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Lack of Gravitas posted:I just wanted a game where I could use my modified pirate spaceship to nudge an asteroid onto a near-planet trajectory, before stopping the ship and EVAing onto the asteroid with a few extra oxygen tanks, then riding the asteroid into the planets vicinity without being identified by automated ship defence satellites, before jumping off the asteroid and dropping to the planet surface with a special forces HALO insertion while being concealed from ground-based sensors by the breaking-up asteroid, landing near an isolated RSI reseach & development lab, skinning a nearby animal to use its butchered remains as a disguise to get into the base, then stealthily neutralising the guards and technicians as I steal the latest designs for the concept jpg's, before escaping via the labyrinthine network of sandworm tunnels beneath the planet surface, surfacing near a starport where I can hack a freight terminal and hide in a box, having myself delivered to the pirate starbase I call home, before finally delivering the stolen plans to a local crimelord in a seedy stripclub, earning myself a nice fat bounty and an enjoyable nights entertainment from a few of the stripclubs dancers, all done seamlessly and without any loading screens. But, but, but look the the guy MOPPING! Isn't that more amazing, the mop ACTUALLY touches the FLOOR! Surprised there isn't a TED talk on the mopping.
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The Titanic posted:CIG wants to have everything and basically be The Matrix in space. The good thing is that they DO have one scene from The Matrix! As much as I generally love your posts, I am going to have to agree to disagree on the characterization of SC as SPAAAAAACE Matrix. I have yet to see any latex overcoats in Casaba Outlet (I feel dirty remembering that FWIW). Also, no women. Or kung fu. I do agree with your choice of quotes though.
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The Titanic posted:Good breakdown, friend. I'm going to have to say that I think the term "marketing" in relation to what CIG have been doing is being way more generous than they deserve. The people still putting the money in mostly do it out of some stupid poo poo they put in their own heads, and this fanbase only ever seems to rally during the times when CIG actually releases something for them to dick around in. Sandi just puts poo poo up on her personal twitter feed to make it look like everyone's making progress, their most prolific releasing of information is in German gaming magazines, their presentations are increasingly becoming powerpoint presentations, they no-show streams and events, no one really watches their Youtube stuff because these days it's just them showing off their cafeteria again, their streamers are miserable, and the only positive news is entirely fabricated stuff being shat out on websites that couldn't look any more dubious if they tried. They keep telling people to make content for them but then that sort of just disappears into the cloud of general disinterest and no one really talks about it. All they've done and ever done is just ride the hype and news that came with being the ultimate over-funded dream. All their marketing is basically pointed inwards at the people who least need to be sold the bullshit to. I mean poo poo, even the German magazine stuff is still just preaching to your fanbase, they only give that information to them because they already have an allegedly devoted fanbase there. The one time they've actually tried something closely resembling marketing reaching outwards in the form of their referral system and it's such an obvious cash-grab their own backers can't stand it. So much navel gazing and relying on word of mouth from hyped people (the number of whom are dwindling), and increasingly fanatical members are spending their days constructing anti-criticism forts that they sally forth from to fight the stupidest war against a rival game's forum daring to have a thread that criticizes their unreleased game. I suppose there's no better term than "marketing" but it just feels like no effort was put towards selling the game to anyone who wasn't already invested. mintskoal posted:loving lol using JFK's speech about going to the god drat moon in comparison to a video game filled with T posed autists. Well if we go by Apollos I guess 11.0 is going to be when Star Citizen finally comes out.
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mintskoal posted:loving lol using JFK's speech about going to the god drat moon in comparison to a video game filled with T posed autists. When that day happens, we can bust out the FDR quote "a day that will live in infamy."
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Comparing SC to the Apollo mission would be pathetic even if SC were finished as imagined. Going to the moon, in the 60s/70s, is so amazing that some people refuse to believe it actually happened. Most people wouldn't care if every promise CR made gets fulfilled and no one outside the most hardcore citizens would remember in 25 years. Amusingly, more people will remember his failure for longer than would remember his success.
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TheLastRoboKy posted:Well if we go by Apollos I guess 11.0 is going to be when Star Citizen finally comes out.
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https://twitter.com/real_lethality/status/857730866239467521 https://twitter.com/real_lethality/status/858110034441641986 https://twitter.com/real_lethality/status/858113051727462401
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SelenicMartian posted:It's never been done before so it's Apollo 1 so far. That's gonna be awkward when it accidentally kills some people.
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The Titanic posted:CIG wants to have everything and basically be The Matrix in space. The good thing is that they DO have one scene from The Matrix! The Matrix in space already exists in the much better, actual game Saints Row 4. SR4 also features another one of CIG's staples: T-posing commandos: 
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Star Citizen: Ich Bin Ein Frankfurter [...] Ben Essen Ein Frankfurter [...] CiG HEIL! [...] We chose to go to the moon, not because it was easy, but because the planets weren't ready! [...] Mr.Battlecruiser Space Race 2000: Germany vs Serbia
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Colostomy Bag posted:Man, they've really hitched their wagons to the June 30th date. Actually no. They've - again - hitched it to the "3.0 Jesus Patch". They did the same thing back in Aug 2016 when Croberts said it was coming on|before Dec 19th. It's just a date. They really don't care much about that. All they care about is that 3.0 comes.
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D_Smart posted:Actually no. They've - again - hitched it to the "3.0 Jesus Patch". They did the same thing back in Aug 2016 when Croberts said it was coming on|before Dec 19th. I think they need to care more about what happens 'after' June 30th/3.0 patch, they've clearly not given any thought as to what to do if 3.0 is just another bug fix with bells on. These people are the same people that were saying "Just wait until the 2.0 patch drops goonies, you'll change your tune then!!" Look at how that turned out, after 2.0 (the last jesus patch) CIG still archering, patches are still crap, game is still nonexistant, the next jesus patch will still show us all again, Crobblers is still running his mouth while pocketting whale money by the ton, Sandi is still a harpy, Ben is still fat, Reddit still pissing their panties about you (DS), and still the years roll by emptily. 
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Samizdata posted:As much as I generally love your posts, I am going to have to agree to disagree on the characterization of SC as SPAAAAAACE Matrix. I have yet to see any latex overcoats in Casaba Outlet (I feel dirty remembering that FWIW). The Matrix series is a really good analogy for SC. Both come from a relatively good idea, both were stretched out into incoherent gibbering by idiots, both have an inexplicable fanbase insisting they're the best thing ever. Main difference is The Matrix series got completed, but few analogies are perfect.
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DapperDon posted:You betcha! These are some seriously basic bitches. How dare you.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:King of a late reply, but. Loiosh is willing to pay any amount of money to obtain his gaming nirvana: managing a space passenger flight agency with a couple of pals [/quote] Tijana is mocking me for it, but that's mostly true. I enjoy deep simulator games and always wanted to play a multiplayer game where I'd get actual human passengers and get to pilot them around. For a long time I was working on a career switch to be a domestic pilot, but in my last job change, I ended getting a nice enough raise that move no longer makes financial sense. For those curious about why I'm not asking for a refund, I've said this a number of times in my past, but to be clear: I still like the ideas of SC and would like to see it come out. I don't need or want the money back, especially now. What trucutru said is true. It's quite certain I will never ask for a refund. I am, after all, still subscribed to the game and enjoy watching ATV every week. One of my favorite moments was something that I suspect is of no interest to most people, they released two longer presentations, one on Spectrum and one on project management, which oddly enough fit in quite well with one of the projects I'm currently working on. I've had to learn MS Project over the last month to get a schedule out for a building expansion. On the side, I've also been helping a friend transition his social site to a more modern platform, and we oddly enough ended up going with the same React + Redux design. Those kind of videos are pretty neat. I know most here will find flaws and mock it, but it is neat to see that information on development get out there. As for your post, Flared Basic Bitch, small indie games are what I have the most time to play. Picking up Scanner Sombre this weekend! I keep trying various MMOs, but none of them have the depth in the right area to catch me. Most MMOs seem to equate 'depth' with grinding on various sorts (grinding for drops, grinding for Faction/XP) which is something I just lost my enjoyment from after I quit WoW years ago. What I play now when I'm in that mood is Microsoft Flight Simulator (with PMDG planes and some other realism addons, fs2crew, radar contact, etc). In essence, I like games with: Short, good stories, or deep and technical simulators. I keep looking at MW:O, but it's never captured me, same with Elite Dangerous. Both are good games, but neither's captured me. Last week, I finished NieR: Automa (that was pretty interesting) and am playing the new Tales game. I picked that one up because I like the protagonist, but the grinding is getting to me. Hopefully the story ends up being good stuff.
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Oh, while I'm at it, if anyone has recommendations for good A/V consultant companies, I'd certainly appreciate it. One of the projects I'm working on is getting new conference space setup in the expansion. I've done a bit of research on what would work out, but an audio professional would do a far better job than me. Currently I've scoped out two different levels of upgrade: Higher end: Crestron AM 101, mixer, drop mics, and some nice mics mounted to our conference table Lower end: Phoenix Audio MT202-EXE (x5), connected to a polycom phone If any of you have recommendations for good contractors you've worked with in the past, I'd appreciate it.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Man, they've really hitched their wagons to the June 30th date. Judging by recent screenshots and videos, they've cooked up some ground levels now that they have FPS "Working" and that is what they are going to release as 3.0 come hell or high water. All the rest of the scheduling and whatnot is just a smokescreen to appear like they're burning hard for a major tech release. Whether or not they actually are producing anything is immaterial- as long as they get those maps out, backers will declare 3.0 a major success, and just wait a couple more weeks for the rest, for real. Followed by another sale, maybe of rovers this time. So calling it now, based on the report: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-report Things that will not be in the June release, because they are hard: New planet and landing zone Working player turrets Interactive cargo that is anything more than a number Any of the "Item 2.0" systems: Radar, fuel, power supply, light control, operator seats Doors & Airlocks Atmospheric entry Persistent vehicle states Repair systems Inventory systems Planetary Tech Character Customization Personal Manager/Mission Manager/Cargo Manifest/Starmap App AI Turrets Mission System Any of the AI economy stuff Things that will be in the June release, because there is video evidence that they're already done, and it's good enough that backers won't question the rest: The "Surface Outposts" on the moons, i.e. new FPS maps that you will have to load into. A single mission-providing NPC Some random shipwrecks in the crusader space area Might be in because it's just number crunching and even a goddamn ape could get it right: Stamina numbers New insurance "Cargo" kiosks a-la elite dangerous's commodities menu (i.e. just numbers) "Physics Grids" i.e. gravity = 1 Field of View Slider 100 new guns/ships and "Refactors" of old ships, sold for full price
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D_Smart posted:Actually no. They've - again - hitched it to the "3.0 Jesus Patch". They did the same thing back in Aug 2016 when Croberts said it was coming on|before Dec 19th. Well of course your Warlordship, but this is becoming a death by a thousand cuts (forum shutdown, credits and the store, warbonds, (insert a 1,000 multitude of anti-consumer actions), blah blah blah) so the level of discontent has risen. The missed release will be another footnote for the faithful and will be another hole in the dam for the whales to stuff their e-penis into. In short, will truck along for sometime but cracks are starting to show.
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Golli posted:Cue two pages of conference room design arguments. Would certainly be appreciated  I've been going through the design / success posts of various consultants out here to see what equipment shows up and then pricing it out to get an idea of what would be possible at our budget. Something to do after my evening runs.Oh yeah. Other project I've been working on. This is since I started working out in November. I started adjusting my eating in February though there's not much of a difference you can see. Been working on getting back into shape.
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Nice post. Everyone will have a better idea in a month, but have you looked at https://robertsspaceindustries.com/community/devtracker Apparently Item 2.0 is in and solved a ton of issues such as entry/exit.
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Loiosh posted:Oh, while I'm at it, if anyone has recommendations for good A/V consultant companies, I'd certainly appreciate it. One of the projects I'm working on is getting new conference space setup in the expansion. I've done a bit of research on what would work out, but an audio professional would do a far better job than me. Just go with the guys who promise you the most but have never delivered anything. If they produce a lot of videos of them working, but do not have any actual results to show then pay them double.
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trucutru posted:Just go with the guys who promise you the most but have never delivered anything. So, Polycom? I did actually reach out to them, but they seem to work with service resellers/partners. So I reached out to a few of their partners just to see if they could quote another under ridiculous. The issue with Polycom is for some reason they stopped making their own external mics besides the 7000 expansion mics. They stopped making and supporting wireless lapels or drop mics.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Nice post. I really only keep up through this thread any more. But I don't trust anything a CIG dev says regarding completion of work. They keep relating internal tech experiments as finished projects, years before anything that might feature them comes out. Item 2.0 has been around for at least a couple of years now and it's pretty classic CIG. Its' scope is so wide that the name itself is practically meaningless and they can constantly claim to have made breakthroughs on it (and they have). Look at the upcoming schedule. Item 2.0 is supposed to cover: seats, and displays, and fuel, and radar, and cargo, and ship lights, and quantum drive? So in this one system, on the tech side of things, you're going to have to interact with: server data (for radar), client data (for player handling), ui functions (for displays), ship data (fuel/lights), graphics engine (lights), movement around the map (quantum), and economy data (cargo). This one thing would require components of practically every system in the game to be changed. To what end? Can anyone actually give a one-paragraph summary of what the gently caress "2.0" actually does? Their own summary says "This will allow for greater player control of the ship and also allow for expanded gameplay." They can claim literally any improvement on those fronts to be 2.0, and undoubtedly will, but there's no hint that there is some governing method behind it like "All resource-generating objects in the game will be queryable and will return an object of the following class containing their data. All resource-reading objects in the game will be modified to use this class."
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Loiosh posted:So, Polycom? Remember that if the mics are not encased in sandalwood the quality suffers. Also, well-curated cables than have seen plenty of electron flow are a must.
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Sarsapariller posted:Judging by recent screenshots and videos, they've cooked up some ground levels now that they have FPS "Working" and that is what they are going to release as 3.0 come hell or high water. All the rest of the scheduling and whatnot is just a smokescreen to appear like they're burning hard for a major tech release. Whether or not they actually are producing anything is immaterial- as long as they get those maps out, backers will declare 3.0 a major success, and just wait a couple more weeks for the rest, for real. Followed by another sale, maybe of rovers this time. Didn't they also lose the new "networking savior code" from the 3.0 release? I know it's a very minor thing with an MMO, but hey....
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ripptide posted:Didn't they also lose the new "networking savior code" from the 3.0 release? I know it's a very minor thing with an MMO, but hey.... Yes, but they lost it officially and have already said that it won't be coming until at least 3.1. Smart, since they can continue to blame all issues on it.
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trucutru posted:Remember that if the mics are not encased in sandalwood the quality suffers. Also, well-curated cables than have seen plenty of electron flow are a must. One of the places I looked at pretty much did that. They matched the wood paneling in the bank's executive conference room. Though if you're looking for ridiculous conference room designs, the best is Adobe's HQ in San Jose. They have a $1m + executive conference room complete with custom-built table that has pop-up screens, mics and outlets for laptops and stuff. A full production booth behind one-way glass and a giant screen. My budget is more like, can we just get by with a polycom conference phone and call it a day? I've been putting together proposals at various levels so that, in 2 months time when I inevitably get asked 'what can you do about the conference room,' I'll have budgets to offer and schedules to do the work. One of the more amusing things about my job is you really cannot go back to the executive staff and say 'you told me not to (upgrade the conference room.)' Much better to plan out ahead and have projects ready to go. I try to anticipate future requirements, like network growth, new security requirements, etc.
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Loiosh posted:Would certainly be appreciated Lean in close. Don't want to say it too loudly. OK. One word. "Rivets"
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HycoCam posted:Why are you guys even talking about 3.0? Everyone knows 4.0 is when Star Citizen will really start to come together. You'll see!! The internet won't be able to handle all the people re-backing.
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