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Leperflesh posted:Also this thread was created because the other GW threads were all hugboxes where dissenting opinions about GW were not tolerated. It's amazing to think that now the only thread where actual honest discussion about GW and its products was permitted is supposedly the hugbox. Actually this thread was created because the OP of the last thread pussied out and closed it.
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ijyt posted:if someone doesnt like a thing that you do, it doesnt necessarily mean they dont like you as well. hth the next time you get all weirdly obsessive about attacking a company you never intend to buy things from Wait... this is unironic posting??? 
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TKIY posted:Actually this thread was created because the OP of the last thread pussied out and closed it. Nah, last death thread was closed because of Rogue One spoilers. You might be thinking of the last incarnation of the AoS thread.
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ijyt posted:if someone doesnt like a thing that you do, it doesnt necessarily mean they dont like you as well. hth the next time you get all weirdly obsessive about attacking a company you never intend to buy things from i bought space hulk 3 back in november 2015 and spire of dawn a few months ago so i dunno what point youre trying to make. i suspect you dont either 
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For_Great_Justice posted:I've never understood getting defensive about brands etc. Not like they care. some people take criticism of things they like as personal criticism its really strange behavior but w/e
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TKIY posted:Actually this thread was created because the OP of the last thread pussied out and closed it.  I am nominating this for burn of the year
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I've been in the position of Liking The Bad Thing as far as the Goon Hivemind is concerned, so on the surface I have some sympathy for the GW fans. The difference, as far as I can tell, is that I can recognize that just because I enjoy parts of something doesn't mean there aren't other parts of it worthy of criticism. So, e.g., someone can say 'Man, D&D 3.5 needed some work to fix the caster supremacy' and I'll go 'Yup, it sure did' even though I have quite positive memories of 3.5 on the whole. I might even-- and this is really going to shock you-- refuse to buy into the new edition of D&D despite Wizards' best marketing tactics, because I recognize that there are objectively suboptimal things about the product that they ought to fix if they want my money. In fact all (well, most) of us have something that we've enjoyed at some point in the past about GW properties, whether it's skellingtons or homoerotic supermen, or else we wouldn't be here in the first place. There might be a few people who were never invested in anything GW at all and just came in here to laugh at the whales, but I'd think that's the exception rather than the rule.
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Here's the thing though, I've been reading GW threads on here since the original What Is Ultramarine one in GBS, and none of them have ever had a problem with people criticising GW or discussing it's games. The idea that this thread needed to exist as some sort of bastion of reason and persecuted objectivity is just revisionist bullshit from people who are being fundamentally dishonest about the downright spiteful manner in which they conveyed their criticisms, and why that caused them to be ill-received. People had to come to the Death Thread as a refuge because they could not cope with the idea that other people disagreed with them and enjoyed something they didn't. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 21:08
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There must always be a Death Thread, for if there was not one, man would create it. In the name of Kirby, Amen.
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TKIY posted:There must always be a Death Thread, for if there was not one, man would create it. 'Now I am become Death Thread, the destroyer of reasoned discourse.'
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:
Wrong. You dumb.
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Plenty of people from this very thread have said good things about GW. In fact, a bunch of people really liked the new steampunk dorfs. (I think they're pretty bad.) Basically everyone liked the new skellies, although I'm not convinced GW will sell them for a price I think is reasonable. Even SW:A has some big positives (mainly that it's an easier entry into 40k and gives people a reason to branch out into other armies), though folks were disappointed that the rules are basically just Necromunda - a 20 year-old ruleset - and that they didn't make new Clan Escher models. GW offering store credit for people who bought soon-to-be-obsolete books is decent of them, but they could have done better, e.g. by giving more notice that Codices would be obsolete or perhaps saying 6 months ago that anyone buying a Codex would get a coupon for the 8th ed version. It's not like they'd be selling a lot of 7th ed Codices after 8th drops, so they might as well try to offload as many of them as possible with a "sale". I'm probably one of the more-critical people when it comes to GW's models, but I'm totally willing to agree to disagree on that. I'm just not a fan of heroic proportions, and most of their range isn't what I'm looking for these days. (I like most of Dark Age's newer sculpts and a bunch of the CMoN board game figures. Infinity has some cool models but I'm not really into the anime aesthetic or the misogyny.) That said, GW plastics are generally easy to work with, and they're a whole hell of a lot nicer-looking than Mantic figures (but that's not saying much). While it's funny when GW fucks up epically (the joke rules for legacy armies in AoS probably take the cake for me), I'm genuinely glad that they seem to at least be making an attempt to treat their customers better. People have invested a lot into their products, and they should get a quality product in return. I'll forever remain mystified how people have stuck with GW continuously through the past decade or so, but I also get that people have different priorities and levels of tolerance for problems in their hobbies. I'll probably never buy GW stuff again (barring the occasional mini if they make something I really like), but that has less to do with them being a bad company and more to do with the fact that my tastes in tabletop games have changed a lot since I gave up on 40k.
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This is only the latest iteration of the death thread. The fourth, if I recall correctly. I closed the most recent one temporarily due to rogue one spoilers, but then a new one popped up so I just left it closed. The death thread - as a thing - was created because people who tried to post any sort of criticism in The Bad Thread got piled on. This thread and all of its previous incarnations are The Death Thread. e. Here's the begginning of this thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3603841 Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Frankly I'm just here to argue and make goons feel bad about themselves. Isn't that all anyone really wants?
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I for one like to make people feel good about themselves because I'm not a broken, miserable shell of a human being.
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I just want to know how the cat is doing.
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Avenging Dentist posted:I for one like to make people feel good about themselves because I'm not a broken, miserable shell of a human being. Look at where you are posting and reconsider that. We all float in reality balls down here.
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Ashcans posted:I just want to know how the cat is doing. The cat is concerned about the loss of vehicle facing.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Here's the thing though, I've been reading GW threads on here since the original What Is Ultramarine one in GBS, and none of them have ever had a problem with people criticising GW or discussing it's games. The idea that this thread needed to exist as some sort of bastion of reason and persecuted objectivity is just revisionist bullshit from people who are being fundamentally dishonest about the downright spiteful manner in which they conveyed their criticisms, and why that caused them to be ill-received. Lol Chill la Chill posted:Case in point, LP thinks I'm an ok person even though I like anime. I don't resent him for it and I'll post my anime stuff despite that, but I won't try and change his mind on the topic. I miss your old av but your new one is 
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I just treat the death thread as a chat thread. Actually, I kind of treat all threads like chat threads, if im being honest
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Unit profiles of the future. Big changes: Movement stat is back. WS is now a fixed 'to hit', so having a higher WS than your opponent no longer keeps you safer. Initiative is gone. Charging units go first. Combined with the WS changes, Dark Eldar weep bitter tears.
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:i bought space hulk 3 back in november 2015 and spire of dawn a few months ago so i dunno what point youre trying to make. i suspect you dont either Lovely Joe Stalin posted:That's a mirror.
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Clawtopsy posted:Unit profiles of the future. My biggest complaint about Age of Sigmar is the close combat order thing is poo poo. So, good job GW?
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Xarbala posted:I just treat the death thread as a chat thread. Same
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Clawtopsy posted:Unit profiles of the future. having a higher WS in 40k only mattered if your WS was more than double the opponent's, which almost never happened since at a minimum, it'd require you having WS 7 against the weak stuff and WS 9 against the majority of the game's units. I don't think the Dark Eldar have anything in that boat
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Interesting that they seem to have set 6" as the base movement. I sort of expected it to revert to 4" like before, but this will be better as everyone is used to a 6" base move. It also gives them more range downward, with the old movement it was hard to make something slower without almost crippling it. Canning vehicle stats is also interesting. I guess it will make comparison and balancing easier, as well as streamlining away from a separate process for them. I wonder if they'll get something like the monster stats in AOS, dropping as they take wounds.
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Ashcans posted:Interesting that they seem to have set 6" as the base movement. I sort of expected it to revert to 4" like before, but this will be better as everyone is used to a 6" base move. It also gives them more range downward, with the old movement it was hard to make something slower without almost crippling it. Yeah I like movement as a way to add another balance dimension to units. Could be a big boost for Tyranids, who lack transports. They said in their video on Monday that vehicles may lose stats/effectiveness as they take wounds.
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TheChirurgeon posted:
Monsterous creatures too.
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Leperfish post your Epic army tia
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just wanna come here and  about my templates, vehicle facings, and keeping track of "models with 12 wounds or more"
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Pierzak posted:Leperfish post your Epic army tia I purchased other people's used armies. So I have a lot. It's eldar. Most of it is badly painted by other people. Just imagine like 20k points of epic eldar sorted into plastic bins and you'll have a decent idea.
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I like the death thread because it reminds me how miserable my life would be without GW's premium products.
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TheChirurgeon posted:having a higher WS in 40k only mattered if your WS was more than double the opponent's, which almost never happened since at a minimum, it'd require you having WS 7 against the weak stuff and WS 9 against the majority of the game's units. I don't think the Dark Eldar have anything in that boat WS7 was the minimum for most their HQ options, with the potential to reach 9-10 with drugs on some.
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Yea, high movement was one of the ways that Tyranids (and originally, Eldar) got by without transports. When they switched they gave Fleet to a number of creatures, but it didn't really help for those that had had higher than base movement but didn't get access to the rule, which I think was a lot of their larger creatures? It also gives you a little more granularity to work with, and gives you some more dependability - it always sucked to Fleet and then get a lovely roll for your movement. Much better to just have a flat 7" mv or whatever. Yeast posted:Monsterous creatures too.
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Getting rid of AV for wounds seems cool and good. I wonder what Grav weapons are going to look like in the new edition.
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Clawtopsy posted:WS7 was the minimum for most their HQ options, with the potential to reach 9-10 with drugs on some. Ah, interesting. I forgot about the combat drug effects. On the plus side, those units may be able to hit on a 2+ now (instead of a 3+). The loss of initiative is a much bigger deal, I think. Interested to see how they get around that Clawtopsy posted:Getting rid of AV for wounds seems cool and good. I wonder what Grav weapons are going to look like in the new edition. Yeah I'm not wild about the prospect of tracking damage on models with 12+ wounds, but I like removing the distinction between vehicles and MCs. The biggest problem with vehicles in 40k is how easy it is to render them useless, either with a 1-shot kill or by stunning them multiple turns in a row. TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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TheChirurgeon posted:Yeah I like movement as a way to add another balance dimension to units. Could be a big boost for Tyranids, who lack transports. It makes a lot of sense if one of their design goals is the game playing faster. If it takes six turns to get to grips with the enemy, moving all those models makes the game drag a bit.
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Hixson posted:I like the death thread because it reminds me how miserable my life would be without GW's premium products. I wish I could live so free of pain. You're a bless soul.
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