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Danger posted:Also the diner sequence is like an explicit quote of American Graffiti. But American Graffiti came out in 1973, this is supposed to be a galaxy far far away?!?!?! 
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Basebf555 posted:But American Graffiti came out in 1973, this is supposed to be a galaxy far far away?!?!?! If anything American Graffiti is quoting Episode 2, since it happened first
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Lord Hydronium posted:What do you feel is wrong, that the PT tried something new, or that TFA didn't? (I'm not sure anyone says that about the OT, nor would it make sense.) lmao you revere CGI turds as high as actually magical and emotional moments from the OT who are you loving people
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May 1, 2017 19:04
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Danger posted:And, I mean, they are like explicitly made more children. Lucas has been vocal about that since first making Star Wars. This isn't an excuse to make a bad movie, and this is what I take issue with the most in these discussions. Lord Hydronium posted:I feel like I just read a Markov chain of prequel complaints. That was more or less the point of the exercise. People in general don't like or remember these films because they're poorly constructed cinema, in contrary to the "only nerds hate these films" argument that people keep making for some reason. It's just a wash of "what?" and "huh?" for 2 hour chunks that don't really do anything interesting. Hell, I actually prefer the Prequels for all their flaws to Force Awakens & Rogue One because they at least tried to be original, but I digress from this ideal that "only nerds hate these movies" or that they're somehow actually good movies even though they have massive, glaring flaws in how they're constructed and their internal logic. homullus posted:"Prequel memes" became a thing because nerds are dumb and hyper-conservative about their nerd intellectual properties. Nothing must change their precious, the precious must live forever and generate new content while conforming to their headcanon. They're a fun and entertaining collective exercise in deconstructing a series of films with a fillet knife and pulling sweet, sweet strips of comedy out of schlock like "your lightsaber will make a fine addition to my collection."
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A third of those are just things listed without context that I guess we're supposed to hate, a third are misunderstood plot points, and a third are tactical realism complaints.
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Schwarzwald posted:About half of that doesn't happen. Well; Palpatine being Plagueis' apprentice was a Legends thing. I'm not 100% sure if it's still canonical or not.
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May 1, 2017 19:07
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So if I understand, the Star Wars timeline is as follows: The Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones > Revenge of the Sith > Rouge One > Star Wars > Empire Strikes Back > Return of the Jedi > The Force Awakens > The Last Jedi > The Hidden Fortress > The Searchers > A Fistful of Dollars > Metropolis > THX 1138 > American Graffiti > A New Hope Is this right?
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i think its really awesome that the nerd religion of star wars has its own council of nicea on what is and isn't canon. The Board Room Of Hollywood of 2015 determined that hundreds of thousands of nerds wasted their time reading dime store trash novels
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Raxivace posted:So if I understand, the Star Wars timeline is as follows: Yes, but Red Tails happens right before A New Hope.
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May 1, 2017 19:09
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Phi230 posted:lmao you revere CGI turds as high as actually magical and emotional moments from the OT The prequels had some of the best miniature work of all time. There was some astounding work done on them. Taintrunner posted:This isn't an excuse to make a bad movie, and this is what I take issue with the most. Again, there's nothing wrong with being a children's movie or made for children. No one is saying it's an excuse. Just that Lucas set out to explicitly make films for children. It is a nice perk that the pre-quels are pretty darn good movies.
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Phi230 posted:i think its really awesome that the nerd religion of star wars has its own council of nicea on what is and isn't canon. The Board Room Of Hollywood of 2015 determined that hundreds of thousands of nerds wasted their time reading dime store trash novels The Lucasfilm Story Group is its own entity; not part of "Hollywood 2015" or whatever. And Legends is still a timeline that exists to be read and enjoyed; that time wasn't "wasted".
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Phi230 posted:i think its really awesome that the nerd religion of star wars has its own council of nicea on what is and isn't canon. The Board Room Of Hollywood of 2015 determined that hundreds of thousands of nerds wasted their time reading dime store trash novels Only dummies listen to those nerds.
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Phi230 posted:i think its really awesome that the nerd religion of star wars has its own council of nicea on what is and isn't canon. The Board Room Of Hollywood of 2015 determined that hundreds of thousands of nerds wasted their time reading dime store trash novels Oh god, even better, the "Lucasfilm Story Group" is now micromanaging a whole new EU that is almost entirely dry and soulless schlock, like, "what if Vader had to fight a whole bunch of weirdos to keep his job after A New Hope," and uh "C-3PO's red arm has a super long and convoluted story behind it." So now they have to buy a whole new set of dime store trash novels, including a new Thrawn book!
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Raxivace posted:So if I understand, the Star Wars timeline is as follows: You got it!
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May 1, 2017 19:12
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Rogue One was memorable if only for how loving terrifying it made the Death Star seem. I do agree that I can't really remember the major set pieces of TFA though.
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Attack of the Clones alone had more miniatures than the entire original trilogy put together.
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Taintrunner posted:Oh god, even better, the "Lucasfilm Story Group" is now micromanaging a whole new EU that is almost entirely dry and soulless schlock, like, "what if Vader had to fight a whole bunch of weirdos to keep his job after A New Hope," and uh "C-3PO's red arm has a super long and convoluted story behind it." So now they have to buy a whole new set of dime store trash novels, including a new Thrawn book! Phantom Limb was a single 40 page comic book. That's hardly "long and convoluted"
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Phi230 posted:lmao you revere CGI turds as high as actually magical and emotional moments from the OT Taintrunner posted:schlock like "your lightsaber will make a fine addition to my collection."
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May 1, 2017 19:17
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"But the CGI" is the Star Wars equivalent of "but her emails"
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Grrr, movie for kids bad! Me angry! Storgroup say book I read not canon!? Grr! It like entertainment retroactively taken away! Grr! Star Wars bad!
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May 1, 2017 19:19
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Serf posted:Only dummies listen to those nerds. oh gently caress a schism
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Lord Hydronium posted:It's 2017 and you're complaining about CGI. What's that shot even supposed to be?
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May 1, 2017 19:20
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apropos of nothing a friend of mine who is a huge fan of Knights of the Old Republic really wants me to play it. I own it but it's so old and it's in that awful transitional stage of being an early 3D game so it's barely playable. I enjoyed Dragon Age Origins which supposedly employs similar mechanics but trying to play through this game seems like a chore. I've sunk maybe an hour and a half into it, worth pressing on or no?
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May 1, 2017 19:21
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RBA Starblade posted:What's that shot even supposed to be? Slave I's bomb going off the Geonosis rings
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Taintrunner posted:Oh god, even better, the "Lucasfilm Story Group" is now micromanaging a whole new EU that is almost entirely dry and soulless schlock, like, "what if Vader had to fight a whole bunch of weirdos to keep his job after A New Hope," and uh "C-3PO's red arm has a super long and convoluted story behind it." So now they have to buy a whole new set of dime store trash novels, including a new Thrawn book! Ah yes, the Dime Store Trash Reformation
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Xibanya posted:apropos of nothing a friend of mine who is a huge fan of Knights of the Old Republic really wants me to play it. I own it but it's so old and it's in that awful transitional stage of being an early 3D game so it's barely playable. I enjoyed Dragon Age Origins which supposedly employs similar mechanics but trying to play through this game seems like a chore. I've sunk maybe an hour and a half into it, worth pressing on or no? Meh, it's awakward. Like, people praise the story and characters..but its bioware. Play Mass Effect instead as a Biotic and you got a better experience that pretty up matches up. Seriously, who wants to the play the d20 system in video game form? Also, anyone who thinks Revan is a "deep and amazing" character forgets that Revan has LITERALLY no personality: he is a blank slate the player defines.
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Taintrunner posted:Which reminds me, when Palpatine orders Anakin to brutally decapitate an unarmed man (in a supposed children's film), Anakin faces no consequences from the Jedi council for committing a war crime. Or murdering children in the previous film. No one knows about these. Obi-Wan was unconscious when Anakin slew Dooku, and neither Anakin nor Palpatine is going to disclose the exact circumstances to the council. Going by the Clone Wars cartoon, Obi-Wan would probably just shrug it off anyway too, like "that's our Anakin!" as he shakes his head and goes, "tsk, tsk." And is Padme going to report Anakin's slaughter of the Tuskens? She only wants to protect him.
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Xibanya posted:apropos of nothing a friend of mine who is a huge fan of Knights of the Old Republic really wants me to play it. I own it but it's so old and it's in that awful transitional stage of being an early 3D game so it's barely playable. I enjoyed Dragon Age Origins which supposedly employs similar mechanics but trying to play through this game seems like a chore. I've sunk maybe an hour and a half into it, worth pressing on or no? DnD 3rd edition is trash, the setting is uninteresting, and it continues the weird codification of things that arent in the movies getting specific gameplay relevant definitions. Characters are Bioware.
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Taintrunner posted:That was more or less the point of the exercise. People in general don't like or remember these films because they're poorly constructed cinema, in contrary to the "only nerds hate these films" argument that people keep making for some reason. It's just a wash of "what?" and "huh?" for 2 hour chunks that don't really do anything interesting. Given that you're arguing based on memes and not the content of the films (which you admit you don't remember), I don't know how much you're helping your case that "only nerds hate these films." jivjov posted:Well; Palpatine being Plagueis' apprentice was a Legends thing. I'm not 100% sure if it's still canonical or not. I specified that it wasn't stated in the film. That's true regardless of if it's a Legends thing. Phi230 posted:i think its really awesome that the nerd religion of star wars has its own council of nicea on what is and isn't canon. The Board Room Of Hollywood of 2015 determined that hundreds of thousands of nerds wasted their time reading dime store trash novels I don't know if I'd call it awesome, but it is legitimately hilarious.
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RBA Starblade posted:What's that shot even supposed to be?
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I enjoyed my time with both the KOTOR games, but they definitely do their own thing.
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jivjov posted:Phantom Limb was a single 40 page comic book. That's hardly "long and convoluted" Hyperbole for comedic effect aside, the whole point was everyone dunked on the EU for riffing on the idea that every character or thing on-screen in Star Wars had a super long and intricate backstory behind it. Now Disney/Lucasfilm is doing the same thing again, but it's "canon." quote:Okay, so since you keep just bringing up random things and expecting everyone to know why you hate them, let's just pick this example. Why is it bad? Grievous is this absurdist robot character who can apparently easily dispatch Jedi (because Count Dooku taught him) by spinning 4 lightsabers really fast. He's silly and non-imposing, and the film doesn't portray him as this powerful and imposing character. Just compare how Vader strolls onto the blockade runner in A New Hope versus how Grevious is portrayed in Revenge of the Sith.   In the PT's shot-reverse-shot format, Grievous stretching his arms out on equal ground with Kenobi is somehow supposed to be imposing, and nobody else in the scene, Kenobi included, really reacts to this poo poo. Vader is almost always shown to be stoic, imposing, and taking up a lot of space without overextending himself. It's clear that Vader is dangerous, imposing, and holds the power advantage in any confrontation, just look at how he holds up his saber in one hand against Luke, who is flexing himself into a combat pose:  Schwarzwald posted:Given that you're arguing based on memes and not the content of the films (which you admit you don't remember), I don't know how much you're helping your case that "only nerds hate these films." I said people in general don't remember, I remember them. I also am saying "people in general do not like the Prequel Trilogy."
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Lord Hydronium posted:What jivjov said, and a video would probably have been better for the point since the animation and especially sound design are what make that moment. Yeah the sound of the seismic charge is really really good. I'm glad I finally got to experience that in a theater during the marathon
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hint: people like KOTOR because they were kids when they played it same reason people like the prequels
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Taintrunner posted:He's silly and non-imposing, and the film doesn't portray him as this powerful and imposing character.
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Taintrunner posted:Grievous is this absurdist robot character who can apparently easily dispatch Jedi (because Count Dooku taught him) by spinning 4 lightsabers really fast. He's silly and non-imposing, and the film doesn't portray him as this powerful and imposing character. Just compare how Vader strolls onto the blockade runner in A New Hope versus how Grevious is portrayed in Revenge of the Sith. Yes, Grievous and Darth Vader are two different characters. You haven't explained why Greivous is bad.
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Phi230 posted:hint: people like KOTOR because they were kids when they played it Wait, so you're saying that some people honestly enjoy the prequels and aren't just bullshitting to piss people off on the internet?
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Phi230 posted:hint: people like KOTOR because they were kids when they played it Much like the prequels, I go back to KOTOR occasionally and it remains pretty good.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Okay, then what makes you think he should be? He can slaughter Jedi and keeps their lightsabers as trophies? So shouldn't a Jedi like Kenobi react or act in a way that isn't clearly exposing himself and shouting "Hello there!" The confrontation between these characters doesn't show what the film is telling us to believe about these characters. In fact, that's the greatest crime - it largely tells without showing, i.e. Anakin being Obi-Wan's "good friend." They largely can't stand each other on-screen. Schwarzwald posted:Yes, Grievous and Darth Vader are two different characters. You haven't explained why Greivous is bad. I did, actually. The language of film (how Vader vs. Grievous are depicted within the frame of film) is not utilized to explain why this character, who is similar to the other character in that they easily dispatch of Jedi, the most powerful warriors in the galaxy, is threatening and imposing to our protagionists, Anakin and Obi-Wan, in any way. From shot construction to acting, Grievous is said to be a Jedi killer, but he is not shown to be a Jedi killer - by Anakin and Obi-Wan reacting in an appropriate manner for what we're supposed to believe about Grievous. Taintrunner fucked around with this message at 19:40 on May 1, 2017 |
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The prequels suck because GLucas couldn't direct an actor to save his life. PERIOD. Edit: KOTOR is just lovely Baldur's Gate II in 3D.
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