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Ohhai
Apr 5, 2011

Zogo posted:

Godzilla vs. Hedorah - Godzilla vs. pollution. 4/20/17

Although it's tempting to force 2016 Hillary's America on you, Godzilla movies will never fail to be amazing.


My Shame Filled List:
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - I love what little of Kubrick's work I've seen but unfortunately I'm way behind the curve.
Gone with the Wind (1939) - I know it's a singing family friendly movie, maybe based around WW2?
Taxi Driver (1976) - My dad's favourite movie, it's got De Niro and seems very much like my sort of thing.
Apocalypse Now (1979) - Bruce Willis in an action role, literally all I know about this is the PS1 game.
King Kong (1933) - King Kong is to the West, what Godzilla is to the East.
Citizen Kane (1941) - I know a lot of film students are forced to watch this, and it's often called the best movie of all time.
Vertigo (1958) - Hitchcock is rad at suspense, and Criterion released this, but I know nothing of the movie.
It's a Wonderful Life (1946) - I literally know nothing about this, but apparently it's well known?
Blade Runner (1982) - Sci-Fi dystopia that I've heard people say won't hold up unless you judge it from the period it's made.
Dirty Harry (1971) - Clint Eastwood, I've never really watched many Westerns at all.

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TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

I love green lists like this and I can't wait for you to watch all these movies because oh man are you gonna laugh at what your expectations were. Welcome to the club, man.

Spatulater bro!
Aug 19, 2003

Punch! Punch! Punch!

Ohhai posted:

My Shame Filled List:
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - I love what little of Kubrick's work I've seen but unfortunately I'm way behind the curve.
Gone with the Wind (1939) - I know it's a singing family friendly movie, maybe based around WW2?
Taxi Driver (1976) - My dad's favourite movie, it's got De Niro and seems very much like my sort of thing.
Apocalypse Now (1979) - Bruce Willis in an action role, literally all I know about this is the PS1 game.
King Kong (1933) - King Kong is to the West, what Godzilla is to the East.
Citizen Kane (1941) - I know a lot of film students are forced to watch this, and it's often called the best movie of all time.
Vertigo (1958) - Hitchcock is rad at suspense, and Criterion released this, but I know nothing of the movie.
It's a Wonderful Life (1946) - I literally know nothing about this, but apparently it's well known?
Blade Runner (1982) - Sci-Fi dystopia that I've heard people say won't hold up unless you judge it from the period it's made.
Dirty Harry (1971) - Clint Eastwood, I've never really watched many Westerns at all.

:aaaaa:

Spatulater bro!
Aug 19, 2003

Punch! Punch! Punch!

TrixRabbi posted:

Welcome to the club, man.

I think you mean: "Welcome to the party pal!" -Apocalypse Now

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Macarius Wrench posted:


6. The Departed. I loved Goodfellas, Casino etc and was told by a friend this was similar.

This might be going off-thread-book here, not an official recommendation, but if you can dig foreign movies, please watch Infernal Affairs (2002) instead sometime. The Departed is a remake of it, and not nearly as good, bungling it up a bit to be honest. Infernal Affairs however is an instant classic.

Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 01:01 on May 4, 2017

married but discreet
May 7, 2005


Taco Defender

Ohhai posted:

Although it's tempting to force 2016 Hillary's America on you, Godzilla movies will never fail to be amazing.


My Shame Filled List:
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - I love what little of Kubrick's work I've seen but unfortunately I'm way behind the curve.
Gone with the Wind (1939) - I know it's a singing family friendly movie, maybe based around WW2?
Taxi Driver (1976) - My dad's favourite movie, it's got De Niro and seems very much like my sort of thing.
Apocalypse Now (1979) - Bruce Willis in an action role, literally all I know about this is the PS1 game.
King Kong (1933) - King Kong is to the West, what Godzilla is to the East.
Citizen Kane (1941) - I know a lot of film students are forced to watch this, and it's often called the best movie of all time.
Vertigo (1958) - Hitchcock is rad at suspense, and Criterion released this, but I know nothing of the movie.
It's a Wonderful Life (1946) - I literally know nothing about this, but apparently it's well known?
Blade Runner (1982) - Sci-Fi dystopia that I've heard people say won't hold up unless you judge it from the period it's made.
Dirty Harry (1971) - Clint Eastwood, I've never really watched many Westerns at all.

This list makes me want to finally get off my rear end and watch Schindler's List just so I get to suggest a movie.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

married but discreet posted:

This list makes me want to finally get off my rear end and watch Schindler's List just so I get to suggest a movie.

That list is like Russian Roulette, maybe with a huge cartoon pistol like that one in Roger Rabbit. Most chambers are just a treat, one of them is Gone With The Wind. Four hours that may kill your inner cinema enthusiast. Is it worth the risk?


Ohhai posted:

Apocalypse Now (1979) - Bruce Willis in an action role, literally all I know about this is the PS1 game.

This may be a good joke, but in case it isn't, just saying that's not a Bruce Willis action movie. It would be great if there was a Bruce Willis action joint reminiscent of that game Apocalypse though. His first action movie was Die Hard (1988), he hadn't hit yet in 79.

Ohhai posted:

Blade Runner (1982) - Sci-Fi dystopia that I've heard people say won't hold up unless you judge it from the period it's made.

It holds up great, me and plenty of others I'm sure first saw it in the 2000s. At least the director's cut or final cut versions.

Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 01:44 on May 4, 2017

BeefSupreme
Sep 14, 2007

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Heavy Metal posted:

This might be going off-thread-book here, not an official recommendation, but if you can dig foreign movies, please watch Infernal Affairs (2002) instead sometime. The Departed is a remake of it, and not nearly as good, bungling it up a bit to be honest. Infernal Affairs however is an instant classic.

I have meant to do this for a while now. I liked the departed, but never got around to seeing Infernal Affairs. I remember there being like 3 of them, right? Do you have to watch all of them? Should you watch all of them? I may have to stick this in my list once I actually watch my movie.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

Heavy Metal posted:

That list is like Russian Roulette, maybe with a huge cartoon pistol like that one in Roger Rabbit. Most chambers are just a treat, one of them is Gone With The Wind. Four hours that may kill your inner cinema enthusiast. Is it worth the risk?

The Departed owns, Gone With the Wind double owns, get the gently caress outta here with this poo poo.

the_tasman_series
Apr 20, 2017

Ohhai posted:

My Shame Filled List:
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - I love what little of Kubrick's work I've seen but unfortunately I'm way behind the curve.

#1 for you! This movie blew my childhood mind. please enjoy it



"Herrrrrrrrrroooooooooiiiiiiinnnnnn."
-Lou Reed

The Panic in Needle Park (1971)


First off, this movie had some dope visuals. The scene in the tiny apartment trap house with the heroin packing where nobody speaks for about five minutes and Bobby/Pacino gets wide-eyed at the mound of stuff was amazing. Another highlight was the bit where all the junkies are huddled on a park bench like vultures, and the scene with the hooker, overdose and bawling child was way more raw than I though this movie was gonna be. and then there was this gem:



which, yeah, the film is about as subtle as a junkie movie needs to be. In that vein: Helen/Winn goes from taking her first hit to hooker in 16 minutes; the extremely constant and extremely unsexy nodding off in public; the puppy that gets got from negligence in the space of two scenes. The movie wasn't great at showing Helen get slowly corrupted, which might've been cool if it got pulled off, but it was very good at showing off the resulting depravity, and very good at showing the relationship fall into dysfunction. The leads make the transition from meet-cute to alienation in a way that's pretty affecting. Pacino in particular is great at being on the one hand a charismatic ham - he works his 5'6" for all it's worth - and later revealing casual cruelty and selfishness.

Also, the depravity's pretty awesome - Winn spends like half the movie in bed prostituting, and when someone's cooking and shooting, the camera follows it like it's porn, complete with the moneyshot of fluid going into arm. Besides the exploitation value, the film was working pretty hard to make a thematic connection between heroin and sex. Which is basically a match made in heaven, because a needle is basically a penis (actually all drug stuff are penises. A crack pipe is a penis. Pills are tiny penises.) and Winn and Pacino really work their "I just got high" O faces. The sex theme goes a little deeper, too - the cop, played by Alan Vint, has no interest in heroin or in sex with Winn, although she offers, and consequently, he gets branded as a homosexual (ex. Winn: "Do you want to ball me?" Vint: "I want Bobby", other ex. Vint:[story about junkie who shot into his dick] Winn: "That pretty much do it for you?" ). In that way, the film connects his suspect/absent sexuality with his dispassion and seeming lack of purpose other than 'bust junkies,' and it all adds up to a guy who's invulnerable and kind of inhuman. Contrast the very heterosexual, vulnerable, and self-interested addicts. And neither set gets validated or satisfied, of course: The cop's a creep and the junkies are hopeless.

I'm a big fan of this movie because it has a lot of things I like in movies coming together. I dearly love gross 1970s New York as setting, I love drug pictures, I'm loving Pacino more with everything I see him in, and what I love more than anything is 'dick' as thematic content. 5/5.



LIST:
1. (Verhoeven Slot) Flesh+Blood (1985): I've heard it's an artfully themed and gritty medieval movie, back when all medieval movies were pretty clean. It sounds very intriguing, but I'm having a hard time locating it without spending any money... Paul Verhoeven's first in English.

2. (Scorsese Slot) Raging Bull (1980): I normally don't go for sports pictures, but I had to make an exception for one named after a ride at Chicago Six Flags.

3. Laura (1944): I don't know what this one's about but the posters for it are s-p-i-c-y

4. Bonnie and Clyde (1967): I've only seen Missouri Breaks from Arthur Penn's filmography and loved it - and this one's more canon, so maybe I'll also love it.

5. To Catch A Thief (1955): I actually have watched this one before, along with another hitchcock one that involves planes(?North by Northwest?) but was too intoxicated to remember very much at all.

6. Seven Samurai (1954): Blatant kurosawa ripoff of a classic western

7. Sunset Boulevard (1950): The netflix preview slideshow of this prominently features the most ambitiously curled hair I've ever seen in my life.

8. Paths of Glory (1957): My dad bought this on DVD but never took it out of the wrapper.

9. The Fury (1978): it's on netflix right now, and I like De Palma.

10. Blow-Up (1966): I've seen Blow Out, so now it's time for...


Irreshameable: Scarface (1983); The King of Comedy (1982); Taxi Driver (1976); Jackie Brown (1997); The Third Man (1949); Escape from New York (1981); Mean Streets (1973); The Panic in Needle Park (1971) (8)

the_tasman_series fucked around with this message at 18:23 on May 4, 2017

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

BeefSupreme posted:

I have meant to do this for a while now. I liked the departed, but never got around to seeing Infernal Affairs. I remember there being like 3 of them, right? Do you have to watch all of them? Should you watch all of them? I may have to stick this in my list once I actually watch my movie.

I'd recommend just the first one, it's a great movie on it's own. But part 2 is a decent movie you may enjoy if you feel like it, it's a prequel with younger actors. Part 3 is skippable I'd say.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

Picking for Tasman again, you get one of the all-time great noirs Sunset Blvd.

Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985)
dir. George Miller & George Ogilvie



What is a Thunderdome? Is it in fact a dome in which two men enter, one man leaves? Is it a netted grate, booby trapped for purposes of mortal combat? Or is it something more, something beyond just a single place. Perhaps this world we live in, where we fight and toil day in and day out for our own survival, perhaps we are always in the Thunderdome.

Anyway, you've sort of got two competing movies going on here, like if the prints of Road Warrior and Hook got mixed up in the editing room. Ultimately in the end the movie works. Gibson is as good as ever as Max, the action is excellent, the final showdown is better directed than most action filmmakers entire careers. But I think there is a tonal disconnect that keeps it from reaching the levels of any other film in the series. A big part of that I chalk up to the godawful, horrendous 80's score. If it's not the bland, Tina Turner synth theme songs it's the family swashbuckling orchestral score. None of it fits the brutality of the wasteland and I would be totally okay with someone going back in to do a new cut that replaces it with some appropriate music. It's the film's biggest liability.

Those complaints aside, the movie is otherwise quite good. The thunderdome sequence itself is very fun and a highlight of the movie. The character development in particular is great, especially with smaller roles like The Master, Pig Killer, and the pilot. I don't know how much Miller and Ogilvie each contributed, but it's the ability to completely form the depth of a character with something as simple as the removal of a helmet (Blaster) that shows up again in Fury Road.

My List:

Nerves (1919) - German expressionist film that looks cool as heck. (Added 5/16/2016)

The Phantom of Liberty (1974) - This is the oldest entry (by date added) on my 400+ film To-Do List. I recently watched Simon of the Desert and before that it had been years since I'd seen a Bunuel. I need to explore him more. (Added 11/26/2016)

Os Deuses e Os Mortos (1970) - "Of Gods and the Undead." A Brazilian film that is reportedly a favorite of Werner Herzog's. (Added 1/8/2017)

The Viking (1928) - An all technicolor silent about Lief Ericsson. I saw a clip in a documentary years ago and I've had it on my To Do list for years. (Added 1/14/2017)

Cairo Station (1958) - Meant to see this ever since I watched The Story of Film and now FilmStruck has a whole bunch of Youssef Chahine available to stream. (Added 3/1/2017)

As I Was Moving Ahead Occasionally I Saw Brief Glimpses of Beauty (2000) - Another 5-hour movie for the list. I caught a bunch of Jonas Mekas stuff, including a screening of Walden with him in person, at a retrospective recently, but I chickened out of spending my entire Saturday in the theater when this one rolled out. (Added 3/7/2017)

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) - Starring the Humphr! If only that guy had a better nickname. (Added 4/19/2017)

Ciao! Manhattan (1972) - Another Warhol star, featuring Edie Sedgwick shortly before she died and released posthumously. (Added 4/23/2017)

Heat (1995) - Pacino! De Niro! ...Kilmer? (Added 5/2/2017)

Tetsuo, the Iron Man (1989) - No RDJ in this one, eh? (Added 5/6/2017)

Watched: Fort Apache; Damnation; Ran; Ordet; Purple Rain; Häxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages; Napoléon; Yi Yi; Faces; The Blood of a Poet; The War Room; Sanjuro; The Testament of Dr. Mabuse; Your Vice is a Locked Room and Only I Have the Key; Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace; Flooding with Love for the Kid; Soylent Green; The Most Dangerous Game; Street Trash; The Avenging Conscience; The Spook Who Sat By the Door; Bringing Up Baby; The Life of Juanita Castro; The Hour of the Furnaces; Au hasard Balthazar; Surname Viet Given Name Nam; Seconds; My Dinner with Andre; The Thin Man; What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?; All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace; The Passion of the Christ; Grand Illusion; Fanny and Alexander; Passages from James Joyce's Finnegans Wake; Starship Troopers; Little Lord Fauntleroy; Last Summer; Total Recall; The Blood of Jesus; I Shot Andy Warhol; Manchester by the Sea; Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (TOTAL: 44)

Dmitri Russkie
Feb 13, 2008

TrixRabbi, Never heard of The Viking before a few weeks ago, and then saw it mentioned like 3 times in the last two weeks. Sounds pretty interesting. That's your next pick.


King Kong. I have to say that I was impressed by this movie. While it's obvious that Kong is a stop motion clay figure, the effects were actually pretty good, especially for 1933. The cinematography was very good and the plot was interesting. The characters were also likable enough.


My List:
The Shootist - Feel like it's time for another John Wayne movie.

The Fast and the Furious- Haven't seen any of these films, and I haven't heard good things about them. I'll give the first one a try, though.

Faust - Looking forward to another Murnau film.

Reds - Don't know much about this movie.

A Day at the Races - More Marx Brothers madness, please.

The Cat Returns - Need to see some more Studio Ghibli. Sequel to Whisper of the Heart

Dodesukaden - Starting to run out of Kurosawa films. What a great director.

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers - This is one of my grandmothers favorite movies. I haven't seen it yet. OLDEST

Labyrinth - Newest

Strangers on a Train - More Hitchcock here.

King Creole - Adding a new slot here for Elvis, Sinatra, Beatles movies. Starting with one of Elvis'.

Movies Seen: Seven Samurai, Dune, Singin' in the Rain, Animal Crackers, Once Upon a Time in the West, Amadeus, Double Indemnity, The Day the Earth Stood Still, 12 Angry Men, Ed Wood, Sunset Boulevard, The Dark Knight, Plan 9 From Outer Space, Brazil, Rashomon, Yojimbo, No Country For Old Men, There Will Be Blood, M, Duck Soup, The Princess and the Frog, Sanjuro, The Hidden Fortress, Dracula, It's a Wonderful Life, Lawrence of Arabia, Ikiru, High and Low, Frankenstein, The Mummy, Monty Python's The Meaning of Life, Kagemusha, Best In Show, Modern Times, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Red Beard, Monty Python's The Life of Brian, Cars, Cool Hand Luke, The Public Enemy, Time Bandits, Adaptation, The Producers, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Gone With The Wind, My Fair Lady, City Lights, A Christmas Carol(1951), Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, West Side Story, Caddyshack, My Neighbor Totoro, Throne of Blood, The Phantom of the Opera, Yellow Submarine, Little Caesar, The Third Man, The Godfather, Persepolis, The Godfather Part II, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, The Invisible Man, The Adventures of Robin Hood, The Bridge on the River Kwai, A Beautiful Mind, The Kid, Fiddler on the Roof, The Gold Rush, Metropolis, Rear Window, Enter the Dragon, Horse Feathers, The Great Dictator, Despicable Me, The Bad Sleep Well, The Wolf Man, Nosferatu, Patton, Howl's Moving Castle, The King and I, The Man Who Knew Too Much, Kiki's Delivery Service, The King's Speech, Grave of the Fireflies, Porco Rosso, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, The Graduate, Whisper of the Heart, The 39 Steps, Ran, Notorious, True Grit, North By Northwest, Rope, Dersu Uzala, Vertigo, Avatar, Gangs of New York, House of Wax, Wall Street, Life of Pi, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari,The Big Lebowski, Dial M for Murder, V For Vendetta, King Kong

Dmitri Russkie fucked around with this message at 19:33 on May 11, 2017

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

Dmitri Russkie posted:

Dodesukaden - Starting to run out of Kurosawa films. What a great director.

Next one for you.



Godzilla vs. Hedorah - Godzilla takes his turn as an environmentalist in yet another unique entry for the series. We start with an introductory song that feels like its out of a Bond film.

Hedorah takes many forms throughout the film. It gains new abilities and strengths as it absorbs more pollution through drinking up oil spills like milkshakes, smoking smokestacks like hookahs and eating cars like snacks. One of its deadliest attacks is through the emission of a sulfuric mist that vaporizes people into skeletons.

Three things are atypical in this film against the rest of the series so far. There's a much stronger focus on the dead bodies rather than the destroyed buildings. Also, the humans aren't completely useless in their militarism as they create a device that helps neutralize Hedorah. Finally, there's a handful of animated sequences.

The battles between the eponymous monsters are long and some of the best in the series. Especially as Hedorah oscillates between its third and fourth form. Its fourth form is gigantic and towers over Godzilla.

Even with the predictable defeat of the latest monster it appears the humans haven't fully learned their lesson. They've just created another stopgap measure rather than dealt with the pollution itself.


Procrastination (248 completed):

#242 The Saragossa Manuscript - I started watching this once and realized it was one of those bastardly DVDs in the incorrect aspect ratio. 11/17/16

#244 On Golden Pond - Henry Fonda's last role. 11/26/16

James Bond versus Godzilla (25/58 completed):

Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Picture (38/40 completed):

2016 Hillary's America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party - Seems to be popular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH8UKb3bsa4 5/3/17

1980 Can't Stop the Music - The one that started it all. 5/3/17

Gene Siskel's Top Films 1969-1998 (28/30 completed):

1981 Ragtime - I'm guessing this will have some piano music. 1/15/17

1978 Straight Time - Haven't heard much about this one. 3/14/17

TCM: The Essentials: 52 Must-See Movies (47/52 completed):

Now, Voyager - A Bette Davis film. 4/1/17

Winchester ’73 - Something about a rifle. 4/7/17

Meet Me in St. Louis - I know Judy Garland is in this one. 4/21/17

new Adam's Rib - Spencer Tracy vs. Katharine Hepburn. 5/11/17

Ohhai
Apr 5, 2011

Zogo posted:

2016 Hillary's America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party - Seems to be popular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH8UKb3bsa4 5/3/17

I tried to warn you, enjoy.


2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)

This movie is very clearly a Kubrick movie, with the beautiful angles, the long build ups, and a lot of unspoken dialog.

I never thought the build up would be this long, the first half of this movie is brutally slow, the ape suits in the very first few scenes are surprisingly bad (Even if I did enjoy them), and I'll admit for the first half of this movie until the intermission I zoned out pretty heavily, but would still appreciate the visuals. Post-intermission the movie becomes truly interested, maintaining the beautiful angles and shots that keeps people coming back to Kubrick, I still found my attention slipping away, I very much enjoyed the dramatic moments that were coming, and I enjoyed the ending (mostly), but in all I don't think I enjoyed the length of the movie, I am glad however I finally understand all the references, and the soundtrack (Which I should mention they used perfectly) is a masterpiece, and it's no wonder so many other movies borrow heavily from it. I don't regret watching this movie at all, and it wasn't without it's great moments, but I don't think I'll be watching it again any time soon.


The Shame Filled List Continues;
Gone with the Wind (1939) - I know it's a singing family friendly movie, maybe based around WW2?
Taxi Driver (1976) - My dad's favourite movie, it's got De Niro and seems very much like my sort of thing.
Apocalypse Now (1979) - Apprently not a movie based on the PS1 game with Bruce Willis.
King Kong (1933) - King Kong is to the West, what Godzilla is to the East.
Citizen Kane (1941) - I know a lot of film students are forced to watch this, and it's often called the best movie of all time.
Vertigo (1958) - Hitchcock is rad at suspense, and Criterion released this, but I know nothing of the movie.
It's a Wonderful Life (1946) - I literally know nothing about this, but apparently it's well known?
Blade Runner (1982) - Sci-Fi dystopia that I've heard people say won't hold up unless you judge it from the period it's made.
Dirty Harry (1971) - Clint Eastwood, I've never really watched many Westerns at all.
Graduate, The (1967) - I looked up this movie once, and proceeded to forget everything about it.

Spatulater bro!
Aug 19, 2003

Punch! Punch! Punch!

One watches 2001: A Space Odyssey the first time simply to get it. All subsequent viewings are to experience it. At least that's how it was for me. I've seen it countless times and it's always the most effective when I resign myself to it completely and just let it wash over me. I recommend giving it a rewatch in a year or so.

Ixtlilton
Mar 10, 2012

How to Draw
by Rube Goldberg

Ohhai, you get to watch Blade Runner because you have a lot of movies I liked on your list, but this one was my favorite.

the_tasman_series gave me Gates of Heaven, which was a very odd but interesting movie. I really enjoyed the first half of it and the contrast between the guy who owns the rendering company and the guys who owned the failed pet cemetery. Their levels of empathy were at such opposite ends of the spectrum that it was pretty astounding. It was kinda cool that the movie didn't have any real voiceover or narrator and just let the people talk a lot. Sometimes it was a bit odd or awkward, especially the later parts of the movie where it was just people talking about their lives I'm not totally sure I understood. Some of the people were a lot more interesting than others, but I really liked how again it just let them talk and tell their own stories and experiences without trying to make them always more interesting. Old lady pet grave drama is both the best and the worst thing to hear about after all, and it was really interesting hearing the people talk about how their dog died of heartworms and how you should always check for that. It really reminded me of how people I've met who lost a child or had a severe debilitating injury from something preventable would talk about it. Those people clearly really loved their dog. The one guy who managed to run his cemetery like a business while still providing the kind of service and compassion that was necessary for the venture was pretty cool too.

I guess at the end of the day I can't say that I really got the whole film, but I'm glad I saw it, and it had a strong emotional core to it even when I couldn't really follow if there was a plot or what they were getting at next sometimes beyond the first 40 minutes. I give it an 80/100, but feel weird giving it a rating at all.




The List of Shame:

Doctor Zhivago: Let's keep this guy's movies coming.

The Dawn Patrol: A movie about fighter pilots in WWI, seems cool to me.

Cool Hand Luke: A cool dude with a good, if expensive, brand of food.

Tokyo Story: A classic I've never gotten around to seeing.

The American Astronaut: Goons in the "I saw a film" thread seem to like this one.

Moonlight: Movie from last year I really want to see.

Princess Mononoko: I feel like this is the only Miyazaki I haven't seen.

Beasts Of No Nation: African child soldiers seem like a good thing to watch a movie about, don't you think?

The Act of Killing: It looks like a very interesting documentary, in case you want me to watch something emotionally charged.

Like Stars on Earth: Found this looking through imdb, could be good!

De-shamed(23): The Thin Red Line(8/10), Casablanca(9/10), Lawrence of Arabia(9.5/10), For a Few Dollars More(7.5/10), Goodfellas (4/10), The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly (7.5/10), Stalker (8/10), Battleship Potemkin (6/10), Starship Troopers (6.5/10), Blade Runner (7.5/10), The Godfather: Part II (9/10), Se7en (7/10), The Boondock Saints (2.5/10), Space Mutiny(MST3k) (8/10), The Bridge on the River Kwai (8.5/10), Enter The Dragon (7.5/10), Rubber(1.5/10), Lost in Translation (5.5/10), A Fistful of Dollars (7/10), One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (8/10), Rosemary's Baby (B-), Dr. Strangelove (92), Gates of Heaven 80/100

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
Consider the montage of pet grave photos, and consider the film's overall montage of interviews, and then consider your own life in the grander scheme of people coming and going.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

Ixtlilton posted:

Ohhai, you get to watch Blade Runner because you have a lot of movies I liked on your list, but this one was my favorite.

Might want to specify that he should probably watch The Final Cut to start. Could do the Director's Cut but whatever version DO NOT START WITH THE THEATRICAL CUT.

Ixtlilton
Mar 10, 2012

How to Draw
by Rube Goldberg

Magic Hate Ball posted:

Consider the montage of pet grave photos, and consider the film's overall montage of interviews, and then consider your own life in the grander scheme of people coming and going.

Yeah, that's a great perspective. It's a kind of morbid slice of life.

TrixRabbi posted:

Might want to specify that he should probably watch The Final Cut to start. Could do the Director's Cut but whatever version DO NOT START WITH THE THEATRICAL CUT.

This too, I've seen the Director's Cut twice so that's a solid one. I've heard bad things about the theatrical cut though, so don't do that.

Wizchine
Sep 17, 2007

Television is the retina
of the mind's eye.

Ixtlilton posted:

Yeah, that's a great perspective. It's a kind of morbid slice of life.


This too, I've seen the Director's Cut twice so that's a solid one. I've heard bad things about the theatrical cut though, so don't do that.

Theatrical Cut is ok if you can't get your hands on anything else - I mean the main difference of the Final Cut compared to the Theatrical Cut is Harrison Ford's voiceover narration is removed, some special effects are cleaned up (the cable lifting the full-size spinner has been removed, for instance), some minor bits of dialogue have been changed, and "that" dream sequence added.

Go for the Final Cut Ohhai, but don't boycott the movie if all you can see is the Theatrical Cut.

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

Ixtlilton posted:

Doctor Zhivago: Let's keep this guy's movies coming.

Try this one next.



Hillary's America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party - Dinesh D'Souza takes a hard look at the disappointing realities concerning the sordid origins of the D party. There's a lot of truth in here but there's also a lot of falsity. Dinesh also dramatizes his prison experience by reenacting being terrified of criminals in prison.

The first major flaw is in its one-sidedness and 100% partisanry. Yes, there were many awful D politicians throughout US history but painting all Ds as KKK loving, slave owning rapists is a little reductive (we're given a scene of Andrew Jackson (founder of the D party) raping slaves over and over in his bed). Likewise, lionizing all Rs as noble saints in all areas of politics is historically bankrupt. There isn't ONE bad word said about an R in this entire film. Even Michael Moore can devote 5-10% of one of his films to voicing his discontent with D party leadership and the evil billionaires running the show.

The film comes from an odd perspective of making the 1800s preeminent compared to modern day events. It's definitely a reminder that the party wants to sweep under the rug the countless failures and disasters of Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. So much omission.

Also, it can't resist putting out that tired convention of turning the founding fathers into demigods. This corniness and schmaltziness may never go away for some. Throw in some scares over Cuba, Russia and Iran etc. Basically it's low-level propaganda to solidify the base AKA candy for the braindead.

It's unintentionally funny at times. We're shown a scene with an enamored Woodrow Wilson chasing after a KKK horseman in total admiration. Also, Ida B. Wells chastises Woodrow Wilson. There's a great scene where Dinesh goes to an HRC meeting and throws a bunch of DNC pamphlets in the trash.

Of course the main target is HRC. We're shown a lot of the Clinton origin stories. Bill Clinton has sex with prostitutes in limos and Hillary condones it etc. Clinton did dirty deals with Russians with Uranium etc. Right now it's interesting how both parties want to paint the other party as doing deals with Russia. Tapping into this Russophobia that many don't care about.

The film exceeds in showing how things have changed in some ways since then. The Republican party supported the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments almost fully while the Ds did not. The D party was the party of slaveholders, against voting rights for non-whites.

Of course Dinesh hates the ACA AKA Obamacare. Things change because in the middle 1990s the Republicans were wanting something very similar to what the ACA ended up being. I recall Mitt Romney had to divest company holdings in 2012 because he stood to make a lot of money through the ACA as well.

So much of the film's criticisms could be volleyed right at Trump as he shares many attributes with the Clinton's. It's so easy to dupe citizens in all countries. Trump was going around saying he was going to lock Hillary up over the e-mails. Yea, right. Donald and Bill are golfing buddies and the Clinton's are members at some of Trump's country clubs. The politically gullible will eat this stuff up though.

TLDR: We live in an oligarchy.


Also watched:

Ragtime - The whole world was just as crazy, dysfunctional and hectic back then. Howard E. Rollins Jr. plays Coalhouse Walker Jr. a piano player who abandons his family. The whole film hinges on one critical point when a bunch of crazy racist firemen block his Ford Model T. This conflict sets off a chain of events causing Coalhouse to turn into Django from Django Unchained. Coalhouse's downfall reminded me of the second half of the film Colour It Yellow AKA Rang De Basanti.

There's a lot of other crazy characters/events I won't mention but the interplay and weaving between them reminded me of the film Short Cuts.

The strong point of Ragtime is that it keeps moving and doesn't give much clue where it'll go next. The film culminates with a library siege. Booker T. Washington makes an appearance and scolds to the terrorists to no avail. He then condemns them to hell.

Earliest appearances I've seen of Samuel L. Jackson and Jeff Daniels. And by far the latest I've seen of James Cagney.


Procrastination (248 completed):

#242 The Saragossa Manuscript - I started watching this once and realized it was one of those bastardly DVDs in the incorrect aspect ratio. 11/17/16

#244 On Golden Pond - Henry Fonda's last role. 11/26/16

James Bond versus Godzilla (25/58 completed):

Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Picture (39/40 completed):

1980 Can't Stop the Music - The one that started it all. 5/3/17

Gene Siskel's Top Films 1969-1998 (29/30 completed):

1978 Straight Time - Haven't heard much about this one. 3/14/17

TCM: The Essentials: 52 Must-See Movies (47/52 completed):

Now, Voyager - A Bette Davis film. 4/1/17

Winchester ’73 - Something about a rifle. 4/7/17

Meet Me in St. Louis - I know Judy Garland is in this one. 4/21/17

Adam's Rib - Spencer Tracy vs. Katharine Hepburn. 5/11/17

new Leave Her to Heaven - Now here's one I haven't heard about. 5/19/17

Yahoo’s 100 Movies To See Before You Die (97/100 completed):

new Raise the Red Lantern - Something concerning 1920s China. 5/19/17

Zogo fucked around with this message at 05:43 on May 20, 2017

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Ixtlilton posted:

Yeah, that's a great perspective. It's a kind of morbid slice of life.

Also consider what happens to the newly dead at Heaven's Gate, and consider the ways that Errol's film almost seems to be asking us to judge these people, and the degree to which we, as people, project a simplified version of ourselves.

Ixtlilton
Mar 10, 2012

How to Draw
by Rube Goldberg

Magic Hate Ball posted:

Also consider what happens to the newly dead at Heaven's Gate, and consider the ways that Errol's film almost seems to be asking us to judge these people, and the degree to which we, as people, project a simplified version of ourselves.

Oh, absolutely. I read Roger Ebert's review of it after I wrote mine and his part about the lady talking about her grandson and it's always a difficult thing to present an honest version of yourself or events or anything without a huge amount of details and even our own processing of our lives can be incomplete, misremembered, or change over time in how we see it. And by what happens do you mean the controversy over them being dug up? I think that the whole subject matter and how the people felt like they should talk about themselves for a camera really does invite us to judge too, moreso than normal social interactions but I think it does highlight how we form opinions of people based on very little information and not knowing what kind of situation or mindset they're in.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Ixtlilton posted:

Oh, absolutely. I read Roger Ebert's review of it after I wrote mine and his part about the lady talking about her grandson and it's always a difficult thing to present an honest version of yourself or events or anything without a huge amount of details and even our own processing of our lives can be incomplete, misremembered, or change over time in how we see it. And by what happens do you mean the controversy over them being dug up? I think that the whole subject matter and how the people felt like they should talk about themselves for a camera really does invite us to judge too, moreso than normal social interactions but I think it does highlight how we form opinions of people based on very little information and not knowing what kind of situation or mindset they're in.

I mean more the actual "pearly gates" idea where your entire life is literally judged by a guy with a big book who's like "hmm no you ate too many cupcakes, sorry".

Ixtlilton
Mar 10, 2012

How to Draw
by Rube Goldberg

Magic Hate Ball posted:

I mean more the actual "pearly gates" idea where your entire life is literally judged by a guy with a big book who's like "hmm no you ate too many cupcakes, sorry".

So more of a corollary to the point of the simplified narrative we give life to make it manageable?

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Ixtlilton posted:

So more of a corollary to the point of the simplified narrative we give life to make it manageable?

Yeah, essentially. My favorite thing about Gates of Heaven is that your judgement of the people in the film is part of the movie. It's so easy to gawk at them, but everyone builds their own life out of their own observations and obsessions.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

Zogo, watch Can't Stop the Music. Then you can finally say you have seen the worst films of our time.

The Viking (1928)
dir. Roy William Neill

The Viking has an odd record to its name. It is the first feature length technicolor film that features a proper sound-on-film soundtrack. Many films prior had been made in color, while only a handful -- The Jazz Singer,White Shadows in the South Sea -- had a soundtrack. But that combination is what made it a film of note, and its those technologies that ultimately define this film.

Early technicolor, primarily made of reds, blues, and greens, brings a beautiful colorblind vision of the world. Its limited palette creates serene images where the sky or the ocean may be vibrant blue, but the faces of the people aboard ships appear a ghostly pale, or a bleat red. We see this at its best in the film during the scenes featuring the father of famous viking Leif Ericson, Eric the Red. A brutish man who murders Christians on sight, Eric the Red is depicted as a brief antagonist in the movie's rather thin plot, but his appearance is unforgettable. His face seems almost entirely gray, while the "Red" of his name radiates through his hair and clothing. This historical figure of anger becomes even more mythical thanks to the limitations of the filmmaking technology.

The Viking's plot, as I said, is rather thin. An English slave is purchased by Helga -- introduced (with Wagner on the soundtrack) as the orphan child from a noble bloodline and largely raised by Leif Ericson, a friend of her father's. Helga clearly wants the slave, constantly giving him suggestive looks in her sensual viking armor (designed to reveal as much cleavage as the censors would allow) that seem more befitting of Hollywood pre-code films that would come a couple years after this. The slave, however, isn't one for being subjugated and challenges the vikings to a fight. He wins a swashbuckling sword duel and earns Leif Ericson's respect, remaining a slave but becoming a more valued member of the crew.

Ericson's crew returns to Greenland where he reveals to his father he has abandoned the Norse mythology for Christianity. This is where the film becomes interesting. It takes on a religious message where Christians are persecuted and murdered. This mundane romance drama becomes a missionary movie, subtly appealing to the morality of the audience and shocking them with the bloody deaths of Good Christians at the hands of "savage" vikings. This newfound identity that emerges late in the movie is the most interesting part, because it's at least an identity.

My List:

Nerves (1919) - German expressionist film that looks cool as heck. (Added 5/16/2016)

The Phantom of Liberty (1974) - This is the oldest entry (by date added) on my 400+ film To-Do List. I recently watched Simon of the Desert and before that it had been years since I'd seen a Bunuel. I need to explore him more. (Added 11/26/2016)

Os Deuses e Os Mortos (1970) - "Of Gods and the Undead." A Brazilian film that is reportedly a favorite of Werner Herzog's. (Added 1/8/2017)

Cairo Station (1958) - Meant to see this ever since I watched The Story of Film and now FilmStruck has a whole bunch of Youssef Chahine available to stream. (Added 3/1/2017)

As I Was Moving Ahead Occasionally I Saw Brief Glimpses of Beauty (2000) - Another 5-hour movie for the list. I caught a bunch of Jonas Mekas stuff, including a screening of Walden with him in person, at a retrospective recently, but I chickened out of spending my entire Saturday in the theater when this one rolled out. (Added 3/7/2017)

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) - Starring the Humphr! If only that guy had a better nickname. (Added 4/19/2017)

Ciao! Manhattan (1972) - Another Warhol star, featuring Edie Sedgwick shortly before she died and released posthumously. (Added 4/23/2017)

Heat (1995) - Pacino! De Niro! ...Kilmer? (Added 5/2/2017)

Tetsuo, the Iron Man (1989) - No RDJ in this one, eh? (Added 5/6/2017)

The Duellists (1977) - This is the Ridley Scott slot. It's the spot for all Scott shots. (Added 5/23/2017)

Watched: Fort Apache; Damnation; Ran; Ordet; Purple Rain; Häxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages; Napoléon; Yi Yi; Faces; The Blood of a Poet; The War Room; Sanjuro; The Testament of Dr. Mabuse; Your Vice is a Locked Room and Only I Have the Key; Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace; Flooding with Love for the Kid; Soylent Green; The Most Dangerous Game; Street Trash; The Avenging Conscience; The Spook Who Sat By the Door; Bringing Up Baby; The Life of Juanita Castro; The Hour of the Furnaces; Au hasard Balthazar; Surname Viet Given Name Nam; Seconds; My Dinner with Andre; The Thin Man; What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?; All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace; The Passion of the Christ; Grand Illusion; Fanny and Alexander; Passages from James Joyce's Finnegans Wake; Starship Troopers; Little Lord Fauntleroy; Last Summer; Total Recall; The Blood of Jesus; I Shot Andy Warhol; Manchester by the Sea; Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome; The Viking (TOTAL: 45)

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

TrixRabbi posted:

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) - Starring the Humphr! If only that guy had a better nickname. (Added 4/19/2017)

Try this one next.



Can't Stop the Music - Basically a Hollywoodized origins story concerning the Village People. Steve Guttenberg plays a manic DJ trying to strike it big as he assembles the group. It has lots of product placement like many other Golden Raspberry winners. Suddenly I have a strong urge for Baskin-Robbins and Dr Pepper.

It shares roller skates and snare drums with its counterpart Xanadu. And it incorrectly predicts the 1980s like that film as well.

The dance and music numbers were all fine and are a highlight of the film. Especially this cameo by The Ritchie Family: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_beG5_n9UbA

However, the story and most other scenes are just silly and not compelling in any fashion. :feelsgood: to finish off the list though.


Also watched:

Straight Time - Max Dembo (Dustin Hoffman) is a criminal just released from prison and we get to observe his struggles to acclimate back to the outside world. He has difficulty finding a job and his overbearing parole officer harasses him in a variety of ways. His volatile temper is his first downfall as he eventually attacks his parole office and turns sharply back into a life of crime.

He's some kind of super criminal as he commits a versatile range of crimes in only a brief period. His second downfall is found in his reckless greediness. He robs banks and jewelry stores and hangs around way too long wanting to grab every single item.

His third and biggest downfall occurs when he murders a buddy (Gary Busey) for botching a bank job. And also drags his new girlfriend into the mess as well.

It reminded me of Thief at times except it was even less glamorized.

That's the end of the Gene Siskel list.


Meet Me in St. Louis - A colorful film with memorable costumes and some hokey singing. It focuses on a few daughters and their worry about becoming spinsters. Judy Garland looks even more like Liza Minnelli in this one. It's set in St. Louis from 1902-1904 so we have some parlor entertainment from a bygone era. The film is divided up by season.

The highlight of the film is a character named "Tootie." It's one of the funniest performances by a young actor I can recall. There's a segment focusing on Halloween night and a bunch of rambunctious kids playing make believe around a bonfire that was a hilarious surprise. I think Spielberg may've been inspired by this scene when he shot parts of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial.

The requisite crisis occurs when the father (who's always at odds with his wife and kids) decides to move the whole family to NYC. Things end up perfectly fine and that's okay as it's movie magic.


Procrastination (248 completed):

#242 The Saragossa Manuscript - I started watching this once and realized it was one of those bastardly DVDs in the incorrect aspect ratio. 11/17/16

#244 On Golden Pond - Henry Fonda's last role. 11/26/16

James Bond versus Godzilla (25/58 completed):

TCM: The Essentials: 52 Must-See Movies (48/52 completed):

Now, Voyager - A Bette Davis film. 4/1/17

Winchester ’73 - Something about a rifle. 4/7/17

Adam's Rib - Spencer Tracy vs. Katharine Hepburn. 5/11/17

Leave Her to Heaven - Now here's one I haven't heard about. 5/19/17

Yahoo’s 100 Movies To See Before You Die (97/100 completed):

Raise the Red Lantern - Something concerning 1920s China. 5/19/17

new Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown - I haven't seen many Pedro Almodóvar films. 5/31/17

new Blow-Up - Something about a photographer. 5/31/17

MTV Movie Award for Movie of the Year (23/26 completed):

new 1999 There's Something About Mary - I forgot to see this one. 5/31/17

Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

Zogo, only film on your list I've seen is Blow-Up and it's one I like a lot so watch that.

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
dir. John Huston

For some reason I thought this was supposed to be something of a proto Indiana Jones styled technicolor adventure film. Maybe it's just The African Queen I'm picturing more. However, it does share certain qualities with another Spielberg film that would come a decade later: Jaws. Tim Holt's character in particular reminds me of Hooper, while Howard the prospector seems to have given just a bit of his character to Quint as the olden expert of a trio of adventurers.

I'm particularly taken aback by the film's grizzliness and its moments of insanity. Bogart is great as a villain, his eyes convey depths of madness and paranoia. The film is marvelously dusty and sweaty.

Sometimes it's the films I'm most impressed by and in love with I find the hardest to break down and discuss. There's a lot to take in after a first viewing here, and I just have to say that it's a marvelous and delirious affair.

Now to wait another 10 days for my next pick I suppose.

My List:

Nerves (1919) - German expressionist film that looks cool as heck. (Added 5/16/2016)

The Phantom of Liberty (1974) - This is the oldest entry (by date added) on my 400+ film To-Do List. I recently watched Simon of the Desert and before that it had been years since I'd seen a Bunuel. I need to explore him more. (Added 11/26/2016)

Os Deuses e Os Mortos (1970) - "Of Gods and the Undead." A Brazilian film that is reportedly a favorite of Werner Herzog's. (Added 1/8/2017)

Cairo Station (1958) - Meant to see this ever since I watched The Story of Film and now FilmStruck has a whole bunch of Youssef Chahine available to stream. (Added 3/1/2017)

As I Was Moving Ahead Occasionally I Saw Brief Glimpses of Beauty (2000) - Another 5-hour movie for the list. I caught a bunch of Jonas Mekas stuff, including a screening of Walden with him in person, at a retrospective recently, but I chickened out of spending my entire Saturday in the theater when this one rolled out. (Added 3/7/2017)

Ciao! Manhattan (1972) - Another Warhol star, featuring Edie Sedgwick shortly before she died and released posthumously. (Added 4/23/2017)

Heat (1995) - Pacino! De Niro! ...Kilmer? (Added 5/2/2017)

Tetsuo, the Iron Man (1989) - No RDJ in this one, eh? (Added 5/6/2017)

The Duellists (1977) - This is the Ridley Scott slot. It's the spot for all Scott shots. (Added 5/23/2017)

The Hitch-Hiker (1953) - A different type of delirium across the border. (Added 6/1/2017)

Watched: Fort Apache; Damnation; Ran; Ordet; Purple Rain; Häxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages; Napoléon; Yi Yi; Faces; The Blood of a Poet; The War Room; Sanjuro; The Testament of Dr. Mabuse; Your Vice is a Locked Room and Only I Have the Key; Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace; Flooding with Love for the Kid; Soylent Green; The Most Dangerous Game; Street Trash; The Avenging Conscience; The Spook Who Sat By the Door; Bringing Up Baby; The Life of Juanita Castro; The Hour of the Furnaces; Au hasard Balthazar; Surname Viet Given Name Nam; Seconds; My Dinner with Andre; The Thin Man; What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?; All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace; The Passion of the Christ; Grand Illusion; Fanny and Alexander; Passages from James Joyce's Finnegans Wake; Starship Troopers; Little Lord Fauntleroy; Last Summer; Total Recall; The Blood of Jesus; I Shot Andy Warhol; Manchester by the Sea; Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome; The Viking; The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (TOTAL: 46)

Dmitri Russkie
Feb 13, 2008

TrixRabbi, never saw any of your movies. See Os Deuses e Os Mortos next. It sounds interested.

Dodesukaden. Nice slice of life movie from Kurosawa. Variety of stories, some more interesting than others. Not one of Kurosawa's best, but very watchable. Nice scenery and acting.

My List:
The Shootist - Feel like it's time for another John Wayne movie.

The Fast and the Furious- Haven't seen any of these films, and I haven't heard good things about them. I'll give the first one a try, though.

Faust - Looking forward to another Murnau film.

Reds - Don't know much about this movie.

A Day at the Races - More Marx Brothers madness, please.

The Cat Returns - Need to see some more Studio Ghibli. Sequel to Whisper of the Heart

Stray Dog - Starting to run out of Kurosawa films. What a great director. NEWEST

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers - This is one of my grandmothers favorite movies. I haven't seen it yet. OLDEST

Labyrinth

Strangers on a Train - More Hitchcock here.

King Creole - Adding a new slot here for Elvis, Sinatra, Beatles movies. Starting with one of Elvis'.

Movies Seen: Seven Samurai, Dune, Singin' in the Rain, Animal Crackers, Once Upon a Time in the West, Amadeus, Double Indemnity, The Day the Earth Stood Still, 12 Angry Men, Ed Wood, Sunset Boulevard, The Dark Knight, Plan 9 From Outer Space, Brazil, Rashomon, Yojimbo, No Country For Old Men, There Will Be Blood, M, Duck Soup, The Princess and the Frog, Sanjuro, The Hidden Fortress, Dracula, It's a Wonderful Life, Lawrence of Arabia, Ikiru, High and Low, Frankenstein, The Mummy, Monty Python's The Meaning of Life, Kagemusha, Best In Show, Modern Times, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Red Beard, Monty Python's The Life of Brian, Cars, Cool Hand Luke, The Public Enemy, Time Bandits, Adaptation, The Producers, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Gone With The Wind, My Fair Lady, City Lights, A Christmas Carol(1951), Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, West Side Story, Caddyshack, My Neighbor Totoro, Throne of Blood, The Phantom of the Opera, Yellow Submarine, Little Caesar, The Third Man, The Godfather, Persepolis, The Godfather Part II, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, The Invisible Man, The Adventures of Robin Hood, The Bridge on the River Kwai, A Beautiful Mind, The Kid, Fiddler on the Roof, The Gold Rush, Metropolis, Rear Window, Enter the Dragon, Horse Feathers, The Great Dictator, Despicable Me, The Bad Sleep Well, The Wolf Man, Nosferatu, Patton, Howl's Moving Castle, The King and I, The Man Who Knew Too Much, Kiki's Delivery Service, The King's Speech, Grave of the Fireflies, Porco Rosso, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, The Graduate, Whisper of the Heart, The 39 Steps, Ran, Notorious, True Grit, North By Northwest, Rope, Dersu Uzala, Vertigo, Avatar, Gangs of New York, House of Wax, Wall Street, Life of Pi, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari,The Big Lebowski, Dial M for Murder, V For Vendetta, King Kong, Dodesukaden

Dmitri Russkie fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Jun 4, 2017

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut
Dmitri, you can watch Labyrinth, starring David Bowie's package.

I had heard of Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer for a while. I think Ebert said he liked it better than Silence of the Lambs. So, I was excited for this one, and I watched it with my wife, who collects serial killer books. Hey, did you hear that people are trying to make a Jeff the Killer movie? Apparently writing lovely internet scare stories is enough to get a movie made if there are a few shocks and a memetic image. That’s about the level Henry was on for me. It wanted to horrify and enthrall, but I spent the runtime somewhere between boredom and disgust. No thanks. There’s a lot of flat exposition delivered in shot/reverse shot with people simply describing their traumatic histories. There’s also a lot of driving around the seedy underbelly of a big city and murdering people. I get the feeling the director watched Taxi Driver many times and tried to imitate it, but he’s no Scorsese (granted, that’s not the worst thing someone’s ever done after watching Taxi Driver). I thought this movie was going to be about getting inside the head of a serial killer and trying to figure out what makes him tick, but there’s not much there. All I got was that Henry occasionally got mad or bored and killed someone, and Otis was a creepy pervert who raped his sister. At that point, I went from being bored to actively repulsed. I’m not offended by the content of the movie, but I am offended by how lazy it was. It used grotesque images and concepts to try to shock the audience, but it was ultimately empty. This is less a portrait of a serial killer than a stick figure drawing of one. Maybe in 1986 that was enough, but after decades of both real and fictional analysis of serial killers, Henry is weak and shallow.

Rating: 1.5/4

116. Boogie Nights- Uh, porn is bad. You shouldn't watch porn, m'kay?

120. The Straight Story- Doug Walker described this as "a movie that seems really slow and tedious until you get to the end, and then you realize everything that happened was for a reason." So that interested me. Also, it's by David Lynch, who ranges from excellent (Mulholland Drive, Twin Peaks Season One) to pretty good (Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks Season Two). No, I've never seen Dune, why do you ask?

124. The Rules of the Game- I opened the They Shoot Pictures list, and this is number five. I've never even heard of it.

132. Five Easy Pieces- Continuing the Ebert list, I somehow skipped over this one.

133. The Stepford Wives- I recently saw Get Out, and I highly recommend it. I've seen a lot of comparisons to The Stepford Wives, and while I basically know what it's about I still think I should see it.

134. The Day the Earth Stood Still- More sci-fi that I need to see.

135. Man with a Movie Camera- Fourth wall? Never heard of it.

136. Forbidden Planet: Shakespeare in Space?

137. Cloud Atlas: Reincarnation and possibly racism? I wanted to see this when it came out, but didn't get a chance.

138. Throne of Blood: Kurosawa's Macbeth. I'm still mad I missed out on the arthouse theater's screening of this.

Okay, tell me what I'm watching!

Shame relieved: The Godfather: 3.5/4, The Godfather Part II: 4/4, Taxi Driver: 4/4, Casablanca: 4/4, Duck Soup: 2/4, Pulp Fiction: 4/4, Barton Fink: 3.5/4, Annie Hall:3/4, Rashomon: 4/4, Blade Runner: 3.5/4, Chinatown: 4/4, Nashville: 3.5/4, Goodfellas: 4/4, The Seven Samurai: 4/4, Superman: 2/4, The Exorcist: 3/4, A Face in the Crowd: 3.5/4, The Seventh Seal: 2.5/4, Treasure of the Sierra Madre: 3.5/4, Apocalypse Now: 4/4, 2001: A Space Odyssey: 2.5/4, The Deer Hunter: 3/4, Schindler's List: 4/4, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari: 3/4, Young Frankenstein: 3.5/4, Yojimbo: 3.5/4, Brazil: 3.5/4, Hamlet: 4/4, The Aviator: 4/4, Rocky: 3.5/4, Gandhi: 3.5/4, City Lights: 4/4, Battleship Potemkin: 3.5/4, Predator: 3/4, Easy Rider: 1.5/4, Platoon: 3.5/4, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: 4/4, Get Carter: 3.5/4, Full Metal Jacket: 4/4, My Dinner with Andre: 4/4, Lethal Weapon: 3/4, 3 Women: 4/4, Ikiru: 4/4, The Maltese Falcon: 2.5/4, Midnight Cowboy: 3/4, Gattaca: 4/4, Gone with the Wind: 3/4, Jaws: 4/4, The Bicycle Thief: 3/4, Sophie's Choice: 2/4, On the Waterfront: 4/4, North by Northwest: 3.5/4, Stagecoach: 3.5/4, E.T.: 2/4, Nosferatu: 4/4, Lawrence of Arabia: 4/4, Dirty Harry: 1/4, Vertigo: 3.5/4, Rebecca: 4/4, The Pink Panther: 3/4, Children of Men: 4/4, Wings of Desire: 3/4, Metropolis: 3.5/4, Born on the Fourth of July: 4/4, The Bridge on the River Kwai: 3.5/4, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: 4/4, Being John Malkovich: 3/4, Adaptation: 4/4, Bonnie and Clyde: 4/4, Goldfinger: 3/4, A Streetcar Named Desire: 4/4, Dog Day Afternoon: 3.5/4, Leon: The Professional: 4/4, 8 1/2: 3/4, Mulholland Drive: 4/4, 12 Angry Men: 4/4, Safety Last: 3.5/4, Dogville: 4/4, The Rapture: 2/4, Blue Velvet: 3/4, Irreversible: 4/4, Airplane!: 3.5/4, Tokyo Story: 2.5/4, Big Trouble in Little China: 3.5/4, American Psycho: 3.5/4, Dr. Zhivago: 3/4, Leaving Las Vegas:4/4, The Bourne Identity: 4/4, Out of Africa: 3/4, The Usual Suspects: 3/4, Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang: 4/4, Rain Man: 3.5/4, The Lost Weekend: 3.5/4, Ratatouille: 3/4, City of God: 4/4, Ed Wood: 4/4, Top Gun: 2.5/4, Trois Couleurs: Bleu: 3.5/4, The Hidden Fortess: 3/4, First Blood: 4/4, The Ten Commandments:3.5/4, Patton: 3.5/4, The Bourne Supremacy:3.5/4, King Lear (1983): 2.5/4, Repo Man: 2.5/4, King Kong: 3.5/4, Wall Street: 3/4, The Blues Brothers: 2/4, Trois Couleurs: Blanc: 2.5/4, Trois Couleurs: Rouge: 3.5/4, Animal House: 1.5/4, Ben-Hur: 3.5/4, Gojira: 4/4, Sunset Boulevard: 3.5/4, Falling Down: 4/4, The Night of the Hunter: 3.5/4, Ran: 4/4, The Battle of Algiers: 4/4, Z: 3/4, The Great Escape: 2.5/4, Cries and Whispers: 4/4, Enchanted: 3.5/4, Judgment at Nuremberg: 4/4, Cool Hand Luke:3/4, Scenes from a Marriage: 4/4, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956): 4/4, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978): 3.5/4, The Bourne Ultimatum: 3.5/4, F for Fake: 4/4, Spartacus: 4/4, I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang: 4/4, Sunrise: 3.5/4, Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer: 1.5/4

friendo55
Jun 28, 2008

Looking to make an exception here, as I've yet to watch The Watchmen that was chosen for me (because I've haven't finished reading the comic first), but I have watched 3 others from my list in the meantime.
Apparently making time to read as I'm about to fall asleep is a bad idea? So I'll finish that, watch the movie and report back. But in the meantime, I'd like to keep the ball rolling.


Jurgan posted:

137. Cloud Atlas: Reincarnation and possibly racism? I wanted to see this when it came out, but didn't get a chance.

Curious of your take on it, as this one ranges from "masterpiece" to "abysmal" .. Enjoy!


It Should Happen To You!
I will say, it was quite strange to see "and introducing.. Jack Lemmon" in the opening credits, but this was indeed his debut role in 1954. Here, he plays a documentary filmmaker Pete Sheppard who meets a down-on-her-luck aspiring actress Gladys Glover (Judy Holliday). He falls for her - renting an apartment on the same floor as hers - but she's got wild dreams of fame & fortune in mind. I'd say this was a movie ahead of it's time as Gladys is "famous for being famous" in a much (much) more innocent way that Paris Hilton & Kim Kardashian are famous today. Holliday is great here as the wide-eyed innocent beauty who gets in over her head.. I loved the touches of fantasy sprinkled into the early sequences, instantly creating a fun tone and magical quality. Lemmon is so charming & instantly likable here and shows right out the gate he's due for big things. (I've also recently watched him in other 50s films Cowboy and Fire Down Below - both underappreciated and are well worth seeing)


I Killed My Mother
This is Xavier Dolan's debut directorial feature from 2009 - writing, directing and starring at just 19 years old. For those who have watched his Grand Jury Prize winning film Mommy, this first film is sort of a building block for that. It features a similar story with a troubled youth Hubert (played by Dolan himself) and sometimes equally troubled mother, and it features the same two female leads in Anne Dorval as his mother, and Suzanne Clement here as the teacher who tiptoes over the line of her intended educator role. It's a great film in it's own right, but impossible to not compare it to Mommy - I wonder how this would've been viewed had I watched this first. I guess the same could be applied to Mommy - would I love that as much if I saw this going in? Ultimately, both are without question worth seeing, but Mommy is the superior film of the two.


Bringing Up Baby
This was 102 minutes of non... stop... hilarity. You couldn't afford to blink in case you missed something! Cary Grant as the museum professor David Huxley (with not too much street-smarts) and Katharine Hepburn as the insistent & captivating Susan Vance keep your eyes glued to the screen with no idea where the film is going minute-by-minute. The screenplay by Dudley Nichols & Hagar Wilde is nothing short of extraordinary, and I have no idea how they pulled all that together for it to work. Nichols is also responsible for writing a wide range of films including Stagecoach, Scarlet Street, The Big Sky, and The Bells of St Mary's, whereas Hagar has written The Male War Bride and a Fred Astaire/ Ginger Rogers film Carefree. This doesn't quite add up to how they wrote this bonkers of a screenplay, but however it got done, this thing is incredible. I'm mad it took me so long to watch it!




LIST

Avanti! - **NEW** (2017.06.07) - keeping a Lemmon film on here with another Wilder collaboration.

Broadcast News [1987] - (2017.04.24) - I've heard nothing but great things, plus I just realized Jack Nicholson is in this.

Cactus Flower [1969] - (2017.04.28) - more Walter Matthau, and with Ingrid Bergman!

The Conformist - **NEW** (2017.06.07) - one of the more acclaimed Italian films I've been meaning to see for years.

Happiness [1998] - (2017.04.16) - not a 'shameful' choice, but more I won't watch it unless I put it here. And I've heard a lot about it.

Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte [1964] - (2017.04.09) - replacing an early Bette Davis film with a later one

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - **NEW** (2017.06.07) - John Ford, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart... the epitome of shame.

Rome, Open City [1945] - **OLDEST** (2017.02.20) - Rossellini's War Trilogy has been sitting unwatched for too long.. this is the 1st in the trilogy.

Russian Ark [2002] - (2017.03.16) - A film I've always wanted to (& should) watch but it never becomes a high priority

Watchmen [2009] - (2017.04.07) - the comic & the film, as I wanted to read the comic before the film since back in '09!



De-shamed Pt2: True Romance (4/5), The Right Stuff (3/5), Syndromes And A Century (4/5), Still Life (3/5), My Cousin Vinny (2.5/5), Doctor Zhivago (3.5/5), The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (4.5/5), Peeping Tom (4/5), Shadow of a Doubt (4.5/5), The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (4.5/5), Only Angels Have Wings (4/5), Umberto D (4/5), Anatomy of a Murder (4.5/5), Only God Forgives (1.5/5), Missing (3.5/5), Howl's Moving Castle (4.5/5), Rio Bravo (4/5), Cloud Atlas (3.5/5), Children of Paradise (4/5), That Obscure Object of Desire (5/5), The Fountain (3/5), Malcolm X (4/5), Warrior (4/5), American Movie (4/5), Being There (4/5), Leaving Las Vegas (4.5/5), Rope (4/5), Ed Wood (4.5/5), American Hustle (2.5/5), The Man Who Knew Too Much (3.5/5), Mister Roberts (4/5), Charley Varrick (4/5), A Face in the Crowd (4.5/5), Farewell My Concubine (3.5/5), Slacker (3.5/5), Drugstore Cowboy (4.5/5), Love and Death (3.5/5), Fantastic Mr. Fox (4.5/5), A Scanner Darkly (4/5), Marketa Lazarova (5/5), A Clockwork Orange (4.5/5), The Fly (5/5), Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (5/5), King Kong (5/5), Gilda (3.5/5), Airplane! (4/5), Nobody Knows (4.5/5), Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (4.5/5), Dark Victory (3.5/5), Dead Man (4.5/5), Shane (4/5), Fail-Safe (4.5/5), It Should Happen To You! (4/5), I Killed My Mother (4/5), Bringing Up Baby (5/5), [Total:155]

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug
friendo55, watch Happiness. Only one of yours I've seen, and it stuck with me.

the_tasman_series gave me Borat, which was just completely and absolutely not my poo poo. I think that knowing what I was in for ruined the shock, and so I was left watching somebody acting like a sexist racist jackass (at other peoples expense) for 80 minutes. This has aged unbelievably badly and ended up just being boring, which is the worst thing a comedy can be. Literally zero laughs.

Overall grade::jerkbag: with a side of :geno: and :itwaspoo:

Memories of a Murder [2003] - Came on my radar from some podcast, looks interesting.
Beasts of No Nation [2015] - whoo boy. Big fan of the director, but just never in the mood for a little child-soldiering.
The Brothers Bloom [2008] - Liked looper, loved brick, interested to see how this goes.
12 years a Slave [2013] - a cheery movie to lift my spirits
The Hateful Eight [2015] - from tarantino's oldest to his latest
Badlands [1973] - people seem to think Terrence Malick is cool and someone described this as his 'most accessible'. I'm all about that
Perfect Blue [1997] - nani?!?
Killer Joe [2011] - alright alright alright
Cave of Forgotten Dreams [2010] - It's not something I'd ever watch without prompting, but I've heard a lot about hetzog and I'm kind of interested in the cave paintings so :shrug:
Moon[2009] - I remember people talking this up at the time and I like good scifi.

seen: Reservoir Dogs :) Fargo :swoon: Annie Hall :swoon: Chinatown :smith: Casino :) Nightcrawler :stare: Spotlight :) 12 Angry Men :) Superbad :haw: Borat :jerkbag:

the_tasman_series
Apr 20, 2017

awesmoe posted:

The Hateful Eight [2015] - from tarantino's oldest to his latest

Let me take another shot, awesmoe. This one's a lot of fun.


Sunset Boulevard (1950):

TrixRabbi gave me this, and I really loved it!

My knee-jerk reaction to art about artists in pain is rolling my eyes. Likewise for movies about hollywood. Because of that, I thought I was going to dislike Sunset Boulevard from the get-go. Fortunately, lead William Holden/ Joe Gillis was way too charismatic to dislike. Towards the end of the movie, he pulls a couple of cruel moves on both of his romantic interests, which makes him strangely petty in a way I didn't expect, and kinda clashed with his underdog charisma. I don't think I've seen anything quite like it before, so that was cool.

Also, this movie has style. I approve.


LIST:
1. (Verhoeven Slot) Flesh+Blood (1985): I've heard it's an artfully themed and gritty medieval movie, back when all medieval movies were pretty clean. It sounds very intriguing, but I'm having a hard time locating it without spending any money... Paul Verhoeven's first in English.

2. (Scorsese Slot) Raging Bull (1980): I normally don't go for sports pictures, but I had to make an exception for one named after a ride at Chicago Six Flags.

3. Laura (1944): I don't know what this one's about but the posters for it are s-p-i-c-y

4. Bonnie and Clyde (1967): I've only seen Missouri Breaks from Arthur Penn's filmography and loved it - and this one's more canon, so maybe I'll also love it.

5. To Catch A Thief (1955): I actually have watched this one before, along with another hitchcock one that involves planes(?North by Northwest?) but was too intoxicated to remember very much at all.

6. Seven Samurai (1954): Blatant kurosawa ripoff of a classic western

7. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982): I love DS9 & the next generation but I haven't seen much of the original star trek or its movies. Time to get cultured.

8. Paths of Glory (1957): My dad bought this on DVD but never took it out of the wrapper.

9. The Fury (1978): it's on netflix right now, and I like De Palma.

10. Blow-Up (1966): I've seen Blow Out, so now it's time for...


Irreshameable: Scarface (1983); The King of Comedy (1982); Taxi Driver (1976); Jackie Brown (1997); The Third Man (1949); Escape from New York (1981); Mean Streets (1973); The Panic in Needle Park (1971); Sunset Boulevard (1950) (9)

friendo55
Jun 28, 2008

the_tasman_series posted:

2. (Scorsese Slot) Raging Bull (1980): I normally don't go for sports pictures, but I had to make an exception for one named after a ride at Chicago Six Flags.

This is one of those canon picks that needs to get rectified! Enjoy.


Happiness
To think I've heard all these years how sick and twisted and uncomfortable it's going to make you feel.... and I still wasn't ready for it. I think what really makes this all so uncomfortable, is how it's framed in this normal typical story of intertwining characters and relationship problems - complete (in a small touch) with the standard musical lead-ins you'd find in a sitcom or standard drama - and then throw in the types of subject matter & visuals that aren't entertaining or engaging in any way. Thanks for that, Todd Solondz, but it's not for me.




LIST

Avanti! [1972] - (2017.06.07) - keeping a Lemmon film on here with another Wilder collaboration.

Broadcast News [1987] - (2017.04.24) - I've heard nothing but great things, plus I just realized Jack Nicholson is in this.

Cactus Flower [1969] - (2017.04.28) - more Walter Matthau, and with Ingrid Bergman!

The Conformist[1970] - (2017.06.07) - one of the more acclaimed Italian films I've been meaning to see for years.

Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte [1964] - (2017.04.09) - replacing an early Bette Davis film with a later one

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance [1962] - (2017.06.07) - John Ford, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart... the epitome of shame.

A Matter of Life & Death [1946] - **NEW** (2017.06.12) - replaced "Happiness" with an apparently more pleasant & charming selection.

Rome, Open City [1945] - **OLDEST** (2017.02.20) - Rossellini's War Trilogy has been sitting unwatched for too long.. this is the 1st in the trilogy.

Russian Ark [2002] - (2017.03.16) - A film I've always wanted to (& should) watch but it never becomes a high priority

Watchmen [2009] - (2017.04.07) - the comic & the film, as I wanted to read the comic before the film since back in '09!



De-shamed Pt2: True Romance (4/5), The Right Stuff (3/5), Syndromes And A Century (4/5), Still Life (3/5), My Cousin Vinny (2.5/5), Doctor Zhivago (3.5/5), The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (4.5/5), Peeping Tom (4/5), Shadow of a Doubt (4.5/5), The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (4.5/5), Only Angels Have Wings (4/5), Umberto D (4/5), Anatomy of a Murder (4.5/5), Only God Forgives (1.5/5), Missing (3.5/5), Howl's Moving Castle (4.5/5), Rio Bravo (4/5), Cloud Atlas (3.5/5), Children of Paradise (4/5), That Obscure Object of Desire (5/5), The Fountain (3/5), Malcolm X (4/5), Warrior (4/5), American Movie (4/5), Being There (4/5), Leaving Las Vegas (4.5/5), Rope (4/5), Ed Wood (4.5/5), American Hustle (2.5/5), The Man Who Knew Too Much (3.5/5), Mister Roberts (4/5), Charley Varrick (4/5), A Face in the Crowd (4.5/5), Farewell My Concubine (3.5/5), Slacker (3.5/5), Drugstore Cowboy (4.5/5), Love and Death (3.5/5), Fantastic Mr. Fox (4.5/5), A Scanner Darkly (4/5), Marketa Lazarova (5/5), A Clockwork Orange (4.5/5), The Fly (5/5), Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (5/5), King Kong (5/5), Gilda (3.5/5), Airplane! (4/5), Nobody Knows (4.5/5), Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (4.5/5), Dark Victory (3.5/5), Dead Man (4.5/5), Shane (4/5), Fail-Safe (4.5/5), It Should Happen To You! (4/5), I Killed My Mother (4/5), Bringing Up Baby (5/5), Happiness (1/5), [Total:156]

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

friendo55 posted:

Happiness
To think I've heard all these years how sick and twisted and uncomfortable it's going to make you feel.... and I still wasn't ready for it. I think what really makes this all so uncomfortable, is how it's framed in this normal typical story of intertwining characters and relationship problems - complete (in a small touch) with the standard musical lead-ins you'd find in a sitcom or standard drama - and then throw in the types of subject matter & visuals that aren't entertaining or engaging in any way. Thanks for that, Todd Solondz, but it's not for me.

Oh come on you had to at least be laughing during the sandwich scene

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

friendo55 posted:

Happiness
To think I've heard all these years how sick and twisted and uncomfortable it's going to make you feel.... and I still wasn't ready for it. I think what really makes this all so uncomfortable, is how it's framed in this normal typical story of intertwining characters and relationship problems - complete (in a small touch) with the standard musical lead-ins you'd find in a sitcom or standard drama - and then throw in the types of subject matter & visuals that aren't entertaining or engaging in any way. Thanks for that, Todd Solondz, but it's not for me.
yessss when I say it stuck with me this is exactly what i mean. I watched it going in completely blind. Boy howdy.

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friendo55
Jun 28, 2008

awesmoe posted:

yessss when I say it stuck with me this is exactly what i mean. I watched it going in completely blind. Boy howdy.

Boy howdy is all you need to say, yes.

Yea I mean I tried to be as vague as possible for people who haven't watched it... but there are some redeeming story arcs & characters I was invested in - Jane Adams' performance & Cynthia Stevenson as the two very different sisters were the standout. But yea, it wasn't so much the material itself, but how it was presented. It made these dark and perverse situations feel normal and ordinary - which I think was the point?

Magic Hate Ball, there's black comedies..... and then there's this. It just went to places I wasn't expecting - that scene, along with the final bedroom conversation with Billy. This, along with 2011's Killer Joe, and to a lesser degree World's Greatest Dad, where the story reaches such levels and keeps that camera rolling in a cruel manner, that it goes too far. I think of Sion Sono and his two films Love Exposure and Why Don't You Play in Hell? - where it goes to pretty crazy places with a bizarre narrative, but has a comic tone and charm to it all that he balances well.

I couldn't imagine sitting down to watch something like Salo or The Human Centipede... I guess I know my own limits.

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