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It's the Liberty. Looks like when they changed hte water pump they just didnt do the bottom hose up properly Well managed to get it back after putting the hose back on and a water refill. Initial diag is not good - still wanted to overheat, there's oil on the cam covers. There's no water in the oil tho and didnt blow any smoke. My guess is that the engine wasnt destroyed but it will need a overhaul. I'll try to drive it about the block and see what else it does, it's possible I just didnt bleed the water system properly refilling..... but yeah no I'm pretty sure the head gaskets at least will be done. Well.. poo poo. But at least from my first look doing an engine out wont be the worst task ever. Okay so I have to get a Forester working. Power steering thankfully only looks like a O-Ring and the fitting came loose.
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Welp water is getting into the engine so yep head gaskets at least are toast. gently caress. .... Wonder how much forged pistons cost? So getting out of my angry funk, time to do some WRX rebuild  Ahhhhh! Things are going back in!  MY99 crashbar, MY99 heater assembly  Cleaning out the back seat area ..... and oh yeah thats a Forester XT gearbox  I need a TD04 turbo and the 2.5 litre under the bench has one....... Hmmmmmmm. What if.......
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Apr 8, 2017 13:37
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Deck the heads and block surface, slap new gaskets in, go. Don't overcomplicate this.
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Apr 8, 2017 21:10
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Deck the heads and block surface, slap new gaskets in, go. Don't overcomplicate this. The 2.5 isnt for the Liberty  I have another idea for the Liberty.
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Apr 8, 2017 22:26
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If a mechanic who did the water pump swap didn't clamp the hose on properly, how in gods name is it your problem fixing the motor?
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Apr 9, 2017 00:01
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I found a vf14 in my car park at work. Oil/water lines, actuator, everything. Somewhere in punchbowl there is a very boring to drive wrx going around
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Apr 9, 2017 00:15
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Ferremit posted:If a mechanic who did the water pump swap didn't clamp the hose on properly, how in gods name is it your problem fixing the motor? Lets just say I had a bit of an unpleasant conversation with the dealer in question today. Liberty goes back next week to at find out what's blown Annnnyway.....   A few little bits and pieces being put on - swapped out the aftermarket boost controoler for OEM, put back in OEM fuel filter mount. Not shown - loving huge storm that stopped any more work stripping down half cut for brakelines.
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Apr 10, 2017 04:48
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An Holden Adventura sucks more fuel than a warboy
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Apr 14, 2017 04:28
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On a slightly different car .... The RX2 KB has has lot of very unique engineering and given much of it is rather old, the kludges to get it working was many. One of the big ones was the fuel injection, which just didnt exist in the aftermarket at the time. So one of the big problems was voltage drop when starting the car with the electricals just not able to cope with the demand of the ECU and injectors coming to life. The Kludge was in this case a 24v starter system that gave the car enough juice to fire up the EFI and the starter. Unfortunalty there is a sliiiight issue there. If the starter has any kind of issue, it kinda can be murdered very fast   That stuff is indeed pieces of whatever was in the starter itself   Magnet coming apart in this case and the destruction in sympathy of the rest of the armature. You should have seen the way the first ECU destroyed the engine twenty+ years ago... it tried to make the engine go backwards at 8000 rpm. And now you can get kits to EFI them easily, but at the time this was absolute cutting edge for a rotary.
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Apr 18, 2017 12:03
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 Oh shiney!  So I'm now up to putting the interior back in and I've hit two surprises - there are a few brackets ever so slightly different betweena 95 and a 99 WRX for hte crash bar and the dashboard. Siing up the brackets I need to remove  But in general it fits  Also fits. PWRC stuff....  The brake problems are probably fixed.  And STILL fit under 15" rims....! Altho KB might need to move to a 7" wide rim, cleareces are stupidly tight. Also interesting - the gravel rotor is the same diameter as a WRX one BUT it's twice as wide and half the weight. That huge caliper is really is a lot lighter than the stock WRX four pot and the rotor...? Yep, much lighter. Basically what the AP brake weigh in pounds is what the WRX stuff weighs in kilos. We believe we'll lose 20 kgs total. On the other hand KB lost a lot of weight in the wallet too. Now excuse us cause KB is getting married tomorrow. Garage is closed for now. edit - I'll leave you with the rear rotor size comparison... 
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Apr 21, 2017 13:41
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Well, at least they're way cheaper than the version that has "STI" written on it.
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Apr 21, 2017 17:56
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Are the Subaru/sumitomo 4 pot front and 2 pot rears basically the same as the Nissan/sumitomo items? Cos the s-chassis gets cast iron 4 pots while the z/r get aluminium and it's a huge weight saving. I managed to go to r33 setup all round and my front rotors are bigger (296 vs 280) and the setup weighs less. Balances out on the rear because the drum assembly for the handbrake gets added.
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Apr 23, 2017 02:11
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 Wedding cars 
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Apr 23, 2017 11:11
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Know any wa goons? Just posted this on ausrotary but that forum is pretty dead. http://www.ausrotary.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=249628&p=2814573#p2814573 quote:For sale: rx808 sedan bare shell, plus complete 929 4cyl coupe I need to be like 14" and loving move on from any aspirations of being normal. E: the rims on that rx2 annoy me, I used to have them for my rx3 but lost them somehow along with all the proper seats, brake and sus upgrade parts and diffs for both cars. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Apr 23, 2017 12:59
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Laserface posted:Are the Subaru/sumitomo 4 pot front and 2 pot rears basically the same as the Nissan/sumitomo items? There's two (Three?) versions of the WRX four pots. The red ones are light alloy homologated versions - you also have the grey cast ones and I think there is another version. It's more that the AP Racing calipers are made from unobtainium or something cause they are just ridiulously light. The stock cast disks are also very distintly heavier than the AP rotors but that's expected, two piece rotors are always lighter. Maybe not by this much tho. Fo3 posted:Know any wa goons? Got pics? That will help. Also how you looking for, most shells ready for a build are stupid expensive so for the right price these should go fast
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Apr 23, 2017 23:34
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Yeah, getting pics will be hard as they're buried in the back of the garange and under things. The admin there has already asked me for them. I have no idea what they're worth as parts. Last I checked, if I had 10k to spend on them the 808 would be worth 30k and the 929 ~20k, so I'm not giving them away but how much I should ask for as parts I have no idea. Just need enough to buy a decent runabout car and a bed, with some cash left over to insure/run the car for a couple of years
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Apr 24, 2017 05:04
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https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-4695576 Cant say I'm not tempted. I have wanted a genuine STI for a while. But seriously...... havent I got enough loving Subarus?
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Apr 26, 2017 11:56
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That model Sti is responsible for the scariest car ride I've ever been on and it lasted less than a minute. With a man child at the wheel and a dodgy intersection at the bottom of the hill why wouldn't you wring it for all its worth with launch control. I'm still glad no-one came through at the same time cause the dog leg at the bottom of the street often had people fail to stop and look before they leaped
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Apr 26, 2017 12:40
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:But seriously...... havent I got enough loving Subarus? How many times in the past have you asked this and still ended up with another one?
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Apr 26, 2017 13:36
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:But seriously...... havent I got enough loving Subarus? That's like asking if I have enough rotary poo poo yet.
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Apr 26, 2017 13:57
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iospace posted:How many times in the past have you asked this and still ended up with another one? Too many. I say this'll be the last and a few days / weeks / months later I have another one...... Altho I have been pretty good since I got the Liberty.
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Apr 27, 2017 01:25
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Too many. I say this'll be the last and a few days / weeks / months later I have another one...... The thing with that model is that its just the old STi in a new chassis. Which I understand is probably a better chassis, but the power train is all the same. Personally if I was shopping STIs I would be waiting til the FA20DIT is tuned up to STI spec rather than buying into the EJ25 and all its flaws.
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Apr 27, 2017 02:02
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Laserface posted:The thing with that model is that its just the old STi in a new chassis. Which I understand is probably a better chassis, but the power train is all the same. +1
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Laserface posted:The thing with that model is that its just the old STi in a new chassis. Which I understand is probably a better chassis, but the power train is all the same. The FA20 has got bigger flaws (The coking issues are an eyeopener) and the so called flaws of the EJ25 are mostly delusions of NASIOC idiots or dickhead Subaru America tuning decisions. The actual truth is that it's actually fairly good and we just dont have the BS tuning issues here esp with RON98. I would be much more inclined to go with a EJ25 over a FA20 anyday. Also would be more inclined to go with a slightly not new one as Subaru are clearly intent on removing more mechanical engineering from their cars.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The FA20 has got bigger flaws (The coking issues are an eyeopener) and the so called flaws of the EJ25 are mostly delusions of NASIOC idiots or dickhead Subaru America tuning decisions. The actual truth is that it's actually fairly good and we just dont have the BS tuning issues here esp with RON98. I would be much more inclined to go with a EJ25 over a FA20 anyday. Also would be more inclined to go with a slightly not new one as Subaru are clearly intent on removing more mechanical engineering from their cars. Mate I have been looking at buying a subie on and off for a few months now and 90% of the EJ25 models between 2008 and 2014 have rebuilt motors or warranty motors. This is in Australia.
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Laserface posted:Mate I have been looking at buying a subie on and off for a few months now and 90% of the EJ25 models between 2008 and 2014 have rebuilt motors or warranty motors. This is in Australia. Where on earth are you looking? I havent seen anything like that.
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Apr 27, 2017 03:07
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Where on earth are you looking? I havent seen anything like that. Carsales, specifically STI hatches. anything EJ25 seems to be absolute cancer.
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Apr 27, 2017 04:30
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Laserface posted:Carsales, specifically STI hatches. Under the bench - EJ25 with 250,000 kms, only removed from it's home as the car was T-Boned by a ol lady in a Corolla MY07 WRX, nil issues (modified) MY11 Forester - Nil issues Other spares motor - 300,000kms, nil issues til car wrapped around tree. The only EJ25 issue I've had was the MY06 that broke the oil pickup. Known weakness but once you are at full pace on gravel / track and gleefully hopping curbs you kinda are asking for poo poo to break prematurely. Replacement has been nil issues. The real problem will be is that either the cars have been whaled on / tracked or you dig deeper and find they have been modded / reflashed - altho the car club I'm in is full of STI's that have been hammered / modded and they arent blowing up. So I am much more inclined to believe that the EJ25 is perfectly fine rather than a fundamental fault. Unlike the FA20 that has the DI issues with carbonation. I'm loath to say the "plastic" rods issue on the FA20 is a OEM problem as it's clear that's only an issue if you want to pump more boost. When you race / mod a car, all bets and talk about reliability are off. But think about this - Subaru havent made any public hints about a new motor for the STI, despite the FA becoming widely used on it's range. That's kinda a good hint they are having problems with it as a STI replacement. As an aside, also why the CVT is a cancer for a Levorg / WRX, they just don't take much to blow up and cost you a whole poo poo load of money. So yeah, not bothered by the EJ25 if I did get a STI. Kiiiiinda leery about the FA series at present tho.
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Part of me does keep thinking of putting an FT86 top (side?) end and manifold on a built WRX short block though. Extra injectors in the intake manifold should help with carbon, and then you'll have ports that work and poo poo.
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mekilljoydammit posted:Part of me does keep thinking of putting an FT86 top (side?) end and manifold on a built WRX short block though. Extra injectors in the intake manifold should help with carbon, and then you'll have ports that work and poo poo. I believe someone is working on port injectors for a FA20 without swapping the intake (As I understand it, DI is poo poo for high revs and huge hp) and as well the FT86 heads flow a fuckton better than the WRX ones. TBH anyway the FT86 engine would be a better starting point just due to the higher compression (can you say turbo response?) but do a rod replacement first.
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Apr 28, 2017 01:46
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Well yeah, I meant in a parts mixing and matching sense - I don't think the full FT86 engine will bolt to the Subaru transaxles. And DI itself is fine for high revs - evidence the Ferrari 458, and a lot of other racing crap including F1 nowadays - but there seem to be flow limitations in the available injectors, yeah.
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Huh. Interesting. The WRX STi NR4 motorsport version is an EJ20.quote:I don't think the full FT86 engine will bolt to the Subaru transaxles. I don't see why not. The issue with a AWD transaxle in the FT86 is the motor is a long way back and the front axles will foul on the motor. Otherwise the FA20 just has the usual bolting arrangement that Subaru have had for years. CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Apr 28, 2017 01:59
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Probably just the same sort of situation as EFI in the 80s, where even stuff as well funded as Honda's turbo V6 needed to run two injectors per cylinder just because they couldn't get bigger ones. Sooner or later, availability of bigger DI jobbies will come along. Or, well, just throw port injection at it, whatever. CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Otherwise the FA20 just has the usual bolting arrangement that Subaru have had for years. Enh, I'd never been able to confirm that for sure without laying down money. But OK, even easier. mekilljoydammit fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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mekilljoydammit posted:Well yeah, I meant in a parts mixing and matching sense - I don't think the full FT86 engine will bolt to the Subaru transaxles. Starter is on the other side, though.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:A bunch of guys have done EJ swaps, and I think I heard that the EJ bellhousing isn't that much different from the FA/FB. Having a read of someone doing a BRZ track day bro car and he's juuuuust discussing this. Also interesting he is also talking about oil starvation issues in h-gee situations the FA/FB apparently suffers from that require at least dry sumping and a bunch of other work as to what motor he'll put into it compared to the EJ series. That's a new one to me. Edit : Actually I'll go read the whole thread as there's a bunch of poo poo I didnt know on the FA verses the EJ.
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That does it, boxers suck, screw the idea of a 207 into my WRX, I'm chucking the peripheral port 13B in! OK, I joke about that, but I was thinking about that for my rustbucket GC at one point.
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mekilljoydammit posted:That does it, boxers suck, screw the idea of a 207 into my WRX, I'm chucking the peripheral port 13B in! You might joke but it's been done and it's hellish fast. Oh and a 20B isnt a huge issue to attach to a STI driveline too. Now just having a BRZ time attack car read...... quote:I think I heard that the EJ bellhousing isn't that much different from the FA/FB. Confirmed. So the FA motor is 300 mm too far back to even think about AWD and can not be push forward far enough easily (even a AWD in the sump is next to impossible). You can on the other had go back another 100mm for a RWD time attack. The engine pick is a EJ20 which needs a motor mount change to suit the far back location and the turbo cannot fit anywhere else other than in front of the engine. Why EJ20 than the newer motors? Well..... yeah plastic rods limit you to about 400MN full stop, ease of intergration and tuning with availible ECU's top end power is indeed still limited by the DI injectors availible and just wont flow anywhere near what is required for E85, the older EJ20 semi closed deck is stronger (noted tho the NA engine is actually better in this regard than open deck EJ's) and there is indeed some quite knarley oil surge issues that arent a simple fix that the EJ doesnt have. Also head flow issues and better intake runners. So anyway his opinion is that the FA/FB series motors are just too much work and money to even match a light build EJ25 and the EJ20 is a no argument better again. Also he's working on a budget so the EJ20 wins there again. He's saying the FA series is fixable and would in the end possibly end up better than the EJ20 (wether it would or not he doesn't know) but not for the budget he has, it would blow it out badly. Thinking about engines, I'll have a EJ30 sitting around from this week. I'll be interested to tear it down and..... maybe a project in the future?
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 A typical Subaru with typical dead engine due to head gaskets in the back (New one already in, the orginal is now ready to do....... I dont know. I have a spare EJ30?)
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:
EZ30? Isn't the EJ30 some special unicorn poo poo 3L flat 4?
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Eh. Yeah that would be it. There's some sort of H6 there that I now have spare for..... something?
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