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Tunklord Supreme posted:uh what just happened turns out when you absorb the entire Darkhold into your bot brain and then print a new human body and copy it over, you end up a completely loving badass necromancer. e: also fitz getting ready to just start throwing up and not stopping was played perfectly. "I wanted to do those things. It felt natural. I think I'm a bad person now." just made me  for a full minute. It's skin crawling stuff.
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That trailer for next week. "Who is this guy?" "The quick version is, you can go ahead and shoot him."
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May 3, 2017 07:00
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My first thought about AIDA teleporting away is that she had Incepted that group and they're still in the Framework... like Daisy and Simmons are actually out (they're about to be shot down, after all), but the rest are still inside.
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May 3, 2017 07:07
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So, does every season have to have Fitz just become emotionally and mentally devastated at the end? Because we are 3 out of 4 now and I just want the poor guy to finally catch a loving break.
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May 3, 2017 07:10
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ApeHawk posted:So, does every season have to have Fitz just become emotionally and mentally devastated at the end? Because we are 3 out of 4 now and I just want the poor guy to finally catch a loving break. But he does it so well.
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May 3, 2017 07:29
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ApeHawk posted:So, does every season have to have Fitz just become emotionally and mentally devastated at the end? Because we are 3 out of 4 now and I just want the poor guy to finally catch a loving break. They can always bust out the Tahiti equipment.
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May 3, 2017 07:40
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Bruceski posted:But he does it so well. It's like in DS9 - O'Brien must suffer. He's too good at playing that role.
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May 3, 2017 07:45
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"We've got so many beautiful women on this show, we should have a damsel in distress thing for the end of the season." "How about the Scottish guy?" "That works."
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May 3, 2017 07:45
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Boris Galerkin posted:Daisy should have totally lied about Hope and just let it get sorted out later. Yeah this, gosh real shame that your daughter disappeared but you'll get over it. I mean, the framework basically overwrote what a person wanted to do compared to before they went in (most prominently seen in Fitz), so maybe real Mack's thoughts and feelings toward Hope wouldn't be as strong as the Framework Mack who only has memories of a life with her.
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May 3, 2017 08:01
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I get why it would be hard at the time for Daisy to make the right call for Mack, with the confusing reality of the framework, Framework Mack's reasoning and the time pressure, but in the end it was a bad call. Real world Mack would hate to be imprisoned in a world that messed with his mind to keep him happy. He hated the LMDs and the VR ideas, it seems tragic to leave him in there because he feels happy now and because that is his fake self's wish. I kind of think they'll go the "Source Code" way and have the framework-verse persist even when they destroy the stuff that power it from the real world, but that still would be tragic for real-world Mack. Hopefully there'll be a plan to get him out from the real world-side. Which is what I thought would happen (for the most part of this episode anyway) with Fitz's case, and I did appreciate that as a better plan than what Simmons went for, even though that turned out ok in the end.
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May 3, 2017 08:25
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Dracorion posted:It wasn't the same special effect though. Gordon did a forcefield-ish thing when he teleported, whereas Aida's was more Nightcrawler-like. I honest to god shouted "How the gently caress did she bamf?!" when she teleported. Bet she included activated inhuman genes in her new body....or inactive ones, and she just finished terrigenesis when she walked in.
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May 3, 2017 09:11
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NowonSA posted:Yeah this, gosh real shame that your daughter disappeared but you'll get over it. I mean, the framework basically overwrote what a person wanted to do compared to before they went in (most prominently seen in Fitz), so maybe real Mack's thoughts and feelings toward Hope wouldn't be as strong as the Framework Mack who only has memories of a life with her. That's not his daughter. That's the whole thing. We don't know when Hope died but she's dead dead gone and presumably before Aida was able to scan her consciousness. What you see as Hope is nothing more than the idea of Hope from Mack's own memories that were scanned. Radcliffe (and his dead girlfriend) are an entirely different story. They were scanned from real people, so whatever is living and representing them right now are actual memories of the real people who lived up to some point. Hope is just a memory of what Mack remembers and/or hopes for. Daisy totally made the wrong call.
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May 3, 2017 09:49
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This show is goddamn peerless when it hits its highs.
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May 3, 2017 09:58
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Boris Galerkin posted:That's not his daughter. That's the whole thing. We don't know when Hope died but she's dead dead gone and presumably before Aida was able to scan her consciousness. What you see as Hope is nothing more than the idea of Hope from Mack's own memories that were scanned. It's not Hope in that it's not the same person, and maybe the idea of her having a soul is debatable (as people have argued earlier in the thread), but Hope is more than just an idea fashioned from Mack's memories. She's a recreation of the actual Hope inasmuch as everyone else in the Framework is a recreation of a real person. Again, they've explicitly said this in the past--in the ep right before the Framework arc started, they straight up say that the Framework is a duplicate of our world, and that it's populated with the 7 billion people from our world, and the way Aida got doubles of 7 billion people in there is through the magic of the Darkhold. Argue fucked around with this message at 10:06 on May 3, 2017 |
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May 3, 2017 10:04
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What, yeah dude you're daughter is waiting in the real world, she kept asking when her dad was gonna stop playing that dumb-rear end video game, jump in to the portal!
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May 3, 2017 10:10
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Argue posted:It's not Hope in that it's not the same person, and maybe the idea of her having a soul is debatable (as people have argued earlier in the thread), but Hope is more than just an idea fashioned from Mack's memories. She's a recreation of the actual Hope inasmuch as everyone else in the Framework is a recreation of a real person. Again, they've explicitly said this in the past--in the ep right before the Framework arc started, they straight up say that the Framework is a duplicate of our world, and that it's populated with the 7 billion people from our world, and the way Aida got doubles of 7 billion people in there is through the magic of the Darkhold. You need data to recreate a person in the Framework. What data did they have of Hope? Only the memories inside Mack's head. She's not real.
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May 3, 2017 11:01
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Argue posted:It's not Hope in that it's not the same person, and maybe the idea of her having a soul is debatable (as people have argued earlier in the thread), but Hope is more than just an idea fashioned from Mack's memories. She's a recreation of the actual Hope inasmuch as everyone else in the Framework is a recreation of a real person. Again, they've explicitly said this in the past--in the ep right before the Framework arc started, they straight up say that the Framework is a duplicate of our world, and that it's populated with the 7 billion people from our world, and the way Aida got doubles of 7 billion people in there is through the magic of the Darkhold. howd she get ward and trip man i miss those dudes. bring back bill paxton you hack frauds
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May 3, 2017 11:04
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Boris Galerkin posted:You need data to recreate a person in the Framework. What data did they have of Hope? Only the memories inside Mack's head. Literally magic. Again, they explicitly asked how and they just said "magic" (specifically "The Darkhold" followed by Spanish swearing) and don't explain further.
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May 3, 2017 11:13
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Hope isn't a construct of Mac's memories, she's a construct of the collective experience that is the Framework. Memories, interactions, and experiences made her who she is just like they do anyone else. It just happens all of hers are artificial.
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May 3, 2017 11:50
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Uh, if Aida and Radcliffe didn't go off book with this project it would have been great for Mack to have a pseudo-world to peacefully honors his daughter's memory. Honestly, the problem here is that the Framework is kinda really a great idea but someone's always trying to do something evil.
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May 3, 2017 11:52
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Coffee Mugshot posted:Uh, if Aida and Radcliffe didn't go off book with this project it would have been great for Mack to have a pseudo-world to peacefully honors his daughter's memory. Honestly, the problem here is that the Framework is kinda really a great idea but someone's always trying to do something evil. The concept was just an idea before Radcliffe got the Darkhold, literal dark magic made it a reality. I don't think even in be whizbang sci-fi world of SHIELD something that extensive and all-encompassing (and occasionally deadly) would be possible. Pretty sure "if you die in the game you die in real life" was not on his list of features when he planned it.
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May 3, 2017 12:00
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NowonSA posted:Yeah this, gosh real shame that your daughter disappeared but you'll get over it. I mean, the framework basically overwrote what a person wanted to do compared to before they went in (most prominently seen in Fitz), so maybe real Mack's thoughts and feelings toward Hope wouldn't be as strong as the Framework Mack who only has memories of a life with her. You could also make him feel a lot better by giving him first crack at the evil robot. Mack hates him some robots. Argue posted:It's not Hope in that it's not the same person, and maybe the idea of her having a soul is debatable (as people have argued earlier in the thread), but Hope is more than just an idea fashioned from Mack's memories. She's a recreation of the actual Hope inasmuch as everyone else in the Framework is a recreation of a real person. Again, they've explicitly said this in the past--in the ep right before the Framework arc started, they straight up say that the Framework is a duplicate of our world, and that it's populated with the 7 billion people from our world, and the way Aida got doubles of 7 billion people in there is through the magic of the Darkhold. They don't have souls and they aren't real. Remember when Daisy told Jemma not to feel bad about killing Allister because he was a collection of 1s and 0s? And she would know because she's also a
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Bruceski posted:"We've got so many beautiful women on this show, we should have a damsel in distress thing for the end of the season." "How about the Scottish guy?" "That works." I can't lie, this is pretty much my favorite thing about the show.
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May 3, 2017 13:58
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Argh god drat it Daisy you don't tell him the truth. You lie to him, brutally if need be. Tell him Hope needs him in the real world, whatever it takes to get him through that portal. Even if it makes him hate you once he's there. Mack better get out of this alive 
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May 3, 2017 14:25
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Dracorion posted:It wasn't the same special effect though. Gordon did a forcefield-ish thing when he teleported, whereas Aida's was more Nightcrawler-like. Gordon didn't always do the forcefield thing, just when he was dropping in to a dangerous situation. In the flashback to when he'd first changed, when he left after introducing himself to Daisy, and in the fight on the ship where they killed him, his effect looked the same as AIDA's. Edit: and it means Gordon was probably in Fitz's torture chair thing. It was Gordon's powers that led both Shield and Hydra to the Inhumans, so they know how to track him. He might have even been the first.
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May 3, 2017 15:39
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If Mac wants to stay with Hope, let him Bring back Trip instead TRIP IS WAY BETTER 
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May 3, 2017 16:32
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Download Trip into Mack's body. Everyone's happy.
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May 3, 2017 16:35
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Aida probably downloaded all of the files from SHIELD'S mainframe and that's how she knew about all the inhuman stuff.
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May 3, 2017 16:34
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BlueBayou posted:TRIP IS WAY BETTER Trip never had a shotgun axe
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May 3, 2017 16:37
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This better mean we're going to end the season with an epic Ophelia vs Daisy super powered throw-down.
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May 3, 2017 17:19
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Spergatory posted:This better mean we're going to end the season with an epic Ophelia vs Daisy super powered throw-down. Who will be holding the door shut?
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May 3, 2017 17:36
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A Daisy vs Ophelia super-showdown ends when May magdumps into Ophelia's torso.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Who will be holding the door shut?  poo poo who was holding the door in that lovely heroes episode, was it Mohinder? Jusupov fucked around with this message at 17:51 on May 3, 2017 |
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May 3, 2017 17:44
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I've changed my mind. For Ophelia, all roads lead the the Ghost Rider.
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May 3, 2017 17:50
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Good episode.CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Who will be holding the door shut? Neat.
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May 3, 2017 17:56
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OB_Juan posted:I've changed my mind. For Ophelia, all roads lead the the Ghost Rider. Ghost Quake tagteam vs. AIDA. Superior gets chumped by Coulson and May. Bonus points if Mack gets to Shotgun Axe the gently caress out of Aida to finish things.
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May 3, 2017 17:58
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...really? Couldn't knock him out and throw him in or something?
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May 3, 2017 18:08
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Which thing will Aida/Ophelia get Penanced for?
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May 3, 2017 18:11
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hiddenriverninja posted:Which thing will Aida/Ophelia get Penanced for? Just like Eli, stealing material from Hell. And killing people too I suppose.
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Chokes McGee posted:e: also fitz getting ready to just start throwing up and not stopping was played perfectly. "I wanted to do those things. It felt natural. I think I'm a bad person now." just made me Fitz didn't say "I think I'm a bad person now." He said "I think that I'm a bad person", which is more horrifying.
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