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Timby posted:It was kind of funny in Insurrection, when Piller decided that he didn't want to come up with some convoluted reason for Worf to be on the Enterprise, so he had Picard cut him off right when he was starting to explain why he was there. Although in Nemesis there's a cut line in the script in which he says at the Riker wedding that "the diplomatic life did not suit me," or something like that. Stuff like this is why the Lucas comparison irritates me. Gene Roddenberry is much more like Bob Kane. Kane created the basic idea of a superhero called Bat-Man, and then Bill Finger created every single thing you associate with Batman in 2017. Kane shoves Finger into obscurity, downplays his contributions, and claims everything was his idea from that start. Same with Roddenberry and Gene Coon. Bob Kane and Gene Roddenberry are peas in a pod.
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Man, what part of the internet do you frequent where all the nerds love Lucas rather than despise him for stupid reasons
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Man, what part of the internet do you frequent where all the nerds love Lucas rather than despise him for stupid reasons Have you read Star Wars threads (here or elsewhere) lately? People are calling the prequels good these days.
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May 2, 2017 20:32
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Sir Lemming posted:Kind of like Worf in the TNG movies after he was introduced on DS9. First they explicitly rescued him from the Defiant, but by Nemesis it was just like whatever, Worf is here Sash! posted:Riker just calls him up on the space-phone every once in a while just like "bro, we are going out tonight and YOU ARE COMING." Wesley: What are you even doing here? Worf: Commander Riker invited me to rent a living space in the basement. Wesley: But this is Geordi's house. Worf: *Hmph* In truth, I was invited to a holo-kegger...and I have yet to leave. Geordi has been kind enough not to turn off the basement replicator.
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May 2, 2017 20:40
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Stuff like this is why the Lucas comparison irritates me. Gene Roddenberry is much more like Bob Kane. Kane created the basic idea of a superhero called Bat-Man, and then Bill Finger created every single thing you associate with Batman in 2017. Kane shoves Finger into obscurity, downplays his contributions, and claims everything was his idea from that start. Same with Roddenberry and Gene Coon. Let's not exaggerate, though. Coon came up with a lot, but Roddenberry was responsible for much more than just the basic concept of "starship travels through space." Roddenberry's issue was that he couldn't stop sucking his own dick because he needed as much attention as humanly possible.
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May 2, 2017 20:43
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Railing Kill posted:Have you read Star Wars threads (here or elsewhere) lately? People are calling the prequels good these days. They tried to do something interesting, which is better than something like The Force Awakens.
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May 2, 2017 20:58
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I mean, Lucas has kind of just become the textbook example of "auteur who did his best work when surrounded by others" so it's the easiest analogy to make. There are certainly plenty of differences.
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May 2, 2017 21:02
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MrL_JaKiri posted:They tried to do something interesting, which is better than something like The Force Awakens. TFA was a necessary signaling to the fans that they knew what a Star Wars movie was supposed to be like. That way, when they deviate from it it's obviously because they chose to rather than because they suck
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May 2, 2017 21:06
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Railing Kill posted:Have you read Star Wars threads (here or elsewhere) lately? People are calling the prequels good these days. Nothing inside of CineD should be taken seriously (or read)
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May 2, 2017 21:08
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MrL_JaKiri posted:They tried to do something interesting, which is better than something like The Force Awakens. I guess making a ponderously-paced political plot, a romance, and a children's movie all at once, and failing at all of it, is pretty interesting, in the way that Birdemic is interesting. And don't get me wrong: I'm not saying TFA was great. But it was as competently-executed as it was unimaginative and safe. The prequel trilogy was a mess, and it doesn't matter what the intent was.
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I'm a big fan of doing something different, but having interesting and/or likable characters trumps that 99% of the time. I mean ideally you'll have both, but they don't weigh equally on my desire to watch something. If only they could somehow take Rogue One's space battle and replace TFA's Starkiller stuff with that. That'd pretty much be the perfect Star Wars movie.
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May 2, 2017 21:39
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Sir Lemming posted:Kind of like Worf in the TNG movies after he was introduced on DS9. First they explicitly rescued him from the Defiant, but by Nemesis it was just like whatever, Worf is here Maybe Worf is the POV character and he is fantasizing in the holo-suite, which would explain why the TNG movies are ludicrous action schlock.
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King Hong Kong posted:Maybe Worf is the POV character and he is fantasizing in the holo-suite, which would explain why the TNG movies are ludicrous action schlock. You'd think he could come up with better adversaries than the Son'a. Hipster_Doofus fucked around with this message at 22:44 on May 2, 2017 |
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May 2, 2017 22:39
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Hipster_Doofus posted:You'd think he could come up with better adversaries than the Son'a. Given that the best he could come up with other times on the holodeck are Skeletor rip-offs I'm not so sure.
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My sister posted this tweet and I guessed the episode in one try: https://twitter.com/sharteks/status/859258482238697472 Help.
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May 3, 2017 00:03
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Railing Kill posted:Have you read Star Wars threads (here or elsewhere) lately? People are calling the prequels good these days. Well yeah, a lot of kids who loved the phantom menace grew up. And there are tons of kids who loved the prequels and the cartoons as well as the OT. This shouldn't be surprising at all as the passage of time assures a new generation would experience star wars differently.
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CPColin posted:My sister posted this tweet and I guessed the episode in one try: The Offspring ?
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Whoa what the gently caress? What's up with geordi's beard in the outcast? Where did that come from?
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Kingtheninja posted:Whoa what the gently caress? What's up with geordi's beard in the outcast? Where did that come from? LeVar Burton liked it. The producers did not. They let him grow a beard a couple times in the later seasons, and at one point it's even remarked upon in the episode.
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Kingtheninja posted:Whoa what the gently caress? What's up with geordi's beard in the outcast? Where did that come from? It is a fine, distinguished beard.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The Offspring ? Correct! How do you feel?
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MrJacobs posted:Well yeah, a lot of kids who loved the phantom menace grew up. And there are tons of kids who loved the prequels and the cartoons as well as the OT. This shouldn't be surprising at all as the passage of time assures a new generation would experience star wars differently. And now they're able to discuss it in much greater quantity than the generation before them. They're differently abled, if you will.
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If the internet has taught me anything, it's that people's tastes don't magically mature when they hit drinking age. The kids who were young enough to think of the prequels as "star wars" are still pretty young and a lot of them will have completely reevaluated their opinions by the time it they start thinking about showing it to their own kids. So it goes. I was over the moon for ds9 as a kid and lovingly binged on it in college, but by my third watch through, the nostalgia had waned and I was finally able to recognize some of the flaws that had been there all along (still love it though). For TNG, I had the opposite experience. I remembered it being stiff and boring and technobabbly and was shocked by how many great episodes it had that were none of those things. I definitely appreciate TOS more too. Voyager was even worse than I remembered though.
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Duckbag posted:I was over the moon for ds9 as a kid and lovingly binged on it in college, but by my third watch through, the nostalgia had waned and I was finally able to recognize some of the flaws that had been there all along (still love it though). The Pah-Wraiths (everything about them).
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Railing Kill posted:I feel like I end up saying this every time George Lucas comes up: he can be both technically gifted and a god-awful writer/director. I don't think it's "revisionist history" to call his writing and directing dog poo poo, because it always was, even looking within the original trilogy. But I also don't think that precludes praising his technical achievements in visual effects. I didn't do that back there because I wasn't talking about visual effects, and no one else was either until it got dredged up in defense of Ol' Jorge. I was talking about writing, and Lucas absolutely sucks at that. Every Star Wars nerd has to get all up in arms and haul out all these technical merits every time someone has the nerve to question 40 years of nerd orthodoxy. If we accept that Gene fostered a cult of personality around himself, I'd like to know what we should call whatever all this poo poo is around George Lucas. Nerd Stockholm Syndrome? Yes to all of this. Which is exactly what I was saying at the beginning too until BUT ILM! happened.
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Railing Kill posted:Have you read Star Wars threads (here or elsewhere) lately? People are calling the prequels good these days. That's a small minority of folks who have driven out every other poster.
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dont even fink about it posted:That's a small minority of folks who have driven out every other poster. Pretty much, yeah. And I'm really not sure that they're not 90% troll.
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dont even fink about it posted:That's a small minority of folks who have driven out every other poster. MikeJF posted:Pretty much, yeah. And I'm really not sure that they're not 90% troll. That only accounts for SA. Elsewhere, there's people making up fan theories like that Jar Jar Binks was a Sith Lord, or The Ring Theory, just to retroactively retool the narrative so that it isn't dog poo poo. If anything is revisionist history, it's stuff like that. As MrJacobs pointed out, there's plenty of  young people that have latched onto the prequel trilogy and haven't yet come to the realization that every generation eventually does: that our tastes as children are terrible. For example, I have a ton of nostalgia for Ghostbusters II, but it isn't a good movie. I just had a tape of it at my house so I watched it so many times at the right age that GLOROUS VIGO, SCOURGE OF CARPATHIA burned itself into my consciousness. But at a certain point, I realized that it isn't very good. 90% of the stuff we loved as children is unwatchable garbage. The difference between that and all this Star Wars prequel stuff is that SW folks haven't yet turned that corner, and they may never do it because SW brand marketing is so ubiquitous with nostalgia fare.Staaaaaaaaar Trucks! ENT S3E12: "Chosen Realm" A little on-the-nose with the Space Terrorists there, Enterprise. Also, why do Starfleet vessels always let unknown guests wander around every part of the ship? The episode goes out of its way to show that Archer is distrustful of strangers in The Expanse, and rightly so, but then they are allowed to position themselves all over the ship ahead of their suicide bombings. Shouldn't the same guy that says, "meet them with a security team at the airlock, and make sure they're not armed" then say, "...and don't let them into engineering or anywhere else sensitive, you dummies."
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Railing Kill posted:Also, why do Starfleet vessels always let unknown guests wander around every part of the ship? The episode goes out of its way to show that Archer is distrustful of strangers in The Expanse, and rightly so, but then they are allowed to position themselves all over the ship ahead of their suicide bombings. Shouldn't the same guy that says, "meet them with a security team at the airlock, and make sure they're not armed" then say, "...and don't let them into engineering or anywhere else sensitive, you dummies." Yea, it's basically either "you are in the brig/confined to quarters" or "you have free run of the ship" with literally no inbetween, it's weird.
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Because everything in Starfleet is so over engineered that the door locks attained sapience and all had to be relocated to their own colony. Padlock-14 has a strict non-interventionist policy in organic affairs.
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Archer is dumb, that's why Like seriously, you are on a likely suicide mission to stop a mostly unknown race from blowing up Earth. Why are you taking the slightest chance?
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MikeJF posted:Pretty much, yeah. And I'm really not sure that they're not 90% troll. I admit it's fun to make snarky comments to prequel haters, but I really do like the prequels, and I always have. And I wasn't a young kid when I saw them; I was a college grad by the time Phantom Menace came out. There's stuff in them I don't like, and I don't enjoy them as much as I do the OT, but the haters almost to a man go out of their way to claim they're uniformly terrible and there's nothing of value in the PT, and that's just ridiculous hyperbole.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:I admit it's fun to make snarky comments to prequel haters, but I really do like the prequels, and I always have. And I wasn't a young kid when I saw them; I was a college grad by the time Phantom Menace came out. There's stuff in them I don't like, and I don't enjoy them as much as I do the OT, but the haters almost to a man go out of their way to claim they're uniformly terrible and there's nothing of value in the PT, and that's just ridiculous hyperbole. I mean, they do suck as movies in a lot of ways but do still have great bits. Their worst sin in my opinion is the same as Voyager: wasted potential. They could have been, and should have been so much better.
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Kazinsal posted:Probably one of Gene's fetishes Correct me if I'm wrong, but that story, according to part 2 of the Star Trek 50 book, involved Gene Roddenberry using an leprechaun impression to deliver that line. I might be thinking of a different extremely-inappropriate Roddenberry story.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but that story, according to part 2 of the Star Trek 50 book, involved Gene Roddenberry using an leprechaun impression to deliver that line. hahaha nope. 
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skasion posted:hahaha nope. "I hate bein' so much smarter than everyone around me as much as I hate seein' half me ex-wife's face when I look at me children! But the one thing I hold true to in this life is me love of [censored by CBS]." 
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Railing Kill posted:Have you read Star Wars threads (here or elsewhere) lately? People are calling the prequels good these days. If you talk like that, someone's sure to wander into this thread and start defending that absurd stance. 
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