PTSD. Whether or not that trauma is directly because of abuse via Kinzo is still up in the air, I think, though maybe we could seek out specific clues that may have been PRESENTED in the text. The thing about trauma, I should add, is that it's a lot like being Peanut the turtle. The worst thing about it isn't the event itself, but the way in which your mind and body morph and contort around the trauma over time without you really noticing that it's happening. It becomes so normalized to you that you don't realize what it could be like to not be shaped by it. Except in horrific, painful moments when you're reminded that the wound is there and that it still has the power to completely eclipse any happiness you might have scrounged up in the meantime. Maybe that's why Battler's abandonment hit her so hard. In this game, Beatrice has literally been begging him, Please help me put words to my experience. Please see my pain.
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CottonWolf posted:Shannon is the cliff baby. I somehow missed this in the series of updates. This would make a lot of sense, and would solidify the why dunnit presented. Looking at the who dunnit, if it's one of those two that's the prime mover, I think it has to be Kanon. We see early on that he's willing to take action on Shannon's behalf when she just accepts it as part of being furniture. I'll also note that even if the caller is male, that doesn't mean cliff baby is.
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Well might as well add that the caller despite was we heard Natsuhi said it sounded young and childish and it may not have been a boy at all.
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you guys are wrong. this entire game is beato trying to get a new magical boyfriend since kinzo is rip. good taste, endless witch!!
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It's manga time! Episode 5 is illustrated by someone named Akitaka, who barely has any other credits to their name. The art's a bit rough in places, but it really comes together by the end of the Episode. Highlights follow! Natsuhi and Beatrice:  The Man from 19 Years Ago:  CHOPSTICKS:  Erika has a good personality:  How I'd react to ten tons of gold:  Krauss:  I read books:  Challenge Accepted:  Motherfuckin Dlanor:    Battler Flies:  Invitation to the Game Board:  Erika's deductions go well:  Endgame:  Erika's seals look kinda cool:  A spider on the window:  Kinzo is Dead:  Battler is Deader:  Battler comes to the truth:  He gets a sweet cape:  Dreamenddischarger intensifies:  Erika gets stabbed a bunch:  The Golden Truth:  Round Six:  Omake: 
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SystemLogoff posted:Gold truth feels like a reflection of the authors love for the reader. It's stronger when we can trust the author and weaker if we can't. I think this is it. Gold truths can only be spoken by the GM (i.e. author) and come from love/honour, so I'd assume that they must be truths that are necessary to be taken for granted in order for the mystery to be solved. Insofar as red truths are "pro-fantasy" - that is, truths that witches can say without backup to serve the Illusion of the Witch - and blue truths are "anti-fantasy" - attempts to disprove the Illusion that can only be countered with red truth, gold truths seem to be "pro-mystery": now that Battler's come to his senses and solved the mystery rather than trying to disprove witches, gold truth becomes an option for him.
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Fun fact: in the original magazine release of that particular chapter, Battler's Golden Truth is a two-page spread, full colour print in the middle of the usual black and white manga art. YenPress' release lacking it is literally the only quibble I have with their handling of the manga.
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Welp, guess you've got a new avatar, resurgam40.
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Aumanor posted:Welp, guess you've got a new avatar, resurgam40. What the hell are you talking abouOh... 
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Aumanor posted:Welp, guess you've got a new avatar, resurgam40. Whatever do you... Oh. Never going to live that one down, am I? 
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It's out of love, promise. (I'm not the one who gifted it but still.)
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Hahaha aww, that's cute! It's a good thing Battler's cape/necktie situation is more parseable than Kinzo's, or else I'd be really distracted and annoyed every time I see a resurgam post. If anyone is thinking of giving me an Umineko avatar... I don't care, just not George. ANYONE BUT GEORGE (but I guess that would be a nicely hosed up av/username combo)
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Tender Child Loins posted:Hahaha aww, that's cute! It's a good thing Battler's cape/necktie situation is more parseable than Kinzo's, or else I'd be really distracted and annoyed every time I see a resurgam post. Watch as you immediately get an original R07-art George AV.
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resurgam40 posted:Whatever do you... Oh. Us witches had been wondering for a while what text you should get to go with the cape, until you made that post. And then... we knew. Tender Child Loins posted:If anyone is thinking of giving me an Umineko avatar... I don't care, just not George. ANYONE BUT GEORGE (but I guess that would be a nicely hosed up av/username combo) We have an idea or two but either way it's still going to take a while before it's relevant
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Yeah, that's a genuinely good av, resurgam! Mittenhands cape-Battler is surprising well drawn.
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Tender Child Loins posted:
I'll be honest, that was never considered, but now that you mention it...
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resurgam40 posted:Whatever do you... Oh. It's quite amazing. You should have expected that when you made that post, though, tempting fate like that. The avatar itself is GLORIOUS.
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tiistai posted:We have an idea or two but either way it's still going to take a while before it's relevant Don't tell me there are more new characters coming down the pipe...
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Tender Child Loins posted:Don't tell me there are more new characters coming down the pipe... So far there's been new ones in every episode, right? Why break a good combo.
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tiistai posted:So far there's been new ones in every episode, right? Why break a good combo.  I knew this was coming.
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Let me guess, if Battler is indeed the one writing the stories from now on: Beatrice 1.0 finally maybe??; Sayo's true face; Goat-kun's little sister coming onto the gameboard to take her brother home; Astaroth, the demon of rational thinking, depicted as a smug pantsless meganekko; KYRIE Beatrice, the Witch of Sweet-rear end Mexican Standoffs; the kawaii personification of the concept of sadness
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Tender Child Loins posted:Don't tell me there are more new characters coming down the pipe... 
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bman in 2288 posted:Watch as you immediately get an original R07-art George AV. Ah, who could ever forget Fat George?  
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Tender Child Loins posted:the kawaii personification of the concept of sadness Sakutaro's been in the series since Episode 4, though.
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How many avatars does witch-chat have planned, what the heck?
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There are at minimum two more.CottonWolf posted:Yeah, that's a genuinely good av, resurgam! Mittenhands cape-Battler is surprising well drawn. You will never attain the rank of Witch until you UNDERSTAND that the mittenhands we're always well drawn, and, in fact, the superior version. Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Tender Child Loins posted:Don't tell me there are more new characters coming down the pipe... I mean, are you seriously surprised at this point? Tender Child Loins posted:Let me guess, if Battler is indeed the one writing the stories from now on: Beatrice 1.0 finally maybe??; Sayo's true face; Goat-kun's little sister coming onto the gameboard to take her brother home; Astaroth, the demon of rational thinking, depicted as a smug pantsless meganekko; KYRIE Beatrice, the Witch of Sweet-rear end Mexican Standoffs; the kawaii personification of the concept of sadness Honey, this is battler we're talking about. He'll put the entire female cast in tiny miniskirts and then still find a way to gently caress everything up. oath2order fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Rodyle posted:There are at minimum two more. Ah, but becoming a witch is the worst thing a detective can do. So if we wish to be detectives, we must spurn witchery and, therefore, mittenhands.
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Rodyle posted:You will never attain the rank of Witch until you UNDERSTAND that the mittenhands we're always well drawn, and, in fact, the superior version.
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lotus circle posted:I don't care what anyone says, I love Ryukishi's art. You can especially see how he improves over time going from EP 1 to EP 5 and onward. Are you sure because there's some real bad sprites later on.
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Neopie posted:Are you sure because there's some real bad sprites later on. Improvement as an artist isn't always linear. At the same time, Umineko EP1 is miles ahead of Higurashi, and Umineko EP5 is noticably improved over EP1. At their worst, Ryukishi Umineko sprites still hover somewhere around "laughably/memetically bad" like Fat George and some of the more hilarious witchfaces.
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I will always fondly remember the RGD demo, wherein there's finally the budget to commission nearly all the sprite work, but at the last minute one side character is drawn by R07 and she stick out like a giant loving neon sign
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A character had been introduced in each chapter so I hope you're ready for at least 3+ more
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Neopie posted:Are you sure because there's some real bad sprites later on.
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