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Alacron posted:No, Ann is my waifu and everyone in our wedding party will wear 73 layers of clothes. I think they're just going for the same thing of Teddy hitting on every girl in Persona 4, despite being a mental child. It's comical to see the harmless mascot character trying to score with women far beyond their league and failing, I guess. But I assume pervyness is more tolerated in Japanese media as harmless gags since their actual sex crime statistics are ten times lower than every other nation. Maybe? Same with everyone treating the MC as a leper for having a criminal record. Japan's population is 150 million yet there's only a few thousand juveniles there sentenced with crimes
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Being treated like poo poo for being accused of a crime isn't really a Japan-exclusive thing though. No matter where you go in the world you'll experience that, and I find that rather beautiful.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:36
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je1 healthcare posted:I think they're just going for the same thing of Teddy hitting on every girl in Persona 4, despite being a mental child. It's comical to see the harmless mascot character trying to score with women far beyond their league and failing, I guess. But I assume pervyness is more tolerated in Japanese media as harmless gags since their actual sex crime statistics are ten times lower than every other nation. Maybe? Anyway, in Morgana's case you can read his thing with Ann as him trying to reinforce himself as a human guy.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:39
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Morgana's pretty different from Teddy imo. Because instead of being like generally a perv, he just has a crush on Ann.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:43
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Ann will reject him and Morgana won't be able to rationalize it with his self-image as a gentleman. Enter the cat-sized fedora and Reddit account... Actually, considering as a cat he's perfectly dextrous, they should've just gotten him his own phone to text with. Could've talked to Sojiro that way too.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:49
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Teddy just came off as oblivious. Like a kid who saw this dumb weird way of flirting then mimiced it without understanding any of it. "Is this scoring with a hot stud?" and all that. Morgana just comes off as creepy. Just put a fedora on that cat already.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:47
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I just find it amusing if you're dating Ann, because it probably means the protagonist is busy listening to Morgana going on about wanting to date Ann while he's probably like "Yeah. Uh-huh... Wonder if I should tell him we hosed like animals in a Ferris Wheel.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:48
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Jimbot posted:Teddy just came off as oblivious. Like a kid who saw this dumb weird way of flirting then mimiced it without understanding any of it. "Is this scoring with a hot stud?" and all that. Morgana just comes off as creepy. Just put a fedora on that cat already. Teddy comes off as creepier to me if only because p4 has way creepier moments about that stuff.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:50
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Jimbot posted:Teddy just came off as oblivious. Like a kid who saw this dumb weird way of flirting then mimiced it without understanding any of it. "Is this scoring with a hot stud?" and all that. Morgana just comes off as creepy. Just put a fedora on that cat already. Teddie came off as way more unpleasant to me because he never shut up about it and kept hitting on everyone indiscriminately. Morgana just came off as someone trying badly to be chivalrous and he drops it halfway through the game
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Apr 30, 2017 05:50
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True, the stigma is just twice as bad in Japan, even over minor crimes. Which creates a catch-22 in the legal system which people are reluctant to prosecute anyone without complete certainty of conviction, because it will make them unemployable for life, and acknowledging a mistaken sentence can ruin a legal career. And that may or may not have an effect on crime stats which is a whole nother can of worms that P5 touches upon. There are nuances to the Japanese legal system that P5 would be better served in explaining in localization to help convey the actual stakes for each character, but that's a minor nitpick.
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Endorph posted:Those are reported sex crime statistics, which are notably different from actual sex crime statistics.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:53
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Yeah, I guess that's true too. I forgot the extent of Teddy's stuff. I'll rediscover more of it as I play. But I still think I prefer Teddy over Morgana. That stupid temper tantrum arc was utter garbage and brought the game to a grinding halt for me. Teddy's was more of a slow build and at least had a pay-off. Morgana's is, I think, referenced casually once then completely forgotten forever. A worthless bit of writing. Almost as bad as Hashino's contempt for queer and trans people.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:55
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Oxxidation posted:Morgana just came off as someone trying badly to be chivalrous Yeah, this is basically the only reason anyone uses the -dono honorific.
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Jimbot posted:Yeah, I guess that's true too. I forgot the extent of Teddy's stuff. I'll rediscover more of it as I play. But I still think I prefer Teddy over Morgana. That stupid temper tantrum arc was utter garbage and brought the game to a grinding halt for me. Teddy's was more of a slow build and at least had a pay-off. Morgana's is, I think, referenced casually once then completely forgotten forever. A worthless bit of writing. Almost as bad as Hashino's contempt for queer and trans people. Blame that on Haru's character, not Morgana's. There was clearly a lot of waffling over the final roster, what with Shogi Girl getting cut, and having Morgana pull a redux of Teddie's post-Navigator existential crisis was a contrived way to get Haru in with the rest of the Thieves, probably because she was added so late that she couldn't be written in more organically.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:58
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What aggravates me, is I don't know how good of a cook the different girls in the cast are. Persona 4 was superior in this regard, for telling me that data over and over
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Apr 30, 2017 05:59
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FractalSandwich posted:What are the estimates for the number of sex crimes that go unreported, then? Are there any estimates that you see as reliable, or are they all crap because nobody making them is impartial, and everyone tries to massage the numbers to prove their own point? In every country actual crime stats are higher than reported crime stats. The disparity in Japan is up for debate, but their crime stats in all categories are a far lower. Also most violent and sex-based crimes were reported as three times higher in the 70s and gradually dropped in the decades since, so I doubt that the system has gotten worse at picking up offenders.
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Apr 30, 2017 05:59
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No Mods No Masters posted:What aggravates me, is I don't know how good of a cook the different girls in the cast are. Persona 4 was superior in this regard, for telling me that data over and over Makoto's decent, Haru's learning, Ann would absolutely burn down half a city block after trying to boil water.
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Apr 30, 2017 06:00
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No Mods No Masters posted:What aggravates me, is I don't know how good of a cook the different girls in the cast are. Persona 4 was superior in this regard, for telling me that data over and over Kawakami can make curry for you and your girlfriend to enjoy 
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Oxxidation posted:Blame that on Haru's character, not Morgana's. There was clearly a lot of waffling over the final roster, what with Shogi Girl getting cut from the final roster, and having Morgana pull a redux of Teddie's post-Navigator existential crisis was a contrived way to get Haru in with the rest of the Thieves, probably because she was added so late that she couldn't be written in more organically. Yeah, her too. But I really like Haru and I've remained indifferent, outside the tantrum arc, on Morgana. Outside a few funny lines and party interactions, Morgana was a wash for me. Haru should have been handled like Naoto from 4. You get her late in that game but she at least shows up and hangs with the party a whole bunch before her dungeon. Haru shows up for 5 seconds in an anime cutscene then disappears until Hawaii.
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Oxxidation posted:Blame that on Haru's character, not Morgana's. There was clearly a lot of waffling over the final roster, what with Shogi Girl getting cut from the final roster, and having Morgana pull a redux of Teddie's post-Navigator existential crisis was a contrived way to get Haru in with the rest of the Thieves, probably because she was added so late that she couldn't be written in more organically. People keep saying this sort of stuff, but it sounds absurd to me. You do realize that it'd be even harder for them to organically work Hifumi into the plot, right? And I'm pretty sure that Hifumi was cut from the playable cast way earlier than a lot of people seem to be imagining. They probably didn't have entire plot sketched out when they made the decision, and chances are it was done extremely early during the "we are brainstorming character designs" phase.
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No Mods No Masters posted:What aggravates me, is I don't know how good of a cook the different girls in the cast are. Persona 4 was superior in this regard, for telling me that data over and over What I want to know is whether Joker or Narukami is the better cook. Sure Narukami can make more things but do any of his dishes measure up to Sojiro's perfect curry?
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Oxxidation posted:Makoto's decent, Haru's learning, Ann would absolutely burn down half a city block after trying to boil water. I still miss the little stat-locked dialogue options in P5. Having the courage to do things like try Yukiko's curry just made it all the funnier. *BLARF* *thud* Or trying to courageously endure the girls lobbing everything but the kitchen skin at you for your accidental intrusion at the Bath House and still having to get the gently caress out of dodge before they murder you dead.
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Clarste posted:People keep saying this sort of stuff, but it sounds absurd to me. You do realize that it'd be even harder for them to organically work Hifumi into the plot, right? And I'm pretty sure that Hifumi was cut from the playable cast way earlier than a lot of people seem to be imagining. They probably didn't have entire plot sketched out when they made the decision, and chances are it was done extremely early during the "we are brainstorming character designs" phase.
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Dolash posted:I did not and was very nearly rocked, and sort of glad of it since it really did feel like an ambush. I was totally taken surprise by this and entered into the fight with all my characters low on HP and SP coming back from that felt like a real triumph Oh, yeah, people mentioned Sherlock Holmes earlier, I feel like this was probably common knowledge to Japanese players of the game but Kogoro Akechi was the Japanese Sherlock Holmes whose nemesis was The "Fiend with Twenty Faces," a gentleman thief and master of disguise. I thought that was pretty neat! CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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if you look at the artbook hifumi has way more portraits than any other s. link character. it probably didnt happen last minute or anything but i have to imagine it happened fairly late in development. the game has plenty of sections where you can see where what they planned didnt pan out, like how they have that entire graphic for the trip to hawaii that only gets used once, because the game was originally meant to be a globehopping adventure. you can see that in both that graphic and futaba's egyptian theme being kind of random.
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Oxxidation posted:Makoto's decent, Haru's learning, Ann would absolutely burn down half a city block after trying to boil water. Makoto can make donuts that are as effective as Master Coffee, so that seems pretty skillful
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I know I complained a lot about the 100% requirements in P5, especially the stupid crafting +3s, but on replay holy hell is P4G so much worse for this. Storyline chat options, lots of fishing, bug catching, beef bowl... so much rewinding it makes me wish there was a vita hack with savestates.SyntheticPolygon posted:What I want to know is whether Joker or Narukami is the better cook. Sure Narukami can make more things but do any of his dishes measure up to Sojiro's perfect curry? You'll have to wait for the spinoff Persona: Bon Appetit. It will single-handedly revive the Vita. Pun.
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Bless Haru and her vegetables. Burned a decent number of Moonlight Carrots on (Palace 7 spoilers) the surprise Akechi fights since I had just swapped in party members without Adhesives and the Palace 7 boss. Palace 7 is actually pretty great. Draining on resources, but the pacing is nowhere near as bad as the previous two palaces. ApplesandOranges fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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ApplesandOranges posted:Bless Haru and her vegetables. Burned a decent number of Moonlight Carrots on (Palace 7 spoilers) the surprise Akechi fights since I had just swapped in party members without Adhesives and the Palace 7 boss. Hey, Palace 6 is great.
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Endorph posted:if you look at the artbook hifumi has way more portraits than any other s. link character. it probably didnt happen last minute or anything but i have to imagine it happened fairly late in development. the game has plenty of sections where you can see where what they planned didnt pan out, like how they have that entire graphic for the trip to hawaii that only gets used once, because the game was originally meant to be a globehopping adventure. you can see that in both that graphic and futaba's egyptian theme being kind of random.
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FractalSandwich posted:I think the real question on everyone's mind is: would she have kept talking like an edgelord when she was fighting Shadows? Yes, obviously.
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FractalSandwich posted:I think the real question on everyone's mind is: would she have kept talking like an edgelord when she was fighting Shadows? Her Persona Awakening scene was too epic and would have delayed the release of the game by another year
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Apr 30, 2017 07:15
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Her Persona Awakening scene was too epic and would have delayed the release of the game by another year
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ROFL Octopus posted:For one, the Arthur Conan Doyle estate is notoriously litigious. This is the exact reason his Persona should have been Arsene's nemesis, Herlock Sholmes.
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Clarste posted:People keep saying this sort of stuff, but it sounds absurd to me. It's "Dojima was going to be the killer until late in development" all over again. I'm thinking the character art and maaaaybe the love for shoji were originally intended for Okumura's daughter, and were recycled for a confidant when it was decided to go in a different direction for the seventh party member.
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epenthesis posted:It's "Dojima was going to be the killer until late in development" all over again. I'm thinking the character art and maaaaybe the love for shoji were originally intended for Okumura's daughter, and were recycled for a confidant when it was decided to go in a different direction for the seventh party member. the phrasing in the artbook is literally 'hifumi (and they use her name, hifumi, implying she would have been basically the same character we know) was planned to be a party member in addition to haru' but okay dude
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I beat palace 7 on 12/22 think I'm going into the end luv u guys Maxed every confidant except haru level 8 and strength, not gonna do strength if I can't get them all. Pretty blue ballsed by that but incentive for NG+ I guess
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Apr 30, 2017 07:54
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Endorph posted:not maxing strength is the saddest thing you can do lol Yeah you are locking yourself out of really cool personas unless you grind like a madman.
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