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FCKGW
May 21, 2006

coupbrick posted:

No it's not stop moving here gently caress

Buddy, the entire IE is still one of the fastest growing areas of the nation and it ain't changing any time soon.

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withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

punk rebel ecks posted:


Is there anything to say about North California or Central California?

Northern California is terrible and crowded and you should definitely not move here because you will hate it.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

FCKGW posted:

Buddy, the entire IE is still one of the fastest growing areas of the nation and it ain't changing any time soon.

And the only freeway is the 91. gently caress.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

coupbrick posted:

No it's not stop moving here gently caress

It is, but it is surrounded by the IE.

Sacramento is actually pretty nice but is starting to get pricey (by non-CA standards).

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
If you have to be close to the beach and typical city amenities but don't need to live next to a major metropolis you might want to check out Ventura County. It'll still be pricey, but not LA pricey.

Speedboat Jones
Dec 28, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
In the last 3 years I've moved out of my parents place in Camarillo (because a first year teacher can't afford to live on his own in Ventura County all that easily), to Santa Clarita where I managed renting a $2050/mo 2bd/2ba apartment with my wife for about a year and half, and now finally we ended up buying a house in Lancaster. Antelope Valley is fast becoming "that place in LA County you have to move to when you can't afford LA anymore." It's not that bad, but I do miss the beach in VC and the super-quick access to LA in Santa Clarita.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Speedboat Jones posted:

now finally we ended up buying a house in Lancaster. Antelope Valley is fast becoming "that place in LA County you have to move to when you can't afford LA anymore." It's not that bad, but I do miss the beach in VC and the super-quick access to LA in Santa Clarita.
Yeah, Lancaster/Palmdale are basically the "We can afford a home here" destinations for anyone crazy enough to attempt to buy a home in LA county. You pay out the ears for it in commute, but your nice sized home/plot of land is way better than the 2/1.5 you "might* be able to afford in the LA metro area.

Speedboat Jones
Dec 28, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

FilthyImp posted:

Yeah, Lancaster/Palmdale are basically the "We can afford a home here" destinations for anyone crazy enough to attempt to buy a home in LA county. You pay out the ears for it in commute, but your nice sized home/plot of land is way better than the 2/1.5 you "might* be able to afford in the LA metro area.

It definitely wouldn't have been my choice to move here, but I teach in Palmdale, so it works out. The commute for me is great, but my wife is commuting to Santa Clarita.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
If I left for Ventura County I'd hit myself over the head. Back when I was about to leave college I got a job interview their for a probation officer. However, I needed to physically be there, so I couldn't go.

Also, so far California sounds like a state where everything is distant unless you live in the heart of the metro.

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


That "locate a job before you move" thing is entirely correct. Back in the day, people would come to California from Texas or New York or whatever looking to make it big, and they'd end up waiting tables. Now all the waiter jobs are taken, so people who come out here without something already lined up nowadays frequently end up homeless. SoCal's probably one of the least-bad places outside of Hawaii to be homeless, though. Nice weather, sorta-ok social services, etc.

KoB
May 1, 2009

punk rebel ecks posted:

Also, so far California sounds like a state where everything is distant unless you live in the heart of the metro.

California is very large.

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug
Sac is really hot in the summer so there is that.

Also the RE here is super high for the wage rates because of rear end in a top hat Bay Area exiles (like me) that telecomute/travel. The other half of the economy here that isn't gubmint is Real Estate (loans/servicing/title/appraiser/home improvement/etc) so when RE blows it's cratering this place again. You also might get a job at Intel if you are 24 and will work for $38k that's all they are hiring now. Basically, don't come here if you are counting on any tech work.

Maybe someday they'll upgrade Amtrak past 1885 standards so you can get to Oakland in under 2 hrs. The thing is also so crowded now that you have to fight people for seats like you are back on Bart/Caltrain. :smith:

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Keyser S0ze posted:

Sac is really hot in the summer so there is that.
I dunno, I lived in Davis (and shorter so, Sac) for several years and it wasn't that bad but I also grew up a little north of Santa Rosa which also gets hot so maybe it didn't bother me. I'd say there's only a handful of days in Aug/Sept where its "really hot" but in general it was somewhat mild-hot and cools off relatively quick. I think most peoples experience is being stuck on I-80 in summer heading up to Tahoe and baking away in their cars and traffic in which case yeah that sucks.

The biggest problem is Midtown owns but it's no longer really a secret so it's pretty expensive like you said.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Xaris posted:

I dunno, I lived in Davis (and shorter so, Sac) for several years and it wasn't that bad but I also grew up a little north of Santa Rosa which also gets hot so maybe it didn't bother me. I'd say there's only a handful of days in Aug/Sept where its "really hot" but in general it was somewhat mild-hot and cools off relatively quick. I think most peoples experience is being stuck on I-80 in summer heading up to Tahoe and baking away in their cars and traffic in which case yeah that sucks.

The biggest problem is Midtown owns but it's no longer really a secret so it's pretty expensive like you said.

Sacramento's "pretty expensive" is still a notch or three below the expensiveness of SF bay area or LA area.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
title stolen for lf posting

RandomPauI posted:

If you have to be close to the beach and typical city amenities but don't need to live next to a major metropolis you might want to check out Ventura County. It'll still be pricey, but not LA pricey.

http://www.vcstar.com/story/opinion/columnists/2016/12/31/carl-morehouse-no-change-means-traffic-nightmare/96019618/

quote:

For example, since the recession we have built fewer than 1,000 homes. More than 85 percent of the jobs added pay less than $20 per hour. You can’t live in Ventura County comfortably on that salary. So we now have 40,000 commuters driving into our county every workday. They are people who work in hospitals, teach in schools, sell cars at our auto malls. Those jobs do not pay enough to live here because the housing supply is so low and the cost is so high.

The flip side is that because salaries are low here, many of our residents need to commute to jobs that pay enough to allow them to live in the county. There are 80,000 commuters leaving the county every work day for jobs in Santa Barbara, Los Angeles or Orange counties.

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016





driving from ventura to orange county daily has got to be an unenviable commute

Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe

this one is extremely fake but yeah traffic in LA is insane

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

punk rebel ecks posted:

Also, so far California sounds like a state where everything is distant unless you live in the heart of the metro.

Nah, its distant if you live there too.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
SB is a 45 minute drive from where I live. That's not ideal but it's also not commuting to Santa Monica or Anaheim. Oddly enough, Thousand Oaks is in the same county and takes me 40 minutes to get to.

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug

Xaris posted:

I dunno, I lived in Davis (and shorter so, Sac) for several years and it wasn't that bad but I also grew up a little north of Santa Rosa which also gets hot so maybe it didn't bother me. I'd say there's only a handful of days in Aug/Sept where its "really hot" but in general it was somewhat mild-hot and cools off relatively quick. I think most peoples experience is being stuck on I-80 in summer heading up to Tahoe and baking away in their cars and traffic in which case yeah that sucks.

The biggest problem is Midtown owns but it's no longer really a secret so it's pretty expensive like you said.

It's hot as hell and dust/allergies are awful and summer A/C season runs from May to late October. Of course it's a dry heat so nothing like Texas or the SEC in August or anything but it's still pretty gross. It is much better than places south like Fresno/Bak since there is a "delta breeze" that will blow dust/allergens into your house along with refreshing 78 degree air at night if you open the windows.

I'm only here since 2010 because it's cheap, I like to golf, I'm pushing 50 loving years old (Get off my lawn) and I can telecommute/travel for my Bay Area job (for now). :smith:

In hindsight I should have stayed in the Bay Area and should have just bought a place during the low point of 2010 but it's way to late to move back now.

Flora Finching
Sep 10, 2009

el dorito posted:

driving from ventura to orange county daily has got to be an unenviable commute

I'd trade in my car for a loving boat and sail there. Is that a thing?

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Bok Bok posted:

I'd trade in my car for a loving boat and sail there. Is that a thing?

It should be, that sounds great.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
A break from traffic-chat to note that a guy running for LA City Council district 1 managed to pick a worse place than Reddit to frequent.

Remember when all the pedos were kicked out of 4chan and went on to build their own cesspool? Yeahhhhh.

//I just realized the old goon mantra of "I can't ever get into public office because the headline will read 'City Attorney posted on web form: gently caress You and Die'" is coming true.

FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Apr 27, 2017

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Why do public officials feel the need to comment on communities called "niggertown" using screen names with their real names in them?

Why are they all this stupid?

Gnossiennes
Jan 7, 2013


Loving chairs more every day!

Xaris posted:

I dunno, I lived in Davis (and shorter so, Sac) for several years and it wasn't that bad but I also grew up a little north of Santa Rosa which also gets hot so maybe it didn't bother me. I'd say there's only a handful of days in Aug/Sept where its "really hot" but in general it was somewhat mild-hot and cools off relatively quick. I think most peoples experience is being stuck on I-80 in summer heading up to Tahoe and baking away in their cars and traffic in which case yeah that sucks.

The biggest problem is Midtown owns but it's no longer really a secret so it's pretty expensive like you said.

Xaris, I just wanna say -- you helped me with some info about SR back when I moved here, and I absolutely love Sonoma county & SR. I don't wanna live anywhere else.

It helps that I'm older (lol old in my late 20s) & married, so it's not boring for me like a lot of my younger and singler coworkers, but I'm happy with the things to do. And I love the people! As someone who never ever felt like I fit in living in the south, it's so nice to be somewhere where people are cool and accepting, and not just in a surface way.

So hey, thanks for the info and for being a cool Sonoma county person :)

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Nvm

punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Apr 27, 2017

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

FCKGW posted:

Why do public officials feel the need to comment on communities called "niggertown" using screen names with their real names in them?

Why are they all this stupid?

probably they're not, we just only hear about the 1% that are that stupid and in reality like 90% of politicians are posting on fetlife and upvoting furry porn on deviantart

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Gnossiennes posted:

Xaris, I just wanna say -- you helped me with some info about SR back when I moved here, and I absolutely love Sonoma county & SR. I don't wanna live anywhere else.

It helps that I'm older (lol old in my late 20s) & married, so it's not boring for me like a lot of my younger and singler coworkers, but I'm happy with the things to do. And I love the people! As someone who never ever felt like I fit in living in the south, it's so nice to be somewhere where people are cool and accepting, and not just in a surface way.

So hey, thanks for the info and for being a cool Sonoma county person :)
Oh hey, glad you're enjoying it! Yeah there really are a lot of things to do and it is a pretty good chill area, I don't think I appreciated it much in my teens/JC days, but now that I'm living down in the East Bay I'm always kind of missing it whenever I go back up to visit my parents in Windsor. Maybe it's just a grass-is-always-greener thing.

Also gives me a good excuse to also go out river road->116 to Bodega and such. Been way too long so I need to do that again, and probably plan another kayakking trip on the russian river now that weather is getting nicer.

If we had actual competent transit options to SF, I would move back up to Petaluma (or maybe East SR) in a heartbeat as well but lol that's never happening in our lifetime.

Xaris fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Apr 28, 2017

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


Leperflesh posted:

You might investigate like Santa Rosa area - that's north of what anyone really considers the Bay Area

Closer to the bay area you might consider Vallejo or Vacaville.

Sorry to nitpick your otherwise great post, but those are all solidly within the Bay Area (Ok, Vacaville is like right on the edge..but it's in Solano county). Though I guess there are probably some :bahgawd: types in outer fringes of the Bay Area that are adamant that they're 100% separate and have nothing do with the dirty urban lieberal metropolis.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Yeah that's fair. I tend to define the bay area as "places within a commute distance of SF, the peninsula, San Jose, or Oakland" which... yeah, if you're going from Santa Rosa to SF or Oak daily, I feel really really bad for you.

But if you just go by the nine counties, then yup. Solano county stretches quite far north and if you stand in Vacaville you're closer to Sacramento than you are to San Francisco, but you can call that bay area if you want to and you can be technically correct, the best kind of correct.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
So I spoke with my grandma's nurse who has family all across California. She says housing is expensive no matter were you are at.

KoB
May 1, 2009

punk rebel ecks posted:

So I spoke with my grandma's nurse who has family all across California. She says housing is expensive no matter were you are at.

yeah it just ranges from expensive to hosed.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

KoB posted:

yeah it just ranges from expensive to hosed.

She said a family member spent $1,000,000 on a townhouse...in Anaheim...

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016





that's pretty high! I wonder where in anaheim it was

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016





It has to be said that home prices (especially in desirable areas) are inexplicably high right now.

There's been (and still is and will be) a bunch of new apartment construction going on. When inventory supply exceeds demand, the prices might get more reasonable. But I wouldn't try to time it.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

punk rebel ecks posted:

So I spoke with my grandma's nurse who has family all across California. She says housing is expensive no matter were you are at.

You can get a pretty cheap house in like Modesto.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Is one of the reasons why housing prices are so high due to the lack of property tax?

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

punk rebel ecks posted:

She said a family member spent $1,000,000 on a townhouse...in Anaheim...

I'm looking on Zillow and there's isn't a single Townhome in Anaheim over $600k so that's impossible. There's aren't even any houses for that much.

Now if she meant Anaheim Hills/Yorba Linda, that could get pricey.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Xaris posted:

If we had actual competent transit options to SF, I would move back up to Petaluma (or maybe East SR) in a heartbeat as well but lol that's never happening in our lifetime.

Petaluma to downtown SF on Golden Gate Transit isn't THAT bad of a commute.

For people considering Sacramento, yeah it gets hot. But there are beaches ! They're just on rivers.

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FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is one of the reasons why housing prices are so high due to the lack of property tax?

Yes. One of the reasons. Also lack of new housing. Zoning laws to enforce it. NIMBYs. Foreign investors. REITS.

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