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I dunno, those are interesting points but I feel like that's a fairly limiting look at the genre. Is a comic about someone who has superpowers and occasionally fights aliens and ninjas a superhero comic even if the focus is on life between those events? How much does the world around them matter? I consider Lobo a superhero character, but would I even if he wasn't in a superhero world? What about a comic that takes an established superhero and examines them in a different context (I'm thinking Arkham Asylum, a horror comic that features Batman)? It's a large genre, and maybe its very name needs to be re-examined after decades of change and experimentation, but I feel like the turtles fit right in, right next to Daredevil and Batman.
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catlord posted:I dunno, those are interesting points but I feel like that's a fairly limiting look at the genre. Is a comic about someone who has superpowers and occasionally fights aliens and ninjas a superhero comic even if the focus is on life between those events? How much does the world around them matter? I consider Lobo a superhero character, but would I even if he wasn't in a superhero world? What about a comic that takes an established superhero and examines them in a different context (I'm thinking Arkham Asylum, a horror comic that features Batman)? It's a large genre, and maybe its very name needs to be re-examined after decades of change and experimentation, but I feel like the turtles fit right in, right next to Daredevil and Batman. Yeah that's why it's such an eternal argument. There's plenty of valid logic both ways. I usually just break it up by incarnation in my head. I don't think of the Mirage comic TMNT as superheroes, because they don't really go out of their way to do heroic actions on purpose. But the cartoon ones? Yeah probably. Gaz-L posted:I still maintain that the basic idea of adding a girl turtle to the mix is actually a pretty great concept. It was just done in the worst possible way (and I can honestly think of like a half-dozen ways to do it and still maintain the base idea of the TMNT). There were some decent ideas in that show but they were all executed terribly. The basic concepts behind the original villains are all at least...potentially decent. Venus defeats Shredder with ~shinobi magic~ or something early on which is kinda bullshit, but they had the very fleeting good-rear end idea later on of Shredder now being homeless and pathetic due to the foot falling apart and the TMNT have like two seconds of thought about if they should help him or forgive him or not but it's quickly forgotten. That could be a good story. But it wasn't!
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Like, it should be so easy to have a female Turtle. It's in the loving name of the franchise. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. For some reason Saban got stuck on the Ninja part (presumably so they could do the magic stuff and not have to worry about giving the girl character a sword or something), but just have her be a teenage girl from NYC, except she's also a turtle just like the boys. Or if you have to do the 'long-lost' thing, hey, maybe she wound up in Jersey or Queens and you can do the thing of the Manhattan kids looking down on the Jersey girl to get some comedy/dramatic tension. (Though that does make it harder to use the cheesiest idea I had, which is splitting Mikey's name so you don't gently caress with the Renaissance theme: Michael and Angela.) It's SO easy that every time I see or hear about that show, it makes me a little mad. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 03:24 on May 2, 2017 |
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Gaz-L posted:Like, it should be so easy to have a female Turtle. It's in the loving name of the franchise. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. For some reason Saban got stuck on the Ninja part (presumably so they could do the magic stuff and not have to worry about giving the girl character a sword or something), but just have her be a teenage girl from NYC, except she's also a turtle just like the boys. Or if you have to do the 'long-lost' thing, hey, maybe she wound up in Jersey or Queens and you can do the thing of the Manhattan kids looking down on the Jersey girl to get some comedy/dramatic tension. (Though that does make it harder to use the cheesiest idea I had, which is splitting Mikey's name so you don't gently caress with the Renaissance theme: Michael and Angela.) It's loving insulting that the four original turtles are named after artists and when they had a female ninja turtle she was named after a famous work of art.
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Skwirl posted:It's loving insulting that the four original turtles are named after artists and when they had a female ninja turtle she was named after a famous work of art. When I first had that idea I actually tried to do some research to see if there was a contemporary of Donatello et al that would've worked, but it's depressingly hard to find well-known female European painters from that era.
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Gaz-L posted:When I first had that idea I actually tried to do some research to see if there was a contemporary of Donatello et al that would've worked, but it's depressingly hard to find well-known female European painters from that era. So go to a different era, name her Frida for gently caress sake if you have to. The Venus de Milo is further removed from Donatello et al than Yoko Ono. Edit: fame is also incredibly relative. The only reason I know Donatello and Raphael are artists is because they're also ninja turtles. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 04:07 on May 2, 2017 |
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Skwirl posted:The only reason I know Donatello and Raphael are artists is because they're also ninja turtles. This but for all 4 of them and for 90% of people.
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Going back to Smallville, didn't have a strong mandate to never be truely a comic book show? Yea characters, places and situations would resemble stuff from the comics but never put Clark in the suit or ever call him Superman or do anything that could make think this was a based on dumbass comic books. Obviously relaxed later because they had, albeit briefly, 90s Starman on looking exactly like he did, even if they called him the Star Spangled Kid.
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Rhyno posted:This but for all 4 of them and for 90% of people. I think almost half of people would kinda sorta know who Leonardo Da Vinci was without ninja turtles.
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twistedmentat posted:Going back to Smallville, didn't have a strong mandate to never be truely a comic book show? Yea characters, places and situations would resemble stuff from the comics but never put Clark in the suit or ever call him Superman or do anything that could make think this was a based on dumbass comic books. My crack about Clark was how he's a terrible loving person in that show. Byut you should ask Rhyno, he's the expert.
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twistedmentat posted:Going back to Smallville, didn't have a strong mandate to never be truely a comic book show? Yea characters, places and situations would resemble stuff from the comics but never put Clark in the suit or ever call him Superman or do anything that could make think this was a based on dumbass comic books. The first show runners had a strict no flying no suit policy, and then the main actor did not want to ever get in the suit so it had comic book stuff but could not go all the way.
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twistedmentat posted:Going back to Smallville, didn't have a strong mandate to never be truely a comic book show? Yea characters, places and situations would resemble stuff from the comics but never put Clark in the suit or ever call him Superman or do anything that could make think this was a based on dumbass comic books. Those episodes of Smallville still bother me due to Geoff Johns writing a live action stand in for his dead sister into the show. Skwirl posted:I think almost half of people would kinda sorta know who Leonardo Da Vinci was without ninja turtles. I am constantly reminded how stupid America is. I stand by my numbers. Skwirl posted:My crack about Clark was how he's a terrible loving person in that show. Byut you should ask Rhyno, he's the expert. But I don't wanna be the expert!
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Rhyno posted:But I don't wanna be the expert! Rhyno posted:HAHAHAHAHA I WATCHED EVERY SINGLE EPISODE OF SMALLVILLE OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE You brought this on yourself.
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Gaz-L posted:When I first had that idea I actually tried to do some research to see if there was a contemporary of Donatello et al that would've worked, but it's depressingly hard to find well-known female European painters from that era. Sophie Campbell, who has done official TMNT issues before, has a fan comic using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_Gentileschi for a girl turtle name. Skwirl posted:I think almost half of people would kinda sorta know who Leonardo Da Vinci was without ninja turtles. I like that they didn't name Donatello after Da Vinci, since it would "make sense". If you had 4 kids to name, you don't know which one's gonna grow up to be the smart one, after all.
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Skwirl posted:You brought this on yourself. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING
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Rhyno posted:I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING Are you expressing your feelings on watching Smallville, or are you quoting practically every character from Smallville?
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Only the first 3 seasons of Smallville actually take place. The rest is inside the mind of a severely brain damaged Lana Lang.
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My brother used to have an official Bibleman tie-in Bible. Probably still have it somewhere.
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Rhyno posted:But I have now seen every episode of pretty much every super hero show ever. Humbug Scoolbus posted:Gemini Man
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Hey WGA got a deal done with the studios. No strike!
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If the Sentinel counts, do Time Trax and Viper count? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJSzJVrPcno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfBmqLSRzWU ToastyPotato fucked around with this message at 15:27 on May 2, 2017 |
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zoux posted:Hey WGA got a deal done with the studios. No strike!  did they get what they wanted?
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Here's their statement quote:May 2, 2017
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History Channel has a brand-spankin-new series now called Superheroes Decoded that goes into the history/creation/pop climate of superfolk, and there are lots of interviews with writers like Christopher Priest, Gail Simone, Claremont, etc. There's an obvious tilt towards characters that have appeared in movies/tv so they can show clips, but it's still pretty good. Only 2 episodes so far. (edit: oh, it's only the two episodes) http://www.history.com/shows/superheroes-decoded redbackground fucked around with this message at 17:52 on May 2, 2017 |
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zoux posted:Here's their statement Good for the WGA, honestly I'm more than a little surprised the producers acquiesced on so many of the union's demands with so little fuss. I was fully expecting a strike of some length, even if just for a couple of days.
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Very brief Daredevil season 3 teaser: https://www.facebook.com/Daredevil/videos/1313753868702734/
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notthegoatseguy posted:Very brief Daredevil season 3 teaser: https://www.facebook.com/Daredevil/videos/1313753868702734/ That's for Defenders.
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zoux posted:Here's their statement So how does that translate to streaming TV? SVOD might qualify for that? Is it under the Pay TV umbrella? I just don't know?!??!
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Shageletic posted:So how does that translate to streaming TV? SVOD might qualify for that? Is it under the Pay TV umbrella? I just don't know?!??! quote:roughly $15 million in increases in High-Budget SVOD residuals Dunno what qualifies as high-budget tho 
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notthegoatseguy posted:Very brief Daredevil season 3 teaser: https://www.facebook.com/Daredevil/videos/1313753868702734/ "Hey guys! Remember all that stuff that made season 2 a drag? Have some more of it!"
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:But Elektra and the Hand were the parts I liked... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHoNWwhzh3M
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:But Elektra and the Hand were the parts I liked... You put this horrible opinion here to be read by my own two eyes
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:But Elektra and the Hand were the parts I liked... No, you're wrong.
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Light Gun Man posted:Yeah that's why it's such an eternal argument. There's plenty of valid logic both ways. I usually just break it up by incarnation in my head. I don't think of the Mirage comic TMNT as superheroes, because they don't really go out of their way to do heroic actions on purpose. But the cartoon ones? Yeah probably. Look, the jingle says "heroes in a half-shell" and jingles don't lie. QED.
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HIJK posted:"Hey guys! Remember all that stuff that made season 2 a drag? Have some more of it!" Mystical ninja stuff rules and is a core part of daredevil and will never go away, season 2 just executed it badly.
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I liked Elektra and I'm looking forward to more of her, suk iiiiiiiiit
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I didn't dislike the Hand or The Punisher stuff in Season 2, I just didn't think they knew how to end either, or how to draw both stories together.
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