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precision posted:I've never really had anyone coherently explain to me what it is about MOBAs that is enjoyable. Do you find RTSs fun? It's like the beginner version of one of those. But the trade off for not having to control anything is that most of the game is obviously out of your control.
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precision posted:I've never really had anyone coherently explain to me what it is about MOBAs that is enjoyable. Brain damage, and they aren't. And I say that as someone who plays mobas.
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precision posted:I've never really had anyone coherently explain to me what it is about MOBAs that is enjoyable. I like shooting the poo poo with my friends over voice chat while we play as neat-looking characters and fighting against AI. I am not the typical MOBA player given that I prefer playing against AI because I recognize I'm not actually good enough to go against humans and the fun I have is using the game as a kind of fun conversation thing with friends.
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May 2, 2017 16:42
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I guess the NDA on Quake Champions is up. The shooting looks like Quake but the gun models are insanely ugly and theres 3 different kinds of currnecy and loot boxes and 8 layers of unnecessary bullshit on top, thankfully. Gotta love modern gaming!
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May 2, 2017 16:43
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I will probably play it though because it will be free and its fun to frag.
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May 2, 2017 16:44
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Cromartie High School is another really good anime (make sure to watch the dub)
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May 2, 2017 16:46
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precision posted:I've never really had anyone coherently explain to me what it is about MOBAs that is enjoyable. They aren't enjoyable. Gamers are just brain damaged people.
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May 2, 2017 16:48
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Revolutionary Girl Utena is cool and good Tatami Galaxy continues to be my favorite tho
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May 2, 2017 16:47
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In Training posted:I guess the NDA on Quake Champions is up. The shooting looks like Quake but the gun models are insanely ugly and theres 3 different kinds of currnecy and loot boxes and 8 layers of unnecessary bullshit on top, thankfully. Gotta love modern gaming! So what are the 8 layers?
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May 2, 2017 16:47
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Heroes, Abilities, Cosmetics, Crafting, Daily Missions, etc.
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May 2, 2017 16:49
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MOBAs let you be a terrible human being to people on and off your team at the same time for 40 minutes and no one is allowed to leave. It's truly amazing.
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May 2, 2017 16:49
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Macarius Wrench posted:Well, any suggestions? If you enjoy sci-fi and politicking in a show that kind of predicted a bunch of the political poo poo going on in the last decade like two decades beforehand, Legend of the Galactic Heroes is one of the best shows of all time, animated or otherwise. It also has one of the oldest threads on the entire SA forums. edit: it's got one of my favorite characters of anything, Yang Wenli. This is one of my favorite scenes in the show. 
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May 2, 2017 16:50
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The only reason why I play HotS is just to dress up my pretty princess Blizzard characters, and I'd rather if you could just select 5 of them at a time to play the matches for you like the war table missions in WoW.
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May 2, 2017 16:50
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Quake Champions got me to remember Quake Live still exists.
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In Training posted:I guess the NDA on Quake Champions is up. The shooting looks like Quake but the gun models are insanely ugly and theres 3 different kinds of currnecy and loot boxes and 8 layers of unnecessary bullshit on top, thankfully. Gotta love modern gaming! That sucks. :/ I miss the days of Quake 2 when people were making tons of mods. I wish someone would bring that back. I guess Epic Games is trying to do that with the new Unreal Tournament but I have no idea what the status of that title is at.
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May 2, 2017 16:51
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Dr Cheeto posted:Quake Champions got me to remember Quake Live still exists. I like Quake Live a lot but the population is really low. I hope Champions has server browser and mod support...but it probably won't...
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May 2, 2017 16:52
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Saint Freak posted:Do you find RTSs fun? It's like the beginner version of one of those. But the trade off for not having to control anything is that most of the game is obviously out of your control. I guess that's why I find it so baffling that I can't figure out what's supposed to be fun about them, because I really like RTS campaign modes. I even like SC2's campaign, though the Human part is way too basic and boring for way too long. Zerg and Protoss campaigns are super fun though still not as fun as Frozen Throne's campaign
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May 2, 2017 16:54
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precision posted:I've never really had anyone coherently explain to me what it is about MOBAs that is enjoyable. Its the power curve. When you have a great match of dota 2 you feel kind of god like yet when you have a poor one you feel so fragile. I'm terms of sheer dopamine activation no game comes close to going ham in dota 2 and feeling unstoppable. Conversely most other games dont have that kind of buzz. Horizon is very pretty but there is no buzz. Diablo hits the dopamine with its loot being drip fed to you but its just not that big a hit. I could totally get someone playing a game or 2 of dota and outright hating it, i felt that way after my first game 5 years ago and didn't pay again for a month but i came back and while the hits are extremely gratifying, the lows are the worst moments I've had playing videogames Add to that that a couple of my real life friends play occasional matches with me and the captivating professional scene and joy of watching the game being played at a high level and that's why i like games like Dota 2.
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May 2, 2017 16:53
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You get that exact same feeling from any competitive multiplayer game and you don't need to waste 1+ hour of your life every time at a chance of that feeling in other games where matches are 5 minutes long.
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May 2, 2017 16:55
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Personally I only get that multiplayer rush from 1v1 games, once teammates are involved then it's impossible to analyze the full extent of why you won/lost. I also think listening to grown men become upset over Mumble because their video game waifus are dying is about the most pathetic thing all of in human existence.
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May 2, 2017 16:59
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Macarius Wrench posted:Its the power curve. When you have a great match of dota 2 you feel kind of god like yet when you have a poor one you feel so fragile. I'm terms of sheer dopamine activation no game comes close to going ham in dota 2 and feeling unstoppable. Fighting games are pretty intense
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May 2, 2017 17:00
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I'm going back in my time machine to destroy crafting, mobas and pixel art
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May 2, 2017 17:01
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In Training posted:You get that exact same feeling from any competitive multiplayer game and you don't need to waste 1+ hour of your life every time I don't. First person shooters just do not click with me on any even semi skilled kind of level. Even Starcraft bores me after half a dozen matches. Rocket League is fantastic but again after 20 minutes I'm done. Yeah the match length is maybe a negative for some but that's dota for you. Also dont like the notion that its a waste. The opportunity cost is only things that I would otherwise do in my leisure time which is mostly videogames which are all a waste of time really.
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May 2, 2017 17:03
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precision posted:I've never really had anyone coherently explain to me what it is about MOBAs that is enjoyable. I think this is different for different people and different mobas. League is more accessible and shorter than Dota, so it captures that "play with your friends as a team" feeling that the gaming industry has mostly abandoned. League also has plenty of skill shots that give you instant gratification. Dota really rewards awareness and knowledge more than flat out skill on the pub level which is why i have 2500+ hours in it. I feel less like I played better when I win and more like I played smarter. Smite is kind of inbetween the two, at least when i last played. They also have a lot of variety. Even with dotas one map, it would take 60k people playing 24/7 roughly 4 trillion years to play matches with every combination of hero, let alone skill builds, item builds, and farm priority. Assuming i didnt terribly gently caress up my math.
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exquisite tea posted:Personally I only get that multiplayer rush from 1v1 games, once teammates are involved then it's impossible to analyze the full extent of why you won/lost. I also think listening to grown men become upset over Mumble because their video game waifus are dying is about the most pathetic thing all of in human existence. Yeah but in 1v1 games you can't deflect all your failings onto random strangers, permanently forestalling any chances of personal growth
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May 2, 2017 17:06
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Help Im Alive posted:Fighting games are pretty intense I used to love fighting games man but i kinda fell off with them around soul calibur 2s release because i don't have anyone irl to go all voldo 420 on.
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May 2, 2017 17:05
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I like the warm fuzzies from when a team gels well together
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yeah but in 1v1 games you can't deflect all your failings onto random strangers, permanently forestalling any chances of personal growth Let us never forget the venerable origin of the MOBA: Warcraft 3 for people who couldn't handle controlling more than one unit.
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precision posted:I guess that's why I find it so baffling that I can't figure out what's supposed to be fun about them, because I really like RTS campaign modes. I even like SC2's campaign, though the Human part is way too basic and boring for way too long. Zerg and Protoss campaigns are super fun though still not as fun as Frozen Throne's campaign Loads of people don't have either the coordination or the mental capacity to play those games. DotA2 has a feature that will let you not just spectate a player in a game, but straight up see their screen/where they are looking/where their mouse is/etc. and it doesn't take long at all to see people that can't even control the camera + 1 unit.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yeah but in 1v1 games you can't deflect all your failings onto random strangers, permanently forestalling any chances of personal growth You've never heard people say that their opponent is playing cheap overpowered stuff the wrong way? I envy you, friend!
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Fighting games and MOBAs are different and imo it is unfair to compare them on any level past surface level "these are things with esports communities" Fighting games have an emphasis on learning a variety of different moves and using a very limited space to use your moves and exploit your enemy's openings. MOBAs are more about a team of people working out how best to tack a separate team of people and trying to find some degree of order in the chaos likely to follow. You have a larger area to work with and different roles the player can take in helping the team and there is an emphasis on being able to cripple the enemy team without necessarily harming the enemy directly.
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exquisite tea posted:Let us never forget the venerable origin of the MOBA: Warcraft 3 for people who couldn't handle controlling more than one unit. This implies that Warcraft 3 required you to use more than one unit most of the time, which is false.
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May 2, 2017 17:14
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:You've never heard people say that their opponent is playing cheap overpowered stuff the wrong way? I envy you, friend! Yeah but now you get to blame the 4 other people on your team and your 5 opponents for picking bad/OP heroes! That's like 9 whole more degrees of separation between you and admitting you're bad at video games.
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Nasgate posted:This implies that Warcraft 3 required you to use more than one unit most of the time, which is false. Son I averaged 150 APM back in the day, those Huntresses don't mass themselves you know.
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exquisite tea posted:Yeah but now you get to blame the 4 other people on your team and your 5 opponents for picking bad/OP heroes! That's like 9 whole more degrees of separation between you and admitting you're bad at video games. The degrees of seperation don't make it any more or less likely that a player is gonna offload the blame to someone or something else, that's just a consequence of who the player is.
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exquisite tea posted:Yeah but now you get to blame the 4 other people on your team and your 5 opponents for picking bad/OP heroes! That's like 9 whole more degrees of separation between you and admitting you're bad at video games. IMO the people who would do that would never admit they were screwing up in the first place so it doesn't really matter what game they're playing. Lots of multiplayer communities for games are lovely. MOBAs I guess might be more vocal, idk, but their worst don't seem any worse than any other competitive game group's worst people. At the end of the day, people find it fun and entertaining, and it is ok to not understand why people would find it fun, but at the end of the day there are people that are clearly having fun with it so it doesn't really matter how much a person claims the genre isn't fun and everyone who has fun with it is wrong. They're having fun with it so whatevs.
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Can somebody explain the whole Fate/Stay Night series. As a fan of Persona and fake history, would I like it? All I know about it is some vague memory of the PM (pre-meme) era 4chan Unlimited Blade Works joke.
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FirstAidKite posted:Cromartie High School is another really good anime (make sure to watch the dub) Cromartie and One Punch Man are probably the only anime series I've enjoyed watching in like, the last decade. Inferno Cop is also pretty good, but not really for the same reasons. It's basically Axe Cop the animated series... though "animated" might be pushing it a bit. 
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exquisite tea posted:Son I averaged 150 APM back in the day, those Huntresses don't mass themselves you know. A large mass of huntresses hmmm? Be a shame if they got hit with a firestorm/blizzard/other stupid powerful spell.
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Dr Cheeto posted:The degrees of seperation don't make it any more or less likely that a player is gonna offload the blame to someone or something else, that's just a consequence of who the player is. They just end up hollering about wallhax or lag or whatever in my experience.
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