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Bad comedy also has the distinction of not aging well at all. Cheesy action movies and hammy melodramas often get more entertaining with time as they serve as a sort of window into the sensibilities of the period, but bad comedy gets worse with distance because the context that might have made it chuckle worthy is lost and all you're really left with is broad mugging and and bad taste grossouts with no actual bite. Second rate parodies have no shelf life once people have forgotten their inspiration, but I think the very worst are sex comedies. I've never watched a sixties/seventees sex "romp" that was actually funny and they rarely have much porn value either. Mostly they just come off as creepy or sad to modern eyes. E:A trek example would be Elaan of Troyius which was supposed to be a fun and sexy modern taming of the shrew with a bit of mystery and a bittersweet ending, but pretty much fails on all fronts because Elaan never feels remotely like a real person and the commentary on sexually is practically from another planet. Duckbox fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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Duckbag posted:Bad comedy also has the distinction of not aging well at all. Cheesy action movies and hammy melodramas often get more entertaining with time as they serve as a sort of window into the sensibilities of the period, but bad comedy gets worse with distance because the context that might have made it chuckle worthy is lost and all you're really left with is broad mugging and and bad taste grossouts with no actual bite. Boy, you're not wrong at all. Go back and watch some 80s comedies and count the number of gay panic jokes, or other casual uses of gay slurs like fag/human being being dropped all the time as punchlines.
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Apr 30, 2017 07:12
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McSpanky posted:Indeed they have, in the TNG Tech Manual it says the saucer section has "warp sustainer" engines that let it peel off some of the warp bubble and keep it going for a few minutes so it can glide smoothly out of warp after the stardrive section disengages. It's the same thing that allows torpedoes to be fired at warp.
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WampaLord posted:Boy, you're not wrong at all. Go back and watch some 80s comedies and count the number of gay panic jokes, or other casual uses of gay slurs like fag/human being being dropped all the time as punchlines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFL1UXuHJ-A
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nmx posted:Those special effects though! Actually for a 1970s TV show, the modelwork for the moving train is pretty frakkin' good. Or maybe I have low standards because I'm old enough to have seen Supertrain when it actually aired. It bombed, but I don't think there was anything really wrong with the concept of a a show centered on a luxury high speed train. It was just undermined by terrible casting and writing and budget excess.
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WampaLord posted:Boy, you're not wrong at all. Go back and watch some 80s comedies and count the number of gay panic jokes, or other casual uses of gay slurs like fag/human being being dropped all the time as punchlines. Also the constant sex crimes in Revenge of the Nerds and similar movies. If people ever question the progress of feminism in the last 30 years, just ask them the last time they saw a panty raid or or a stuck up blonde getting revenge raped in a hit comedy.
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Number_6 posted:Supertrain was such a costly trainwreck it almost killed loving NBC (in conjunction with some other problems). Maybe Discovery will do the same for CBS's fledgling streaming ...thing. It's like a fuckin Tim and Eric skit, except it's funnier. It's... fascinating. Duckbag posted:Also the constant sex crimes in Revenge of the Nerds and similar movies. If people ever question the progress of feminism in the last 30 years, just ask them the last time they saw a panty raid or or a stuck up blonde getting revenge raped in a hit comedy. The ski resort episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia addresses this. There's a Porky's-esque sex crime which even the evil regular characters step back from as a bit too much for them. And then the guest character gets arrested for serial rape. In Star Truck news, I have been watching ENT and enjoying it more and more. ENT, S3E10: "Similitude" "Florida Man Finds Ultimate Wing Man in Dying Clone" ~or~ "Florida Man Receiving Erotic Massage from Space Elf, Still Has Not Been Laid in Ten Months" I actually really liked "Similitude," even though (because?) it basically makes Archer into the evil corporate overlords from Moon. "Twilight" was pretty good too.
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What a moran
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WampaLord posted:Boy, you're not wrong at all. Go back and watch some 80s comedies and count the number of gay panic jokes, or other casual uses of gay slurs like fag/human being being dropped all the time as punchlines. The Hangover movies had casual faggotting all over the place, and one of the big gags in the second one is Ed Helms getting banged up the rear end by a ladyboy. I don't think things have changed that much, although I'm sure something like Dirty Grandpa will be seen as just as dated and embarrassing as all those eighties sex comedies twenty years from now.
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WampaLord posted:Boy, you're not wrong at all. Go back and watch some 80s comedies and count the number of gay panic jokes, or other casual uses of gay slurs like fag/human being being dropped all the time as punchlines. And those slurs and insults are alive and well on any given internet message board.
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Ffs. People have too much time on their hands. God help you if you drive through the South with an idic plate.
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On one hand vanity plates are gross; on another this complaint is kinda dumb. It's surrounded in borg/star trek stuff, not confederate memorabilia (which can still be found in Canada  )!
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Number_6 posted:Actually for a 1970s TV show, the modelwork for the moving train is pretty frakkin' good. Or maybe I have low standards because I'm old enough to have seen Supertrain when it actually aired. No I agree, I actually wasn't being sarcastic 
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nmx posted:No I agree, I actually wasn't being sarcastic I agree, I'm sure the low quality of the recording helps but I had some trouble telling when it was the full size model and when it was the miniature. Definitely seen worse, and later than that.
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I'm watching the TNG retrospective on Netflix, and holy gently caress this thing is SO 1995.
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I think I forgot one. Trip report: DS9 Season 1, episode 11 "Vortex" I should note these are the Netflix episode numbers as I just briefly confused myself as I looked up whether it was " Vortex" or "The Vortex." They're starting to get better. Maybe it just seems that way because this is an Odo episode, but I'll take it. Good tease on the shapeshifters, and this would've fit in as a decent to good TNG episode. Trip report: DS9 Season 1, episode 12 "Battle Lines" Galileo Seven meets A Taste of Armageddon. Not bad, somewhat interesting moral quandary for Bashir, although cut short as they just "welp" out of there. I also didn't remember Opaka staying behind this early in the show's run, I think this only like her second appearance. For some reason I thought she was in the show a lot more. I vaguely recall they do see her again later as she hinted at the end.
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Wait, does she ever come back? I thought she didn't. It's also the first example of ds9's frustrating habit of establishing bajoran characters then jettisoning the before they have a chance to do anything interesting.
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Opaka appears in orb visions a couple times afterwards but that's the last time she ever appears in person.
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That must be what I'm remembering then. 20+ years is a long time; I'm surprised I remember as much as I do.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:I think I forgot one. Trip report: DS9 Season 1, episode 11 "Vortex"
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Oh wow, Riker and Ro just boned. Can't wait til everyone gets their memories back and have to deal with that fallout.
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Kingtheninja posted:Oh wow, Riker and Ro just boned. Can't wait til everyone gets their memories back and have to deal with that fallout. No, it's the far future, literally everyone is chill and there are no conflicts in relationships. Bashir and Leeta have like a loving celebration for breaking up, poo poo's weird.
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WampaLord posted:No, it's the far future, literally everyone is chill and there are no conflicts in relationships.
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Plus you just know Bashir was hoping to get a once-more-for-old-times-sake bone in there.
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Also people making a big show about how amicable their breakup was is something real people do some times when they're trying to seem cool and not clingy in front of their friends. My reading is their relationship was doomed because Bashir was too hung up on Dax and Leeta was more interested in Rom, so they split as soon as the sex stopped being good enough. I'm guessing it was her idea because she's the one who had the rebound guy all lined up already, but it's possible he wrecked things by being unwilling to commit. Either way, it can't have been that amicable because he went the trouble of bribing a kid to steal his teddy bear back for him. Duckbox fucked around with this message at 08:08 on May 1, 2017 |
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Bashir seems British enough that he would probably rather betray the Federation to the Dominion than go ask if he can have this precious childhood present he gave an ex-girlfriend back.
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Well he says she hasn't returned it in a way that implies he did ask, so my thinking is this is just one of those petty games some ex's play because they're too passive aggressive to just yell at each other like normal people.
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Bear was just that cuddly. Can't replicate that kind of thing.
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I expected the Amelia Earhart episode to end a lot dumber than that (though it's still pretty dumb/par for the course). It would've been nice to see these amazing cities they're so drat impressed with. They talk about it to the extent that you could tell they couldn't afford to show it. Abducted Human Civilization has some pretty great looking armor though. I like how their helmets come off. 
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I think the dumbest part of that episode is that there's a thriving human community in the Delta quadrant and no one on the ship, not even the maquis, joins them. Really, Voyager, everyone on board would rather spend 70 years in a tin can fighting for survival than hanging with Amelia Earheart and her bros? What I'm saying is the cities can't have been that nice.
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Duckbag posted:I think the dumbest part of that episode is that there's a thriving human community in the Delta quadrant and no one on the ship, not even the maquis, joins them. Really, Voyager, everyone on board would rather spend 70 years in a tin can fighting for survival than hanging with Amelia Earheart and her bros?
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Duckbag posted:I think the dumbest part of that episode is that there's a thriving human community in the Delta quadrant and no one on the ship, not even the maquis, joins them. Really, Voyager, everyone on board would rather spend 70 years in a tin can fighting for survival than hanging with Amelia Earheart and her bros? "So where are the holodecks? I got the urge to wrestle a ten-breasted amazonian in the jelly pits of dildor IV." "The whatadecks?" "Screw this I'm out"
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Duckbag posted:I think the dumbest part of that episode is that there's a thriving human community in the Delta quadrant and no one on the ship, not even the maquis, joins them. Really, Voyager, everyone on board would rather spend 70 years in a tin can fighting for survival than hanging with Amelia Earheart and her bros? To be fair, the Maquis' whole thing is "gently caress you, my stupid dirt-farming colony is the only place I can possibly tolerate living, and I'll murder the lot of you rather than live elsewhere!", so if anything they'd be less likely to settle for somewhere else than the Starfleet crew.
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Angry Salami posted:To be fair, the Maquis' whole thing is "gently caress you, my stupid dirt-farming colony is the only place I can possibly tolerate living, and I'll murder the lot of you rather than live elsewhere!", so if anything they'd be less likely to settle for somewhere else than the Starfleet crew. Reminds me of the DS9 episode with the old Bajoran man who won't leave his farm because "gently caress you this is my home and I'd rather die here than move anywhere else"
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My favorite is the meninists on Angel One. "We won't come with you Picard, we'd rather the matriarch execute us all right here than leave our homes and the community we've built." "Eh I changed my mind about executing you, we'll just banish you to the shittiest part of the planet so you'll never see the homes you've built ever again." "Oh OK that's fine too, we'd rather leave our homes than go with you and leave our homes Picard"
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Duckbag posted:I think the dumbest part of that episode is that there's a thriving human community in the Delta quadrant and no one on the ship, not even the maquis, joins them. Really, Voyager, everyone on board would rather spend 70 years in a tin can fighting for survival than hanging with Amelia Earheart and her bros? That's the perfect kind of episode to introduce Ensign Ricky and have everyone say "Oh hi my good friend Ensign Ricky, I hope we have many more interesting adventures together" and at the end he says he wants to stay on the planet. You'd see it coming from a mile away, but it'd still work. TOS did that all the time. Occasionally they accidentally did it with actors who already played crew members who died, but eh. DS9 made a similar mistake in that one where Dax says she's gonna move in with Boring Alien and live on his planet forever. Lol no you aren't. Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 14:05 on May 1, 2017 |
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If I suddenly got a name and had the command crew talking to me like I'm their old friend just out of the blue after ignoring me for three years, I'd get the gently caress off the ship immediately, because otherwise those are all signs I'm about to die on an away mission/at an exploding console
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Hey now, sometimes DS9 introduced them and episode or two in advance! Oh Ensign Muniz. 
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mycomancy posted:I'm watching the TNG retrospective on Netflix, and holy gently caress this thing is SO 1995. What is it called?
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