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COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-a7694726.html

quote:

America is regressing to have the economic and political structure of a developing nation, an MIT economist has warned.

lol

quote:

Peter Temin says the world's’ largest economy has roads and bridges that look more like those in Thailand and Venezuela than those in parts of Europe.

lol

quote:

The economist describes a two-track economy with on the one hand 20 per cent of the population that is educated and enjoys good jobs and supportive social networks.

On the other hand, the remaining 80 per cent, he said, are part of the US’ low-wage sector, where the world of possibility has shrunk and people are burdened with debts and anxious about job security.

lol

quote:

Mr Temin used a model, which was created by Nobel Prize winner Arthur Lewis and designed to understand developing nations, to describe how far inequalities have progressed in the US.

lol

quote:

When applied to the US, Mr Temin said that “the Lewis model actually works”.

lol

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He found that much of the low-wage sector had little influence over public policy, the high-income sector was keeping wages down to provide cheap labour, social control was used to prevent subsistence workers from challenging existing policies and social mobility was low.

“We have a structure that predetermines winners and losers. We are not getting the benefits of all the people who could contribute to the growth of the economy, to advances in medicine or science which could improve the quality of life for everyone — including some of the rich people," he writes.

lol


:ussr:

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006
"we built a system where the greediest, most short-sighted dipshits are given carte blanche to do whatever the gently caress they want as long as it still makes money in the short term. within this system, I voted for the Greedier, Even More Short Sighted Dipshits Party to represent me"

"why are they loving me over in the name of making more money in the short term, please explain"

Nut to Butt
Apr 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Who the gently caress still believes in rational economic actors? Liberals are so bad at aping conservative opinions, I get second-hand embarrassed for them.

Familiarize yourself with public choice theory, so you can use the term "rent-seeking" correctly, as Moridin has finally managed to do.

Anyways, anyone have thoughts on this book (review)?

https://reason.com/archives/2017/04/22/the-decentralist

DeNomolos
Jan 10, 2013

mild mannered meatspin historian
guys i just love markets. boston markets, open markets, black markets, i just need as many markets as I can get. gotta love those markets, baby!!!!!

i also love giving lockhead and boeing a poo poo ton of money to steal research on SIPRnet from smaller engineering and research firms and still manage to not produce a single stealth fighter that works. gotta love that jet debt!!!!

solar energy panel
Apr 30, 2007

Toadvine posted:

You're in for a rough few pages if you're still that far behind, my friend

Wow you're not kidding! :vince:
I was in the woods away from politics and it was beautiful.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
IMO a lot about America's political culture, social problems and violent crime problem derives from it being a colonial country in the Western Hemisphere.

The United States is like if Brazil managed to expand more and get really big + wealthier.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y63784JvYA

Nut to Butt
Apr 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

IMO a lot about America's political culture, social problems and violent crime problem derives from it being a colonial country in the Western Hemisphere.

The United States is like if Brazil managed to expand more and get really big + wealthier.

That's a really good point, and I'm not just saying that because it's an argument I've made before.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

IMO a lot about America's political culture, social problems and violent crime problem derives from it being a colonial country in the Western Hemisphere.

The United States is like if Brazil managed to expand more and get really big + wealthier.

The Western hemisphere part is superfluous imo

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

World War Mammories posted:



I offer my sincere apology for skipping over details in a misguided effort to make Spunky Psycho Ho understand something.

alternatively, ^^^

You're the one failing to understand that the law didn't have enough time to adjust the market, it doesn't happen instantly numbnuts. They're not going to lose 140$ million year after year without changing something.

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot
In fact you're failing for capitalist propaganda "Oh, the laws won't fix anything. Guess illegal immigration is here to stay, ho hum"

Dairy Days
Dec 26, 2007

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

In fact you're failing for capitalist propaganda "Oh, the laws won't fix anything. Guess illegal immigration is here to stay, ho hum"

nice job falling for capitalist propaganda insinuating states or borders can exist in a meaningful way

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Free movement of capital.

Restricted movement of labor.




Viable.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Dairy Days posted:

nice job falling for capitalist propaganda insinuating states or borders can exist in a meaningful way

True, to be a real nationalist you must also be a socialist

Mnoba
Jun 24, 2010
boy the lumber tariffs with canada have really upset a lot of people, it's almost like expect the US to get hosed while at the same time we get laughed at due to our ranking in the world and then certain politicians campaign on that

what are the odds

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Mnoba posted:

boy the lumber tariffs with canada have really upset a lot of people, it's almost like expect the US to get hosed while at the same time we get laughed at due to our ranking in the world and then certain politicians campaign on that

what are the odds

idk the odds but iwhat are u gonna do build houses out of mexican wood? they just have cactuses probably takes a friggin thousand million cactuses to get enough needles to squish that into a plank of wood

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

bring back old gbs posted:

idk the odds but iwhat are u gonna do build houses out of mexican wood? they just have cactuses probably takes a friggin thousand million cactuses to get enough needles to squish that into a plank of wood

I think they have a lot of mesquite

Big BBQ doesn't want us to get it

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

True, to be a real nationalist you must also be a socialist

Remember when Moridin was arguing there needs to be a national union all workers belong to, and also he believed that scabs should be killed.

He's basically a hardcore nationalist lol

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Remember when Moridin was arguing there needs to be a national union all workers belong to, and also he believed that scabs should be killed.

He's basically a hardcore nationalist lol

He's actually a hardcore retard


He's glommed onto simplistic internet communism as crutch to justify his laziness

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

He's actually a hardcore retard


He's glommed onto simplistic internet communism as crutch to justify his laziness

Hm, I see what you're saying lmao

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
Hurr the current system is unfixable therefore I don't have to fix it. Capitalism bad! *masturbates then falls asleep*

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Remember when Moridin was arguing there needs to be a national union all workers belong to, and also he believed that scabs should be killed.

He's basically a hardcore nationalist lol

Are u moridins alt? Or sucking the dick of a banned user?

Bholder
Feb 26, 2013

This thread should get on with the times, Trump hates Canada now, so we might see that northern wall being built

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

Bholder posted:

This thread should get on with the times, Trump hates Canada now, so we might see that northern wall being built

Probably not, that would stop all the Mexicans and Guatemalans fleeing there.

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

In fact you're failing for capitalist propaganda "Oh, the laws won't fix anything. Guess illegal immigration is here to stay, ho hum"

But those gun laws work like a charm, let me tell you

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Bholder posted:

This thread should get on with the times, Trump hates Canada now, so we might see that northern wall being built

I can see the retarded designer sketches now

"Inspired by the northern lights as well as first nations symbology, Designer Thayden Goldstein imagines an eco-friendly wall that unites as it divides."

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

How has America been such an economic juggernaut when like every trade deal we have is so bad?

white_noise
Apr 26, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Ze Pollack posted:

goddamn capitalism, preventing capitalism from implementing proper capitalism

It's not real capitalism if the markets aren't free to exterminate all life

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Duck and Cover posted:

How has America been such an economic juggernaut when like every trade deal we have is so bad?

You get successful by first having extremely restricted markets to protect domestic industry. Then you get lazy and crooked and just sort of sell your country out


Ask any businessman how easy it is trying to export things to China

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

Duck and Cover posted:

How has America been such an economic juggernaut when like every trade deal we have is so bad?

Print money + have big military + petrodollar

white_noise
Apr 26, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Also the whole point of those trade deals is to extract as much value from both or all economies involved. It might be to ostensibly facilitate the economies but time and time again Wall Street reports record highs while the economies of the world falter and languish.

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Print money + have big military + petrodollar

But our military is weak Mr. Trump said so.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Duck and Cover posted:

But our military is weak Mr. Trump said so.

He said big, not strong. Two different things

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Hurr the current system is unfixable therefore I don't have to fix it. Capitalism bad! *masturbates then falls asleep*



Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

He said big, not strong. Two different things

He thinks we need more people? I really struggle to keep up with how wrong he can be about like everything it kind of muddles unimportant details.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Duck and Cover posted:

He thinks we need more people? I really struggle to keep up with how wrong he can be about like everything.

Big and strong are two different concepts how are you not grasping this

China's army, for example, is big but also fairly weak

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015


Tell us more about how communism totally works despite failing everywhere. I believe that's the stock response.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Kiryen posted:

Tell us more about how communism totally works despite failing everywhere. I believe that's the stock response.

How about "go actually do something instead of masturbating online and making excuses"

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

How about "go actually do something instead of masturbating online and making excuses"

Actual revolution doesn't allow posting selfies on facebook.

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COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Kiryen posted:

Tell us more about how communism totally works despite failing everywhere. I believe that's the stock response.

There are socialist parties in power or holding significant parliament seats in many stable prosperous countries around the world but I guess you only know what old US propaganda teaches you.

Good job!


OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

How about "go actually do something instead of masturbating online and making excuses"

Kiryen posted:

Actual revolution doesn't allow posting selfies on facebook.

Just because you sit at the computer all day doesn't mean everyone does.

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