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Mr. Lobe posted:seriously, what's with all the bad analysis in this thread? I just meant that in today's world of extreme economic disparity, the class divides are less useful from a purely rhetorical shorthand point, not that they don't exist or whatever what our labour is and isn't worth and stuff is obviously causing a lot of confusion itt, which is basically what I was talking about
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May 2, 2017 18:36
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May 2, 2017 18:50
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cat doter posted:I just meant that in today's world of extreme economic disparity, the class divides are less useful from a purely rhetorical shorthand point, not that they don't exist or whatever The ruling class of our society is made up entirely of people who profit from the labor of other people. Thus, they have class interests diametrically opposed to those of most people in this world. Understanding this is vital to any kind of analysis that can be used as the basis for effective political action. Bullshit petty bourgeois people who make lots of money and other varieties of sycophants may have sympathies aligned with the ruling class, but it has always been the cause that the haute bourgeois is the single and greatest enemy of human welfare. It is because they control the vast majority of the world's wealth and the means of production.
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May 2, 2017 18:54
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Y'all cultural appropriation is just commodification with an extra topping of colonialism. It is not useful and continually sends our anger at workers: artists, instead of the owners who make money off of their work.
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May 2, 2017 18:55
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Cultural appropriation is very useless as a theory both in terms of what insight it sheds (none) and what corrective steps it recommends (attack other workers)
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May 2, 2017 18:58
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May 2, 2017 19:00
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Mr. Lobe posted:The ruling class of our society is made up entirely of people who profit from the labor of other people. Thus, they have class interests diametrically opposed to those of most people in this world. Understanding this is vital to any kind of analysis that can be used as the basis for effective political action. Bullshit petty bourgeois people who make lots of money and other varieties of sycophants may have sympathies aligned with the ruling class, but it has always been the cause that the haute bourgeois is the single and greatest enemy of human welfare. It is because they control the vast majority of the world's wealth and the means of production. I get that and I don't think what I said (well, what I meant) is incompatible with that, I just mean that effectively we have the ruling class and everyone else, and to what degree everyone else is hosed depends on the level of economic disparity, and it's such a complex thing that distinctions like "lower middle class" vs "working class" at least in conversations like these, aren't very useful
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May 2, 2017 19:09
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Impermanent posted:Y'all cultural appropriation is just commodification with an extra topping of colonialism. It is not useful and continually sends our anger at workers: artists, instead of the owners who make money off of their work. yeah I'd agree, cultural appropriation as like a political idea tries to distance itself from the root cause, which is, as always, class
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May 2, 2017 19:12
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you guys are making me backslide into believing in liberal incrementalism
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May 2, 2017 19:33
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Chakan posted:the fact they have poor representation It's not like there was a casting call and auditions for the role of Host of Chapo Trap House. Felix, Matt, and Will were on an episode of Street Fight together and realized they had good chemistry. Brendan volunteered to be their producer, and Amber was their friend who let them record at her apartment. Complaining about the representation on Chapo is basically complaining that Will personally doesn't have enough black friends.
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May 2, 2017 19:33
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Bryter posted:I probably just find it difficult to think about class in American society without mapping the UK's class structure onto it, but I do think there are strong parallels. paul fussell's class: a guide through the american status system is a good enough primer, even if some of the references are dated
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May 2, 2017 19:33
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Ron Jeremy posted:I tried but the audio quality and what i felt as lack of excitement and personality turned me off. DC is Chapo, but take all the funny out and replace it with more leftism and the occasional jealous snipe at the DSA/Chapo complex. It's good if you want Serious Leftism For Serious People. Street Fight is Chapo But More Proletarian. Compare Chapo:  and SFR: 
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May 2, 2017 19:37
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I'm going to make a podcast but first i need to make sure I have the correct representation - this is not how the world actually works.
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May 2, 2017 19:40
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Guy Goodbody posted:Complaining about the representation on Chapo is basically complaining that Will personally doesn't have enough black friends. so close yet so far
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May 2, 2017 19:40
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I'm going to make a podcast but first i need to make sure I have the correct representation - this is not how the world actually works.
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May 2, 2017 19:42
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I tried listening to an episode of DC but there were minimum two dudes skyping in on a Chromebook from a toilet who stalled the conversation to stammer for five minutes before making an obvious point
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May 2, 2017 19:43
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Phone posted:cum town 2 Jizz Village
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May 2, 2017 19:41
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Cum 2 Town
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May 2, 2017 19:42
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:I tried listening to an episode of DC but there were minimum two dudes skyping in on a Chromebook from a toilet who stalled the conversation to stammer for five minutes before making an obvious point I didn't realize Matt and Virgil are on DC
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May 2, 2017 19:46
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Halloween Jack posted:Does liberal twitter have a podcast? hellbent, aka White Feminist Bloggers The Podcast
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May 2, 2017 19:47
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Phone posted:cum town 2 hell frogs to cum town I tried listening to it because I'm a podcast fiend but I generally was put off by how audibly unlistenable it was (skits in podcasts that aren't broken up are very hard for someone with auditory processing problems) as well as not being into the ironybro levels. I've had so many tangoes with leftist men who refuse to negotiate or interrogate larger social justice concepts outside of class issues and consistently hang onto leftover Something Awful-isms about how caring about stuff is for loser feminists like me.
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May 2, 2017 19:49
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May 2, 2017 19:50
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Chakan posted:The retard and autism stuff, the fact they have poor representation (Amber does work, but she's one person, and they don't often have minority guests). It's all stuff like that where the concerns/complaints are legitimate but they're not gonna stop me from listening. Fortunately there are other sources of leftist discussion so you don't have to get angry at them for being three white guys with an amazingly white podcast name forever. what exactly would you pushing real hard on that look like
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May 2, 2017 19:57
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Halloween Jack posted:Does liberal twitter have a podcast? Isn't Deray starting a podcast with the PSA network? Seems pretty much in line with the criteria.
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May 2, 2017 19:55
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discourse collective is good but no force on earth can convince me that people who poo poo on the dsa aren't closet tankies who want to keep the movement small enough that they get to keep holding court at their
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May 2, 2017 19:56
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Thaddius the Large posted:Isn't Deray starting a podcast with the PSA network? Seems pretty much in line with the criteria. Yup: Pod Save the People.
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May 2, 2017 19:56
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The Muppets On PCP posted:hell frogs to cum town
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May 2, 2017 19:59
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Pharmaskittle posted:what exactly would you pushing real hard on that look like Tweeting the words "cum town 2" over and over.
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May 2, 2017 19:59
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The Muppets On PCP posted:hell frogs to cum town You can try the Wide Left podcast maybe? The hosts definitely identify as leftist, and while I don't always agree on their takes (they think Hillary would have moved left as a President, which to put it mildly is generous as gently caress), they approach it from a super logical/debate nerd/stats heavy perspective. Definitely not irony bro, and very very different than Chapo, but might still scratch that podcast itch for you. They also spent a brief portion of last week's show on Bernie's struggles to convey his message beyond purely economic matters, so it seems up your alley.
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May 2, 2017 20:09
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Forums Terrorist posted:DC is Chapo, but take all the funny out and replace it with more leftism and the occasional jealous snipe at the DSA/Chapo complex. It's good if you want Serious Leftism For Serious People. Yeah the new street fight ep is about multilevel marketing, modern-day snake oil salesmen, payday loans/public banks, and quitting your job in spectacular fashion. It's actual American working class leftism, warts and all. There's very little inaccessible grad school jargon, just two real dirtbags struggling to get by and talking about burning it all down on the radio. Rhesus Pieces fucked around with this message at 20:15 on May 2, 2017 |
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May 2, 2017 20:12
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Guy Goodbody posted:It's not like there was a casting call and auditions for the role of Host of Chapo Trap House. Felix, Matt, and Will were on an episode of Street Fight together and realized they had good chemistry. Brendan volunteered to be their producer, and Amber was their friend who let them record at her apartment. Complaining about the representation on Chapo is basically complaining that Will personally doesn't have enough black friends. Chapo is still young, but it isn't brand-new or tiny. I've been listening since May last year, I'm aware of how it started, but they're large enough to be actively seeking more people to speak with that aren't white dudes. The episodes on Mexican students being disappeared and Nike feminism are both fantastic and I would love for them to do more stuff like that. I'm not saying for a second that "recent episodes are poo poo because they don't have black women replacing Will and Felix" but they're going through growing pains transitioning from a trio of dudes using youtube to record their opinions to one of the largest podcasts in the world. Re: what would it look like if I was pushing for them to change their name. I was really just noting that I wish it was different, as someone asked what criticisms people had. It's not really material so I put it in spoilers. I promise if I cared enough to do anything it would probably be to send felix dms of my feet with a note that says "change your podcast name to get more."
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May 2, 2017 20:26
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chapo trap house is such a great name though because everyone i mention it to wants to know more about it. gotta have a weird, catchy name
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May 2, 2017 20:52
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2 cum 2 town is a good name too
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May 2, 2017 20:57
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:Jizz Village Semen City.
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May 2, 2017 20:57
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I do miss the interesting political discussions followed by silly bullshit format. I feel like they've been leaning on the silly bullshit pretty hard lately. Felix doing the French Diggler poo poo on the latest Adomian episode was so awful.
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May 2, 2017 20:58
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Chakan posted:Chapo is still young, but it isn't brand-new or tiny. I've been listening since May last year, I'm aware of how it started, but they're large enough to be actively seeking more people to speak with that aren't white dudes. The episodes on Mexican students being disappeared and Nike feminism are both fantastic and I would love for them to do more stuff like that. I'm not saying for a second that "recent episodes are poo poo because they don't have black women replacing Will and Felix" but they're going through growing pains transitioning from a trio of dudes using youtube to record their opinions to one of the largest podcasts in the world. They are pretty drat far from "largest podcast in the world" and are miles away from either most popular political or most popular comedy podcast.
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May 2, 2017 21:08
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I can't believe the 51st most popular podcast in iTunes' "News & Politics" section could be so thoughtless!
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May 2, 2017 21:12
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Counterpoint:
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Can someone explain to me the mindset of someone who is genuinely inspired by Hillary, without being a ghoul who has an obvious financial stake in it? The very thought of it is just so sad.
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