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i mean, when i got to france i thought what you did. france elected a socialist, that's good right? pretty far left? turns out the socialist party of france is a bigger tent than the dem party. you have self-described hillary-style centrists like valls in the party, but you also had arch-lefties like melenchon in the party.
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shrike82 posted:Actually both Obama and his wife poll better than Sanders so good job? If only we had a sample size of someone running as Obama's third term just six months ago to find out.
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May 3, 2017 09:11
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I'm pretty au fait about France but thanks for telling me that the Socialist party isn't socialist. It's really too bad both Melenchon and Hamon being ultra-leftists and still losing to the dreaded neoliberal and actual fascist factions kinda makes the narrative that people are thirsty for leftism false.
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May 3, 2017 09:13
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shrike82 posted:I'm pretty au fait about France but thanks for telling me that the Socialist party isn't socialist. considering the left vote was split as all hell among a bunch of leftist parties, and the left is looking for a new home, i'm not terribly worried. the total left vote in the first round exceeded the aforementioned dreaded neoliberal macron. i'm just hopeful macron isn't as incompetent as hillary and doesn't lose to a fascist. then again, even if he lost to le pen he wouldn't be as incompetent as hillary, cause le pen is actually smart compared to trump and a lot more dangerous than he ever was. also, if you were curious, the socialist party isn't just no longer socialist. it's almost certainly dead now after being abandoned by all sides (but a tiny sliver of the left who still voted for hamon).
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May 3, 2017 09:16
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shrike82 posted:Looking at the approval ratings of Hollande versus Obama at the respective ends of their administration, that's false.  Are you trolling or something, earlier in this thread you were mocking the exact argument you're making now as out-of-touch coastal elitism. shrike82 posted:Personal anecdote about the Dems being intertwined with the professional/technocrat class (and consequently lost their way with the working class) -
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May 3, 2017 09:18
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Gee everyone likes Obama, what if we run an "Obama's third term" campaign and tell everyone America is already great.
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May 3, 2017 09:18
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*centrists are all lying snakes in the grass* heh heh kinda makes me question the narrative that people are thirsty for leftism  *continues to ignore the fact that obama campaigned as a progressive twice before reneging twice and the growing frustration of people worldwide as the people in power attempt to preserve the status quo*
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May 3, 2017 09:18
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"The Democrats may have been completely shut out of power on every level of government but Obama is still personally popular so we don't have to change anything. Checkmate leftists"
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May 3, 2017 09:19
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shrike, if you wanna argue that leftism lost to centrism, therefore no-one wants leftism, then it only stands to be true that since centrism lost to fascism, no-one wants centrism. both are worthless compared to fascism, which won bigly in 2016 with trump
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May 3, 2017 09:20
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Leftism has never been in power but we get to hide behind political purity. *Checkmate neoliberals* This accusation of centrism being a vote loser is kinda funny when leftism is on its way out across the globe except places like Venezuela or Greece. But I can't wait to hear how they're being unfairly maligned.
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May 3, 2017 09:22
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Okay so you're just trolling then because you did a 180 from your earlier opinion itt which was: bicoastal elite centrists doomed the party #berniewouldhavewon
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Known Leftist Gordon Brown sadly unable to keep his party relevant, if only a centrist would have come and saved him. Known Leftist Hillary Clinton. Known Leftist Holland. You're making a case for fascism, more than anything, because far-right strongman culture is the only thing in prominence around the world other than intense populist protests from South Korea to Italy.
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May 3, 2017 09:25
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Looking at leftists in Europol argue that they won't vote against Le Pen because they'll never vote for a neoliberal, I'm wondering who's ushering in fascism.
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shrike82 posted:Looking at leftists in Europol argue that they won't vote against Le Pen because they'll never vote for a neoliberal, I'm wondering who's ushering in fascism. You? shrike82 posted:I still think it's Clinton's election to lose but I'm happily going to cast a troll vote for Trump in November.
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May 3, 2017 09:29
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I voted for Abuela not expecting the Sanders voters to blow up the country so good job digging through my post before election day?
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May 3, 2017 09:31
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shrike82 posted:Leftism has never been in power but we get to hide behind political purity. more like unfairly attacked it's odd centrists continually forget about the coordinated campaigns to crush the left when they ask "well why isn't the left winning if people want leftism so much "shrike82 posted:Looking at leftists in Europol argue that they won't vote against Le Pen because they'll never vote for a neoliberal, I'm wondering who's ushering in fascism. neoliberals are supposed to be good at triangulating. targeting the political center and winning a plurality of votes is supposed to be their wheelhouse. why are they trying to shame people to vote for them instead of triangulating to a more appealing position that will win them victory?
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May 3, 2017 09:33
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I love that you're weaselling into arguing that you don't have to vote against the fascist. This poo poo really reeks of leftist myopia a la Weimar leftists and the Nazis. My precious ideological purity
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May 3, 2017 09:33
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My brand of politics is so great that it need only exceed the high bar of "isn't fascism." Wait, wait, why am I losing everywhere?
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shrike82 posted:I love that you're weaselling into arguing that you don't have to vote against the fascist. i don't think politicians are owed votes, i think they have to appeal to voters. sorry  if neoliberals, being the unbelievably popular politicians that they are can't attract enough voters, and refuse to triangulate towards a better position, then that's on them
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May 3, 2017 09:35
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shrike82 posted:I love that you're weaselling into arguing that you don't have to vote against the fascist. Weimar Germany had an active and arguably successful in the polls Communist party, and Hitler was granted the Chancellorship by the centrist and rightist parties out of fear of them dirty proles.
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May 3, 2017 09:38
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I really love this logic of, "Economic leftists don't really exist because if they were they'd have winning candidates. People want centrists. But those centrists keep losing to far-right candidates. Those far-right candidates can only win... because of those drat uncompromising leftists. Who don't exist and have no impact. Wait. gently caress."
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May 3, 2017 09:37
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A vote for fascism then, awesome. Stop pretending you're speaking for the good of the public then.
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May 3, 2017 09:38
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shrike82 posted:A vote for fascism then, awesome. no-one here's voting for fascism (aside from you it seems?) oh wait, you were just joking about voting for fascism.
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May 3, 2017 09:39
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shrike82 posted:A vote for fascism then, awesome. You're rather bad at this.
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May 3, 2017 09:38
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shrike82 posted:Join the DSA if you feel like you fall in that category.
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shrike82 posted:A vote for fascism then, awesome. The only one who's even come close to saying they'll vote for fascism here is you. The rest of your posting is just mindless contrarianism and should be ignored as such.
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May 3, 2017 09:38
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I love how leftists can't help themselves. Voting for Hillary literally made Trump the president whereas the Bernie voters like Condiv who didn't bother voting in the actual elections out of disgust were doing the morally right thing because they didn't owe anything to Abuela. Good job Condiv and I expect 8 years of Trump because you won't vote for Corey Booker in 2020.
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May 3, 2017 09:40
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shrike82 posted:Join the DSA if you feel like you fall in that category. this is a good idea regardless. you can hold membership in the DSA as well as the dem party and we need our own tea-party to start forcing the dems left
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May 3, 2017 09:40
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Kilroy posted:Okay will do. Get hosed. That's great! Finally someone actually doing what they profess and joining a leftist party.
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May 3, 2017 09:41
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shrike82 posted:A guy who slid into office on the death of a proto-neoliberal and lost to Nixon with the collapse of the New Deal coalition?
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shrike82 posted:I love how leftists can't help themselves. Voting for Hillary literally made Trump the president whereas the Bernie voters like Condiv who didn't bother voting in the actual elections out of disgust were doing the morally right thing because they didn't owe anything to Abuela. thanks. i was glad i didn't have to vote for hillary since i don't live in a swing state
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Like seriously did this clown just crow about people needing to learn history and then talk about the historic loss of LBJ to one Richard Milhous Nixon in an election that never happened? And none of you jumped on that? Yikes.
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Aah the Kaepernick defense.
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shrike82 posted:Good job Condiv and I expect 8 years of Trump because you won't vote for Corey Booker in 2020.
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shrike82 posted:Aah the Kaepernick defense. it's a good one. hillary wasn't gonna win my state, regardless of me voting for her or not. so why bother voting for the lesser of two evils when i can vote for someone who more closely aligns with me (gloria la riva)? also, i like kaepernick and i think it sucks the nation's turned against him for kneeling during the pledge. it doubly sucks that some dems have turned against him cause he didn't cast a symbolic vote for a party that doesn't care about him or black people in general Condiv fucked around with this message at 09:54 on May 3, 2017 |
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Kilroy posted:Uh remember when you mentioned we should join the DSA? I will vote for the most leftist candidate on the ballot in 2020. Thanks. That's great! Just don't vote for Jill stein again
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May 3, 2017 09:50
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It's okay though. You see... it was a troll vote.
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May 3, 2017 09:52
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Yeah it's pretty funny how half of the leftists here didn't even bother voting in the election and are beating their chests about how the Democrat party needs to listen to them.
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May 3, 2017 09:54
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shrike82 posted:That's great! Just don't vote for Jill stein again
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shrike82 posted:I voted for Abuela not expecting the Sanders voters to blow up the country so good job digging through my post before election day? Oh yes, now it's Bernie's fault that Hillary lost the general. You have really gotten to this point. 
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