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To: iowamark

Trump will not sign it. Mark my words. He is going to toss them a red hot rock and say juggle, idiots.

2 posted on 04/30/2017 8:16:30 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools. Go Trump!)
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To: iowamark

Send it back Mr. President.

3 posted on 04/30/2017 8:17:01 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Republicans DO KNOW that they won big after the last shutdown, right?

Why does this party HATE TO WIN?

6 posted on 04/30/2017 8:21:27 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: iowamark

“Hard-won?”

This is a budget that expands government under Republicans, giving everyone extras.

Veto this bill, President Trump.

8 posted on 04/30/2017 8:22:20 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: iowamark

I waited 65 years to see a day when a man would stand up and advocate for our desires.

We have one now.

Speaker Congressman Paul Ryan is determined to play the part of head Democrat in the House of Representatives during this administration.

Majority Leader Senator Mitch McConnell is determined to play the part of head Democrat in the U.s. Senate.

President Donald Trump can do only so much against these people. If he wants the military to be fixed right away, he has to deal.

Reagan had the same problem in his day. He had to face the Democrats on Capital Hill. Now Trump has to face the Republicans there. This is unconscionable!

The Wall has been refused him, and more importantly us.

The American public want that wall.

How ugly this is going to get, we don’t know. What I do know is that promises were made to protect this nation.

If Ryan and McConnell can’t get their act together, they need to step down and let someone else take over.

This is the same as Ryancare.

Ryan thinks he was elected president. No Mr. Ryan, you weren’t. K-Street, neither were you.

Donald J. Trump is President of the United States, and if you two sons of bitches can’t get your act together in order to help him fulfill his promises, you need to go.

Trump, show them who is boss.

You either do it soon, or you’ll be their bitch for the duration.

11 posted on 04/30/2017 8:25:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Happy days are here again!)
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To: dp0622

Why does this party HATE TO WIN?

Losing is all they know. All they can anticipate. All they can understand. The prospect of winning unsettles them. Is something they can not comprehend.

The GOP at the national level is in a comfort zone and the idea of leaving it paralyzes them with fear.

That is why they are intimidated by Trump. Why they are fighting him.

12 posted on 04/30/2017 8:25:38 PM PDT by Ciaphas Cain (The choice to be stupid is not a conviction I am obligated to respect.)
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To: hal ogen

A HARD veto. “I will not approve a budget without funding for the wall. Enjoy your shutdown. I have directed my appointees to share budgets. EPA shut down. DOE shut down, etc.. National monuments are open and paid vacation for the folks that stick around equal to there time spent on this... cash or time, their choice. “

14 posted on 04/30/2017 8:28:30 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools. Go Trump!)
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To: Ciaphas Cain

They REALLY are!

If they have the minority with a dem pres, they vote hardcore right.

If they have the MAJORITY with a dem pres, they vote hardcore right cause he’ll veto it.

But when they have GREAT power to change things, they tremble in fear of shaking things up.

They only care about themselves. No one else.

16 posted on 04/30/2017 8:31:17 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: iowamark

Tell them to get back to work for the good of this country. They are cowards.

The least they could do is fund a great FDR style make work project like the border wall. That puts folks to work, gives them purpose, and makes the country a little bit safer from invasion. The border wall could be a great bike path from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico. It would be a tourist destination. Folks would travel to the Great Border Wall in search of great Mexican food and to see the many food trucks stationed on the other side.

Lol

20 posted on 04/30/2017 8:37:58 PM PDT by petitfour (Appeal to Heaven)
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To: iowamark

This is not a budget. It’s just to placate the minority party. When did Democrats ever placate Republicans?

24 posted on 04/30/2017 8:55:57 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; I celebrated; I'm good. Let's get on with the civil war now.)
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To: iowamark

Veto this crap. If you cannot run the government responsibly then don’t run one. This garbage has to stop. Show Trump unwavering support so that he can have the courage to Veto this trash

26 posted on 04/30/2017 8:57:33 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: dp0622

Not too long ago the Republicans had the White House and both halves of Congress.

The GOP has promised action on abortion for decades. Always telling us that they were just waiting for the right time.

So why didn't they act on the opportunity? What prevented them?

It was because Republicans inside the beltway NEED abortion to remain legal. It's the carrot on a stick that keeps evangelicals supporting and voting for them.

Conservative Christians are to the GOP what black people are to the Democrats.

28 posted on 04/30/2017 9:05:01 PM PDT by Ciaphas Cain (The choice to be stupid is not a conviction I am obligated to respect.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“A trillion dollar spending bill, and they couldn’t insert $15 billion to start the wall.”

Trump asked for 1.4 billion to start construction of the wall and this bill has 1.5 billion for “border security”.

Democrats saved face by not mentioning the wall directly but the border security will probably be used for the wall. The article says 1.5 billion for detention center beds.. LOL. Money for the wall is in there.

30 posted on 04/30/2017 9:26:53 PM PDT by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
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To: iowamark
Even when we win we lose because the spineless Republicans are so scared how they are going to be portrayed on the Sunday Morning talk shows and in the NYT/WaPo that they won't take a stand. Even when we win, we lose. Trump came in ready to stand up to these people and has majorities in both houses, yet the Republicans capitulate anyway - just like they did under Obama. If Trump signs this, it means he is getting sucked into the same swamp that he ran against.

I mean, it still funds Planned Parenthood! Look at this:

The deal includes an additional $12 billion in defense spending, which is $18 billion less than Trump asked for. It also includes a permanent fix to fund coal miners' health care instead of a temporary extension.

Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York called the deal "a good agreement for the American people" that "takes the threat of a government shutdown off the table."

"The bill ensures taxpayer dollars aren't used to fund an ineffective border wall, excludes poison pill riders and increases investments in programs that the middle-class relies on, like medical research, education and infrastructure," Schumer said Sunday night.

Chuck Schumer knows the wall will be effective, and that's why he really supports it.

"Early on in this debate, Democrats clearly laid out our principles," he said. "At the end of the day, this is an agreement that reflects those principles."

WTG, Republicans. Why not just go have a Pepsi with Kendall Jenner and let them write the bill?

Democrats stressed that there is no money not only for a border wall, but also for a deportation force, and they said there would be no cut in funding for so-called sanctuary cities.

And instead of $3 billion for border security, which was requested by the Trump administration, the bill includes just half of that — $1.5 billion. It also includes $295 million for Puerto Rico's Medicaid program.

It sounds like illegal immigration will continue with the exception of at the border. With no wall, as soon as Trump is gone, it will be business as usual.

To top it off, it sounds like we are bailing out Puerto Rico which isn't a state.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/deal-government-funding-reached-averting-shutdown-n753086
31 posted on 04/30/2017 10:08:23 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hillary's Russia Ties - http://dtforpres.blogspot.com/2016/09/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-have.htm)
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To: DoughtyOne

I agree with everything you say, DoughtyOne.

I think it’s time for another march on Washington.

The last march I went to (from Atlanta, GA) was the Audit The IRS rally in 2012. We FILLED that space in front of the Capital - Ted Cruz made an appearance!

Of course, no one listened then, since Obama was polluting the WH, but a message might be sent this time!

32 posted on 04/30/2017 10:10:52 PM PDT by EarlyBird (There's a whole lot of winning going on around here!)
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To: Ciaphas Cain

Good analogy, not perfect since there are a few Congress beings who do care, but to most it’s the political football that Lucy keeps on using to watch Charlie Brown run at it and fall down kicking.

Christians are the niggers of way too much of the GOP.

Not that Christians ought to be surprised. The bible warned them.

We need a spiritual revolution here. Without a resurgence of the Holy Spirit, and that through faith, the gates of hell will keep on defying us.

35 posted on 04/30/2017 10:29:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: DoughtyOne

My guess/fear would be that Trump signs it. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m used to Republicans disappointing me, and Trump is stuck with a spineless Congress. They don’t need the Freedom Caucus for this, and I would think those folks would be opposed.

46 posted on 04/30/2017 11:26:58 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hillary's Russia Ties - http://dtforpres.blogspot.com/2016/09/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-have.htm)
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To: KyCats

You’d think the left would be happy, but instead they are still attacking Trump supporters saying, “You got conned.” and mocking them and Trump for essentially the Democrats getting everything.

This bill was what would have been passed under Obama. I hope Ted, Rand, and the Freedom Caucus at least object.

53 posted on 05/01/2017 3:43:06 AM PDT by Pinkbell (Hillary's Russia Ties - http://dtforpres.blogspot.com/2016/09/hillary-clinton-and-democrats-have.htm)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

"Trump will not sign it. Mark my words. He is going to toss them a red hot rock and say juggle, idiots."

Wish you were right, but he will sign it and then say that it is somehow "wonderful" IMO.

55 posted on 05/01/2017 3:52:48 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: iowamark

Trump needs to go to the people when it is voting time for these cretans

57 posted on 05/01/2017 4:06:00 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Trump plays chess the rest are still playing checkers)
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To: DoughtyOne

Oh excellent!

As long as construction starts ASAP, I don’t care what they call it.

In Saturday’s rally, Trump seemed confident that the wall would be built. I’ll bet he warned congress he wouldn’t sign anything without wall funds in it. They may have been able to threaten and bully other Republican presidents, but not this one! That’s why we voted for him.

62 posted on 05/01/2017 5:19:11 AM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you, Julian)
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To: iowamark

PENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You were brought on board to stop this BS. What the hell happened??

64 posted on 05/01/2017 6:27:30 AM PDT by EliRoom8
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Trump asked for 1.4 billion to start construction of the wall and this bill has 1.5 billion for “border security”.

Democrats saved face by not mentioning the wall directly but the border security will probably be used for the wall. The article says 1.5 billion for detention center beds.. LOL. Money for the wall is in there.

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To: Ciaphas Cain 

They REALLY are! 

If they have the minority with a dem pres, they vote hardcore right. 

If they have the MAJORITY with a dem pres, they vote hardcore right cause he’ll veto it. 

But when they have GREAT power to change things, they tremble in fear of shaking things up. 

They only care about themselves. No one else. 

16 posted on 04/30/2017 8:31:17 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative) 

Jagged Jim posted:

Oh... wow...

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To: iowamark

This is not a budget. It’s just to placate the minority party. When did Democrats ever placate Republicans?

24 posted on 04/30/2017 8:55:57 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; I celebrated; I'm good. Let's get on with the civil war now.)
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Covok posted:

Are they serious?

Covok posted:

Are they serious?

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To: iowamark

Trump will not sign it. Mark my words. He is going to toss them a red hot rock and say juggle, idiots.

2 posted on 04/30/2017 8:16:30 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools. Go Trump!)
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The GOP has promised action on abortion for decades. Always telling us that they were just waiting for the right time.

So why didn't they act on the opportunity? What prevented them?

It was because Republicans inside the beltway NEED abortion to remain legal. It's the carrot on a stick that keeps evangelicals supporting and voting for them.

Sargon of TN posted:

This is literally the only reason my parents vote straight republican in every election (local/national). This is how the ACLJ has been able to steal their money for so many years: With the promise to FIGHT ABORTION! The ACLJ knows good and well they'll never accomplish this, but they don't care. Being a pro-life organization/politician is a cash cow.

Telsa Cola posted:

I cant believe there is a freeper named Ciaphas Cain.

Alter Ego posted:

The tears. They nourish me.

When Trump signs it, they shall flow ever the more heartily.

Night10194 posted:

You're thinking too small.

The true great wish of all connoisseurs of tears is that he vetoes...and congress overrides.

Night10194 posted:

You're thinking too small.

The true great wish of all connoisseurs of tears is that he vetoes...and congress overrides.

Tias posted:

Came to post this, what could be his rationale

Tias posted:

Came to post this, what could be his rationale

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To: dp0622

Why does this party HATE TO WIN?

Losing is all they know. All they can anticipate. All they can understand. The prospect of winning unsettles them. Is something they can not comprehend.

The GOP at the national level is in a comfort zone and the idea of leaving it paralyzes them with fear.

That is why they are intimidated by Trump. Why they are fighting him.

12 posted on 04/30/2017 8:25:38 PM PDT by Ciaphas Cain (The choice to be stupid is not a conviction I am obligated to respect.)
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Night10194 posted:

Also lol at the one guy going "Wait, wait, he got 1.5 billion for border security! THAT'S WALL MONEY!"

No-one tell him there's a specific provision in the bill saying 'That ain't no wall money'

Tias posted:

Came to post this, what could be his rationale

Jagged Jim posted:

To: BenLurkin

Setup. Republicans are not in to that kind of behavior. He should have been shot dead right as he was wounding the first person.

2 posted on 04/29/2017 8:05:06 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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Alter Ego posted:

This will cause more tears than the wall funding getting pulled, since they can't explain this one away.

chitoryu12 posted:

He's so close to figuring it out.

The GOP is unable to comprehend winning because (like any good party that's been consumed by authoritarian views) they need a constant struggle to ensure their continued existence. If they were to win everything they wanted, it would simply be replaced with a new struggle against a new enemy. If they were to lose their struggle, their hardline stance would no longer be tenable.

Instead, he interprets it as "Trump must really be too perfect and tough if the GOP can't accept him!"

BarbarianElephant posted:

How about a MOAT, smart guy?

SocketWrench posted:

"damned liberals"

Explained

Jagged Jim posted:

something something

Jagged Jim posted:

Alter Ego posted:

Not my point. My point is that they will have to wonder: why did President Tough Guy sign it? They're all about lines in the sand, so why would President Daddy Goodhair sign a bill that didn't destroy PP and give him his wall money?

This is the outcome that makes Trump look less like their pure, untarnished champion of freedom and more like the orange gonad that he is.

Jagged Jim posted:

To: hal ogen 

A HARD veto. “I will not approve a budget without funding for the wall. Enjoy your shutdown. I have directed my appointees to share budgets. EPA shut down. DOE shut down, etc.. National monuments are open and paid vacation for the folks that stick around equal to there time spent on this... cash or time, their choice. “ 

14 posted on 04/30/2017 8:28:30 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools. Go Trump!) 
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Alter Ego posted:

Not my point. My point is that they will have to wonder: why did President Tough Guy sign it? They're all about lines in the sand, so why would President Daddy Goodhair sign a bill that didn't destroy PP and give him his wall money?

This is the outcome that makes Trump look less like their pure, untarnished champion of freedom and more like the orange gonad that he is.

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As usual the media is ignorant of history. The Civil War was caused by the secession which began in South Carolina. The nullification crisis was an earlier attempt in South Carolina at renouncing the authority of the federal government and could have very likely led to secession.

The South Carolina Ordinance of Nullification was enacted into law on November 24, 1832. As far as South Carolina was concerned, federal laws could be dismissed and there was no tariff. A line had been drawn. Would President Jackson dare to cross it? Jackson rightly regarded this states-rights challenge as so serious that he asked Congress to enact legislation permitting him to use federal troops to enforce federal laws in the face of nullification. Fortunately, an armed confrontation was avoided when Congress, led by the efforts of Henry Clay, revised the tariff with a compromise bill. This permitted the South Carolinians to back down without "losing face." In retrospect, Jackson's strong, decisive support for the Union was one of the great moments of his Presidency. If nullification had been successful, could secession have been far behind?

The secession of 1860 and early 1861 did not come as the result of a popular vote. It was forced through the confederate states by a small group of Democrat Party activists.

If a strong president had threatened the use federal troops in 1860 there it is likely there would not have been a secession.

President Buchanen worked with Jefferson Davis and the secessionists to help them.

President Jackson had many faults and no one can say for certain what would have actually happened. But Trump is far more knowledgeable regarding U.S. history than the media.

1 posted on 05/01/2017 1:52:30 PM PDT by detective
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To: detective

The Nullification Crisis during Jackson’s Presidency prefigured one of the main issues of the civil war.

Were the states mere vassals of the very national government that they created, or did they have an equal say in deciding what is Constitutional.

Jefferson and Madison of the Virginia and Kentucky Resolves of 1798 defended state’s rights,as had the Anti-Federalists. Hamilton and the Federalists wanted a ruling national government.

4 posted on 05/01/2017 2:00:16 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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Mr. President, signing a budget that funds planned parenthood slaughter and does not fund the wall, might just give you a civil war.

Sir, your name is Donald John Trump, not bush 45.

5 posted on 05/01/2017 2:00:42 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)
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To: detective

The Secessionists of 1776 won.

6 posted on 05/01/2017 2:00:43 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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To: detective

Trump is far more knowledgeable regarding U.S. history than the media.

***********

That may be, but methinks he comments and opines on too many things and that often feeds the media with quotes that allow them to ridicule him. Why constantly invite controversy? He should learn that less can be more.

Just my 2 cents.

7 posted on 05/01/2017 2:05:58 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: detective

Trump could say things a little smoother but once again he will expose how ignorant and biased the media really is..

10 posted on 05/01/2017 2:11:57 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: detective

the wrong side won in 1865

some bad generals , poor political leadership

can we have a do over?

13 posted on 05/01/2017 2:16:40 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse (America First !)
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To: detective

Correct. No Jackson fan here, but he made it clear he would send in troops if SC seceded. If the rest of the South had seceded, the Union likely would have won sooner as South would have been much weaker economically and its officers like Lee wouldn’t have had Mexican War experience.

17 posted on 05/01/2017 2:22:46 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: detective

Jefferson Davis was not the brightest on the block. His army in Kentucky was split three ways with 3 generals independently in charge; reporting to no one. They did not have an objective.

Heaven help us had the south won. And, I am a southerner.

21 posted on 05/01/2017 2:32:38 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Parroting fake news is highly profitable for some.)
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Jagged Jim posted:

But Trump is far more knowledgeable regarding U.S. history than the media.

quote:

Were the states mere vassals of the very national government that they created, or did they have an equal say in deciding what is Constitutional.

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To: detective

Correct. No Jackson fan here, but he made it clear he would send in troops if SC seceded. If the rest of the South had seceded, the Union likely would have won sooner as South would have been much weaker economically and its officers like Lee wouldn’t have had Mexican War experience.

17 posted on 05/01/2017 2:22:46 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

He understands what's happening he just needs to draw the right conclusion.

SocketWrench posted:

Lol, speaking of history, there was this little skirmish with the Brits during Jackson's military career and it should tell you all you need to know about the US military preparedness.